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Title: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Wong on May 19, 2023, 01:19:53 am
DHO802 70MHz/2 channels/1.25Gsa/25Mpts/12bit     1999Yuan($284)
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Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 01:36:37 am
DHO802 70MHz/2 channels/1.25Gsa/25Mpts/12bit     1999Yuan($284)
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Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: TurboTom on May 19, 2023, 01:37:58 am
Here it is...interesting, modern 12 Bit replacement for the DS1000Z series!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 02:13:27 am
Here it is...interesting, modern 12 Bit replacement for the DS1000Z series!

With MSO option, too! (and HDMI output)

I wonder what the difference is between these and the DHO1000...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Someone on May 19, 2023, 02:13:44 am
USB Type-C power, commodity battery options!
.... more users floating their scope  >:(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tautech on May 19, 2023, 02:43:51 am
Here it is...interesting, modern 12 Bit replacement for the DS1000Z series!
:-//
And you call that IDE LA header modern ?  :o
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 02:45:06 am
Looks like the 9-series is the MSO and the 8-series is the DSO:

https://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654999.html (https://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654999.html)

https://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654932.html (https://www.chem17.com/product/detail/37654932.html)

They claim one million waveforms/sec.  :popcorn:

4-channel, 70Mhz, 1.25GS/sec. 800-series for $325 USD in China (presumably hackable to 100MHz).
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Wong on May 19, 2023, 03:22:12 am
https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO800 (https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO800)
https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO900 (https://www.rigol.com/products/detail/DHO900)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 03:40:19 am
Looks like it's slim and has external power supply (USB-C):

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1786637;image)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: pope on May 19, 2023, 06:20:05 am
So, is it black or white?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 08:42:39 am
So, is it black or white?

Look at the pics...

800 series = white.
900 series = black.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: pope on May 19, 2023, 08:56:50 am
If only they weren't so ugly...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on May 19, 2023, 09:58:20 am
And you call that IDE LA header modern ?  :o

Given a 1024x600 dots 7" touchscreen, hdmi output and 12 bit native resolution, the LA header should cause the least headaches for the competition. ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 10:23:10 am
And you call that IDE LA header modern ?  :o

You won't see it when the probes are connected.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: pascal_sweden on May 19, 2023, 10:42:20 am
First there was DSO and MSO.

Now there is DHO.

I guess the H stands for High resolution! :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 10:42:34 am
If only they weren't so ugly...

I don't get the fashion for black devices and dark themes but the white one looks OK to me.

Lucky I didn't pull the trigger on a DHO1000 yet ... let's see how this thing shapes up. :)

Similarities:
UI looks the same
Front panel controls look the same (but reorganized)
Sensitivity and number of bits is the same (it's the same chipset...)
FFT specs are the same (1mpts)
It has remote web interface.

Differences I can see so far:
Less bandwidth/sample rate
Less memory
Screen is smaller
External power supply

I could live with that, especially at half the price. Let's hope they haven't tried to dumb-down the firmware out of spite.

I ran the datasheet though google translate and attached it below.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: pascal_sweden on May 19, 2023, 10:43:06 am
External power supply is not a good idea! It sucks actually!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 10:46:08 am
First there was DSO and MSO.

Now there is DHO.

I guess the H stands for High resolution! :)

It used to be "HDO" (High Definition Oscilloscope) but they switched to "DHO" because LeCroy (https://www.teledynelecroy.com/oscilloscope/hdo.aspx) has trademarks.

(at least, that's what's been going around...)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 10:48:01 am
External power supply is not a good idea! It sucks actually!

Why? It makes it much slimmer.

My Micsig has an external supply and it's not a problem. At least they used a standard so there's no problem replacing it if it breaks.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Someone on May 19, 2023, 10:50:55 am
DHO802 70MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥1999 (285 USD)
DHO804 70MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2299 (330 USD)
DHO812 100MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2599 (370 USD)
DHO814 100MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥2999 (430 USD)
DHO914 125MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥3999 (570 USD)
DHO914S 125MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥4999 (715 USD)
DHO924 250MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥4999 (715 USD)
DHO924S 250MHz 4x 1.25GSa/s 50Mpts ¥5999 (855 USD)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gitm on May 19, 2023, 11:25:37 am
Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 11:26:50 am
DHO802 70MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥1999 (285 USD)

We live in interesting times.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on May 19, 2023, 11:30:46 am
Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?

No.
it is 1.25 GS/s divided per number of channels used. Single ADC. so 1.25G/ 625M/ 312,5M for 1, 2 and 3/4 ch respectively.. 
Also memory is same. 25Mpts and 50Mpts divided by 4.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gitm on May 19, 2023, 11:34:27 am
DHO802 70MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥1999 (285 USD)

We live in interesting times.

Yes we do.  I paid $1200 for a Tek TDS1012 2x 1GS/s 100MHz back in 2000. :-BROKE
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gitm on May 19, 2023, 11:44:44 am
Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?

For $285???

(no)

I don't read Chinese and also don't like to assume.  Whatever happened to "no such thing as a stupid question"? 
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Njk on May 19, 2023, 12:05:54 pm
Looks very interesting.

The IDC connector is a good thing. Easy to replace in case. But the big selling point is USB-C. What's the advantage of that in T&M equipment (other than "Apple philosophy")? I remember my old Tek scope had special compartment for Ni-Cd battery. Very convenient and no need for fancy connectors of the mobile phone type.

It's two times faster, so more heat will be generated inside even more constrained enclosure (and the TMDS transmitter part will contribute for sure). The laws of nature are difficult to bend. It must be of very sophisticated technology to last long.

Consider DS1054. XX years in production. Still a backlog of not fixed defects in the software. How long it will take for the new model to reach the same maturity? I wonder if I'll be alive at that time...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: jjoonathan on May 19, 2023, 03:25:32 pm
The writing is on the wall: USB-C will replace barrel connectors + wall warts.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: MathWizard on May 19, 2023, 04:06:08 pm
Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?

No.
it is 1.25 GS/s divided per number of channels used. Single ADC. so 1.25G/ 625M/ 312,5M for 1, 2 and 3/4 ch respectively.. 
Also memory is same. 25Mpts and 50Mpts divided by 4.
So according to the datasheet, the HDO4000 series is also only 1 ADC, with 500MS/s for 4ch. They look nice too, but like the SDS2000HD series, they are too pricey to justify, for my hobby use.

If I didn't have any scope, these DHO800/900 or SDS1000HD series would be a great starting point.

Unless I want to do more of a side grade, I guess for now, I'm looking at getting a MSO5000 or SDS200Xplus series
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on May 19, 2023, 04:47:55 pm
nice size comparison
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on May 19, 2023, 05:07:42 pm
Is that 1.25GS/s per channel simultaneously?

No.
it is 1.25 GS/s divided per number of channels used. Single ADC. so 1.25G/ 625M/ 312,5M for 1, 2 and 3/4 ch respectively.. 
Also memory is same. 25Mpts and 50Mpts divided by 4.
So according to the datasheet, the HDO4000 series is also only 1 ADC, with 500MS/s for 4ch. They look nice too, but like the SDS2000HD series, they are too pricey to justify, for my hobby use.

If I didn't have any scope, these DHO800/900 or SDS1000HD series would be a great starting point.

Unless I want to do more of a side grade, I guess for now, I'm looking at getting a MSO5000 or SDS200Xplus series
SDS2000X Plus did not stop being great scope by arrival of new 12 bit series. MSO5000 is also great value for the money with different focus.

Rigol is very aggressive with new models..
Looks like very eclectic choice of features... 800 is simplest, but 900 has more features and higher BW than 1000 despite having lower sample rate and small screen. .. Kinda weird choices without clear model gamut layout..

And also, they need to actually finish to production level FW for any of these...

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mawyatt on May 19, 2023, 06:02:48 pm
And also, they need to actually finish to production level FW for any of these...

That's the one thing that has kept us from acquiring any Rigol instruments.

They seem to do a good job with the hardware, sometimes a really good job like these new 12 bit scopes with custom chip-sets, but don't seem to have quality firmware with loads of bugs, many of which should have caught well before release, and few and far between updates!!

We've been enticed by these new 12 bit DSOs and followed the development, and folks finding the host of bugs and such, with little efforts from Rigol for serious firmware updates, apparently they released well before any serious in-house test and evaluation performed.

Maybe this is there business model, develop good hardware platforms and employ early adopters as development product debuggers, saves in house engineering, test and evaluation costs, then only provide updates when they've collected enough information from the field users and dedicate some in house resources to fix the major shortcomings identified by their end users. Then they pass some of this $ saving on to the customer with a lower MRSP, sounds a lot like the much lower tier OEM "cheap type equipment" business model, and classic short term management, ship early as soon as it's kinda working, put $ in your pockets now, only fix stuff when absolutely necessary as it takes way from the present bottom line!

However, Rigol did, or paid a consulting group, to develop a custom 12 bit ADC chip set, so this hints at some long term thinking as why would anyone with short term mentality take on an expensive, long term, and difficult task as such??

Apparently this custom chip set is pretty good, so hats off to them for this effort!! Now if they can just replicate this effort with the firmware development and post sales support updates, they would have an outstanding product!!

Having quality & supported products from Rigol, Siglent and GW Instek, which seem to be the top middle tier OEMs, benefits all of us as these OEMs via for a sustained future and growth, and push each other for better future products!! So we're just "hoping" that Rigol's business model is not what we described above, eventually we would all suffer from this!!

Anyway, just rambling, had too many cups of coffee, need to dilute such with some brews ;D

Best,
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 19, 2023, 08:08:49 pm
And also, they need to actually finish to production level FW for any of these...

At least we know now what the engineers have been working on since the HDO1000 was launched. Maybe we'll se an update to go with this new launch.

IIRC from the other thread there were no showstopper bugs left in the HDO1000/HDO4000 after the last update, just a bunch of minor things.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on May 19, 2023, 08:25:35 pm
Rather the opposite, most of the listed fixes (there are not so many) in the description of the new firmware, I had not even noticed when I had a rigol to test, rather other... ;)
But that doesn't matter for now, the models aren't even on the Western market yet, so a lot of good things may or may not happen until then.
Either way, the two models will cause a stir on the "500$ market", any bet.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Anthocyanina on May 20, 2023, 02:15:46 am
does anyone else think rigol's designs have become uglier with each release? the front panel button shape, their layout, and alignment are so incredibly ugly and inconsistent, like they gave each section of the front panel to a different team, and those teams gave each button to a different person, and none of them talked to each other and just mashed everything together at the end  :scared: and even the BNC hexagon thing, on the 1000z the hexagons were nicely rounded on top and bottom and the channel markings also looked nicer, but now it's all sharp angles seemingly picked at random for everything in the front panel. the white ones don't look as bad as the black ones for some reason, maybe lower contrast between all the ugly edges makes them blend in with the background?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on May 20, 2023, 08:02:54 am
And also, they need to actually finish to production level FW for any of these...

At least we know now what the engineers have been working on since the HDO1000 was launched. Maybe we'll se an update to go with this new launch.

IIRC from the other thread there were no showstopper bugs left in the HDO1000/HDO4000 after the last update, just a bunch of minor things.

Yes they have been working on many new products that doesn't work out of the box...
It is shame really because they have some promising stuff..

As for no real bugs.. You are kidding.. They are not even feature complete yet.. FFT misses half parameters for instance...

I hope they are done releasing now and put some real work to bring software to prod quality..

It is good for us to have more good choices...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Old Printer on May 20, 2023, 12:05:07 pm
Release the hardware and start the ROI flowing, then let the hungry users spot the bugs for them. Their MO is not hard to spot, it’s been that way at least since the 1054Z was released and we fell over ourselves scooping them up which in the long run seemed to work out for everyone. Think of what we have on our bench’s for under $500, now even $350. Hard to complain.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 20, 2023, 02:02:36 pm
Release the hardware and start the ROI flowing, then let the hungry users spot the bugs for them. Their MO is not hard to spot

In this case I think it was more that the bean counters wanted the HDO1000/HDO4000 out in November for the Xmas market.

Now it turns out they had this in the pipeline, too.

Some people will see this as a massive upgrade to the DS1054Z. Others will only ever see that the FFT could have some more parameters.

Is the bottle half empty or half full?  :-//

Me? For $350 I'd say it's three-quarters full and grab me a glass.

Hopefully they'll have time to work on the firmware a bit now. I can't imagine they have any more models up their sleeves in the next few months and they should have the new chipset mastered by now.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nikki Smith on May 24, 2023, 10:58:52 am
Very interested in one of these. I've been looking to upgrade to a 4-channel 'scope, but wanted to wait for something in my price bracket with a modern chipset that (hopefully) is more responsive than the classics.

I contacted Rigol EU and they say their European website will have these new models for pre-order next month (mid-June) with delivery in September.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: CosteC on May 24, 2023, 12:06:19 pm
DHO802 70MHz 2x 1.25GSa/s 25Mpts ¥1999 (285 USD)

We live in interesting times.

Yes we do.  I paid $1200 for a Tek TDS1012 2x 1GS/s 100MHz back in 2000. :-BROKE
I will risk statement we live in best times for measurement equipment for the masses.

Around 2010 Tek MSO2024B was piece of good stuff for 7000$ I think... 4x200 MHz 4x1GSps 4x1MS memory... Today I prefer DS1054Z unless I need 200 MHz... MSO2024B is so irritating to use, awful display, so little automatic measurements... Low noise however.

I think we have also TDS1024 from 2008 in work. I aged poorly.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on May 30, 2023, 06:07:35 am
I was looking through the DHO900/800 pages and realized that both series can be powered by a power bank using the USB-C port. If this is correct it will be interesting to understand what autonomy it will have with an acceptable power bank size.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 30, 2023, 08:10:42 am
I was looking through the DHO900/800 pages and realized that both series can be powered by a power bank using the USB-C port.

Rigol's web page says "The Type-C power supply interface design only needs a mobile power supply to supply power to DHO800, making field testing possible."

The datasheet for the 800 series says: "36 W max. (with each interface, USB stick, active probe connected)"

So... about an hour at max current draw on a suitable 10000 mAh powerbank. Maybe 90 minutes with normal probes and no USB sticks.  :-//
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on May 30, 2023, 08:15:20 am
The datasheet for the 900 series says: 48W max.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on June 17, 2023, 07:47:41 am
The video is nothing great, but it shows that something is moving.  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3TQEZPm9kQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3TQEZPm9kQ)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on July 26, 2023, 08:53:07 pm
DHO900 series have a internal awg and offer  bode plot - nice.
But the greater 1000/4000 models not - Can´t understand their model policy.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on August 23, 2023, 02:05:01 pm
Official launch date for Europe September 8th 2023. Shipments start end of September.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 23, 2023, 02:26:17 pm
Hmm, I think I'll buy one, just for curiosity  8)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on August 23, 2023, 02:52:39 pm
The writing is on the wall: USB-C will replace barrel connectors + wall warts.
Except judging from the video, in this case it seems to be instead of, rather than as well as an internal AC PSU. Yet another exernal brick.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 23, 2023, 04:22:14 pm
The writing is on the wall: USB-C will replace barrel connectors + wall warts.
Except judging from the video, in this case it seems to be instead of, rather than as well as an internal AC PSU. Yet another exernal brick.
You can make a monolithic device with a simple dab of glue.  :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 24, 2023, 02:07:55 am
Official launch date for Europe September 8th 2023. Shipments start end of September.

Two weeks!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Dacian on August 24, 2023, 03:49:23 am
I'm quite interested in this for the fact that is a low cost 12bit scope and it has an external power supply that I will not need since my house is powered with 2V DC so I can just add an efficient DC-DC converter. It is also quite small so will not take much space in my small lab.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Grandchuck on August 24, 2023, 11:30:42 pm
I cancelled my order for the DHO924S.  Ordered on 8/22 and it was expected to ship on 9/8 but today the shipping was delayed to 10/20.   :(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 25, 2023, 11:04:17 am
Official launch date for Europe September 8th 2023. Shipments start end of September.

Will you be selling them?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 25, 2023, 11:49:33 am
I cancelled my order for the DHO924S.  Ordered on 8/22 and it was expected to ship on 9/8 but today the shipping was delayed to 10/20.   :(

I would have canceled this only when I can get it safely somewhere else earlier.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on August 25, 2023, 12:07:20 pm
Official launch date for Europe September 8th 2023. Shipments start end of September.

Will you be selling them?
Simone is from Batterfly, so probably yes.

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/blog-posts/rigol-dho900-dho800-launch-domestic-market (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/blog-posts/rigol-dho900-dho800-launch-domestic-market)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 25, 2023, 02:57:25 pm
Will you be selling them?
Simone is from Batterfly, so probably yes.

I know who he is...

I'm asking because nobody can sell the DHO1000 directly, it can only be bought through rigol.eu.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on August 26, 2023, 10:42:33 pm
Yes we will have them. Hopefully end of September.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Grandchuck on August 28, 2023, 07:43:24 pm
I cancelled my order for the DHO924S.  Ordered on 8/22 and it was expected to ship on 9/8 but today the shipping was delayed to 10/20.   :(
Order is active again.  Seems that there was some communication error or misunderstanding between Rigol China and the US distributor.  The units will be available September 8 (according to an email just received from Rigol China). :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 28, 2023, 07:56:15 pm
Rigol.eu have now listed the DHO800/900.
Price for the DHO804 : 399€...
https://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes/112.html (https://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes/112.html)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on August 28, 2023, 09:03:25 pm
Rigol.eu have now listed the DHO800/900.
Price for the DHO804 : 399€...
And € 299 for the DHO802
It seems they read this forum (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5019118/#msg5019118)  :-+  :-DD
Is this VAT included?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 28, 2023, 09:12:13 pm
No, list-prices are mostly excl. VAT because they can differ from country to country.
But OK, 399 plus 19% are 475€  - Still super cheap...
(Nobody really wants a 2-ch scope..)

If it´s avaible, I´ll buy one and compare it to SDS1104X-E and DS1054Z.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on August 28, 2023, 10:20:37 pm
It seems they read this forum (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5019118/#msg5019118)  :-+  :-DD

Rigol do indeed read this forum  ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 28, 2023, 11:09:57 pm
No, list-prices are mostly excl. VAT because they can differ from country to country.
But OK, 399 plus 19% are 475€  - Still super cheap...

I'm VAT registered so I'll get one for list price.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: flano on August 30, 2023, 09:48:37 am
Received an email from John South at Emona Australia today with pricing on their website.

https://emona.com.au/DHO800-900 (https://emona.com.au/DHO800-900)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on August 30, 2023, 04:58:38 pm
Yes we will have them. Hopefully end of September.
We have them online now.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 30, 2023, 09:10:03 pm
The prices for the interesting models* :

DHO 804 :

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho804 (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho804)

DHO 914S :

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho914s (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho914s)

(* = Higher bandwith you´ll hack, not buy. 2-channels only versions none should be interested in. S-model because of the inbuild gen/bode function)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nx-1997 on August 30, 2023, 09:12:47 pm
The DHO804 will be a perfect scope to pair with a MSO5K. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on August 30, 2023, 11:58:55 pm
Received an email from John South at Emona Australia today with pricing on their website.
https://emona.com.au/DHO800-900 (https://emona.com.au/DHO800-900)

That's US$427 for the bottom of the range unit, US$485 for the base 4CH at current exchange rate, nice.

So AU$749 for the 70MHz 4CH DHO800 vs AU$649 for the 50MHz 4CH DS1054Z. No brainer!

Surely this absolutely kills the DS1054Z?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mwb1100 on August 31, 2023, 12:47:01 am
Surely this absolutely kills the DS1054Z?

I'd think that only the most price sensitive informed buyer would still go for the DS1054z.  It might push Siglent to reduce price on the SDS1104X-E or offer a long running ("permanent"?) promotion for it.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on August 31, 2023, 03:06:03 am
Surely this absolutely kills the DS1054Z?

They're still selling the DS1052E for nearly as mush as the DS1054Z. Go figure!

(and it's at #7 on Batronix, ahead of any Siglents...)

https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/DSO.html (https://www.batronix.com/shop/oscilloscopes/DSO.html)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mortymore on August 31, 2023, 08:17:20 am
I guess that the DS1052E is still selling for it's simplicity, with a target market for those who begin to learn to use an oscilloscscope.

Not having advanced functions and much to mess with, may be and advantage there.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on August 31, 2023, 08:18:39 am
(Nobody really wants a 2-ch scope..)

2-channels only versions none should be interested in.

Many people buy 2-channel oscilloscopes, why do you think it is different with the DHO800?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 08:41:15 am
Sooner or later, but one day for sure, you will regret not having spent the few bucks more for 4 channels back then.
Believe me.  ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on August 31, 2023, 09:01:06 am
Sooner or later, but one day for sure, you will regret not having spent the few bucks more for 4 channels back then.
Believe me.  ;)

This is your opinion and your advice. Thank you for that!

But that does not answer my question.
You say "2-channels only versions none should be interested in."
I don't know the sales figures, but if I take a quick look at Reichelt, for example, I see an offering of 93 2-channel and 55 4-channel oscilloscopes.
Why would they offer so many 2-channel oscilloscopes if nobody is interested in them?
My question was actually: why do you think that the 2-channel models particularly of the DHO800 are of no interest to anyone?
Because of the relatively small price difference?
Or how did you mean that? After all, you say that in two posts.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tv84 on August 31, 2023, 09:37:16 am
Why would they offer so many 2-channel oscilloscopes if nobody is interested in them?

 ::) I guess you answered your own question.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tszaboo on August 31, 2023, 11:50:36 am
The prices for the interesting models* :

DHO 804 :

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho804 (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho804)

DHO 914S :

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho914s (https://www.batterfly.com/shop/de/rigol-dho914s)

(* = Higher bandwith you´ll hack, not buy. 2-channels only versions none should be interested in. S-model because of the inbuild gen/bode function)
Once you go with the 4 channel version with digital capability, add the logic probe we are at 1000 EUR again.
The Scope alone, DHO914S is 700 EUR ex VAT, the MSO5074 is 900 EUR, the logic probe is 300 EUR so the total difference is 20%. The actual difference between these two is huge. Maybe the AWG can be hacked. They really should work on the price of the logic probe, for sure it shouldn't cost the same as a scope. This makes it uninteresting IMHO.
The DHO804 is a good price though if that's all someone needs.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: zrq on August 31, 2023, 01:31:00 pm
Maybe a DHO914 non S is a better deal if the signal generator is hackable (is it?).
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on August 31, 2023, 01:54:24 pm
Got a lowest price guarantee from Batronix.
Will order a DHO924S.
And  I already have the LA-probe, so this going to be fun.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on August 31, 2023, 02:26:00 pm
Why would they offer so many 2-channel oscilloscopes if nobody is interested in them?

 ::) I guess you answered your own question.

How? Can you explain?

My question is not so difficult after all.
Martin72 said that no one was interested in the 2-channel version of the DHO800 and I asked why.
I understand that Martin72 is not interested in the 2-channel version, but why does he say that "nobody" is interested?
Is there a specific reason for this regarding the DHO800?
I believe that more 2Ch than 4Ch oscilloscopes are sold in general, so I would like to understand why Martin72 says this regarding the DHO800.

I really don't want to argue, I just don't understand.  :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on August 31, 2023, 03:01:39 pm
Maybe a DHO914 non S is a better deal if the signal generator is hackable (is it?).
DHO914 and DHO924 are without AWG output connector
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: trp806mo on August 31, 2023, 03:06:20 pm
I would more ask myself if I need a 2 or 4 inputs for my scope without bother me with what the others are using. But from my (little) experience I had never seen a 2 inputs scope in all the labs i've seen and for my personal use I have 2 scopes because i don't have even some time enough inputs (checking power supplies of the modern boards which have multiple power rails, checking buses, ...)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on August 31, 2023, 03:45:23 pm
Hopefully we will have one unit to test in our office on September the 11th.
In the meanwhile I found this video, it's in Chinese but it easy to follow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etg9NuaU-vU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etg9NuaU-vU)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on August 31, 2023, 07:34:14 pm
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I believe that more 2Ch than 4Ch oscilloscopes are sold in general, so I would like to understand why Martin72 says this regarding the DHO800.

DHO800 because it is the most affordable scope series among rigol's new 12-bit models.
And of these, the DHO802 is the cheapest because it has only two channels.
The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.
And I think that saved at the wrong end, because as I said, there will be a day when you realize that you now need more than 2 channels - and then you do not have them.
And if you then can not get around it, you have to take money in hand again and buy a 4-channel, because you had saved "then" 120 €.
And yes, this is really just my personal opinion, even if somewhat missionary presented. ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: NE666 on August 31, 2023, 08:09:35 pm
I find the addition of both the 800 and 900 series models to be an 'interesting' decision.

It feels to me as if the mixed signal capability was wished for by the product manager for the DHO1000 and DHO4000 series but wasn't possible to deliver within the timescale slated for their release, hence it was pushed down in the backlog, to be implemented as a feature for the later 900 series.  Amongst other things, the cost of additional LA probes becomes less disproportionate set in the context of the price points of these models.  The 10" displays on the DHO1000/4000 also seem more suited to this, rather than the much smaller 7", lower resolution displays used in these 'portable' form factor units.  At least, if you're someone whose workflow doesn't generally have other PC-based instruments up and running in parallel.

Speaking for myself, I'd much rather have seen the LA capability in the DHO1000 and had no DHO900 series.  The DHO800 series could have had more memory (at the same entry price), and the sig gen as an option.

However, as another member has previously said, I look forward to being able to complement my MSO5000 "daily digital driver hot hatch" with a more sedate yet elegant drive for the weekend in analogue country.  The entry price for the DHO800 is very interesting, and entirely in a welcome way.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2023, 12:12:57 am
Just got mine.
I'll shoot a quick unboxing video and put it as an exclusive video on my website.
It's the smallest scope box I've ever gotten!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 01, 2023, 07:10:17 am
DHO800 because it is the most affordable scope series among rigol's new 12-bit models.
And of these, the DHO802 is the cheapest because it has only two channels.
The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.
And I think that saved at the wrong end, because as I said, there will be a day when you realize that you now need more than 2 channels - and then you do not have them.
And if you then can not get around it, you have to take money in hand again and buy a 4-channel, because you had saved "then" 120 €.
And yes, this is really just my personal opinion, even if somewhat missionary presented. ;)

Thank you for your honest answer, now I understand you.

Yes, "more" is often better... and more expensive.
Why not the DHO924S with 250Mhz with AWG?

It's also a question of where you are looking at it from.
I almost ordered a Hantek. Last week there was a promotion for the 100MHz DSO2C10 for CHF 130.-  :palm:

But I thought: No, then I'd rather wait for the cheapest DHO800.
From that point of view, I think you would agree with me?  ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2023, 08:46:06 am
The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.

US$60 difference between 2CH and 4CH according to my pricing from the Rigol website
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2023, 08:48:02 am
I find the addition of both the 800 and 900 series models to be an 'interesting' decision.
It feels to me as if the mixed signal capability was wished for by the product manager for the DHO1000 and DHO4000 series but wasn't possible to deliver within the timescale slated for their release, hence it was pushed down in the backlog, to be implemented as a feature for the later 900 series.

Yes, fascinating decision, and may very well be what you deccribe.

Quote
Speaking for myself, I'd much rather have seen the LA capability in the DHO1000 and had no DHO900 series.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 01, 2023, 09:40:40 am
The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.

US$60 difference between 2CH and 4CH according to my pricing from the Rigol website

I took the prices from the batterfly side, including VAT
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on September 01, 2023, 09:48:35 am
I wonder if they've connected the USB-C ground to mains earth - would be sensible if they have.
Maybe the supplied 4mm ground lead is just for when running on batteries.

Pity they didn't use a right-angle USB-C plug, as the current one looks like it stops it lying flat. Also a bit of a shame they didn't take teh opportunity to use the rear mouding to provide some support for the plug. Let's just hope the USBC socket is on a sub-board to make it easy to replace.
Would also have been nice to have the facility to screw/clip the PSU to the back, though should't be hard to make something that fixes to the VESA screws
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tv84 on September 01, 2023, 10:20:28 am
Would also have been nice to have the facility to screw/clip the PSU to the back, though should't be hard to make something that fixes to the VESA screws

Doesn't that bring shielding problems?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mortymore on September 01, 2023, 10:32:00 am
Would also have been nice to have the facility to screw/clip the PSU to the back, though should't be hard to make something that fixes to the VESA screws

Doesn't that bring shielding problems?

It shouldn't. After all the PSU is usually inside the scope.
Maybe Dave can do some testing on this regard in the review video
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tv84 on September 01, 2023, 10:58:17 am
After all the PSU is usually inside the scope.

The ones designed and shielded to be...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: switchabl on September 01, 2023, 03:21:10 pm
The difference is only about 120€ between 2 and 4 channels, nevertheless there will be people who want to save and will buy the two-channel.
And I think that saved at the wrong end, because as I said, there will be a day when you realize that you now need more than 2 channels - and then you do not have them.

In something like a classroom setting, the use-cases are usually limited and more or less known in advance. Plus you are probably buying 10-20 oscilloscopes at a time, so the savings are more significant.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 01, 2023, 07:07:38 pm
Now also in the batronix shop:

https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rigol-DHO804.html (https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rigol-DHO804.html)

What I didn´t recognized so far:
The memory drops down to only 1Mpt/each when all four channels are active...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Serg65536 on September 01, 2023, 07:28:24 pm
For those who missed the unboxing by Dave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpnwP0M0QMs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpnwP0M0QMs)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 01, 2023, 07:54:01 pm
Now also in the batronix shop:

https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rigol-DHO804.html (https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rigol-DHO804.html)

What I didn´t recognized so far:
The memory drops down to only 1Mpt/each when all four channels are active...

DHO900 says 10 Mpts , maybe it is an error ?
This is exactly my point that people shouldn't make conclusions before things get fully releases and actually tested.
Also it is 1mV/div, 500uV/div is software zoom...
Simplistic math (single operation per math but you can cascade them, similar to rtb2000)

Unboxing videos are pretty much useless.
 "..it so cute.." is hardly a thing  that is important in choosing a scope.

It is a big step forward for Rigol no matter. Except crippled memory if all channels enabled if it is true. That one is hard fail.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Serg65536 on September 01, 2023, 08:00:14 pm
It is a big step forward for Rigol no matter. Except crippled memory if all channels enabled. That one is hard fail.
It's possible to unlock full memory (like in DHO900) and more than 400 MHz bandwidth (calculated from rize time).
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 01, 2023, 08:07:01 pm
It is a big step forward for Rigol no matter. Except crippled memory if all channels enabled. That one is hard fail.
It's possible to unlock full memory (like in DHO900) and more than 400 MHz bandwidth (calculated from rize time).

Rise time calculation according to what type of filter?
BW can be measured accurately only with signal generator.

400MHz ? Give my regards to Nyquist...
It makes for a decent 4ch 100MHz scope.. All above is pushing your luck..

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 01, 2023, 08:16:09 pm
DHO900 says 10 Mpts , maybe it is an error ?

DHO900 got 50Mpts/10Mpts for one channel/all four, DHO 25 for one - I´ve expected  about 5 Mpts when all channels are active.
Strange thing, but not the only one...


Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: sebyon on September 02, 2023, 06:02:33 am
Wow this thing is tiny.

Honestly considering the price point of the thing, VISA mounts and USB-C power, it would make a killer office scope.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: derree on September 02, 2023, 07:21:06 pm
It's definitely a nice entry level scope, but for someone not needing the 12-bit vertical resolution or the portability it's quite expensive compared to the old king siglent sds1104x-e. Close to 600 Euros for the DHO814 in germany... possible hackability to a higher bandwidth not accounted for of course. Apart from the 12-bit ADC and the portability the siglent still has a higher bandwidth, dual ADC with 500 Ms/s for all 4 channels active, 7 megapoints per channel with all 4 channels active...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 02, 2023, 07:27:59 pm
Maybe Dave can do some testing on this regard in the review video

Would also be interesting to see noise levels with/without the ground connector.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mortymore on September 02, 2023, 08:49:28 pm
It's definitely a nice entry level scope, but for someone not needing the 12-bit vertical resolution or the portability it's quite expensive compared to the old king siglent sds1104x-e. Close to 600 Euros for the DHO814 in germany... possible hackability to a higher bandwidth not accounted for of course. Apart from the 12-bit ADC and the portability the siglent still has a higher bandwidth, dual ADC with 500 gs/s for all 4 channels active, 7 megapoints per channel with all 4 channels active...

The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

PS: They could have done the same with the SDS2104X plus  ::)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tautech on September 02, 2023, 09:05:12 pm
They could have done the same with the SDS2104X plus  ::)
You missed it, last year for 3 mths IIRC, $999
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 02, 2023, 09:42:42 pm
The prices vary quite a bit.
At Batronix the DHO802 costs € 349 net (instead of € 299) and at Batterfly there is the 4-channel DHO804 for € 387 net.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 02, 2023, 09:59:01 pm
I would find it more interesting to see who can deliver first.
Batterfly says October, Batronix in 2-4 weeks.

Quote
The prices vary quite a bit.

In the case of Batronix I wouldn't worry too much, they have a best price guarantee(Which is not quite correct from the designation.
If you find it cheaper elsewhere, you can get the same price.).
I'm still deciding whether to buy an 804 regular or try to borrow it, as I did with the DHO4204.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mortymore on September 02, 2023, 10:00:20 pm
I'm waiting to see  how the SDS1000X HD goes into the mix   ;D
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 02, 2023, 10:10:16 pm
This is intended more as a competitor to the DHO1000.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 02, 2023, 10:31:18 pm
In the case of Batronix I wouldn't worry too much, they have a best price guarantee(Which is not quite correct from the designation.
If you find it cheaper elsewhere, you can get the same price.).
I'm still deciding whether to buy an 804 regular or try to borrow it, as I did with the DHO4204.

I am still waiting for the prices from Reichelt or Conrad etc..
They have prices in CHF for goods already imported to Switzerland.
With Batronix or Batterfly I have to import myself by swiss post. This is always associated with some uncertainty, if the declaration is not correct, etc..
So we all have our different problems...  ;)

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 09:27:04 am
On Aliexpress you can buy the DHO814 for CHF 413.28 (net, delivery included).
According to my calculation, that would be a total of CHF 476.- (approx. € 498 / $ 538) after postal customs clearance.
That doesn't sound too bad.

Has anyone had bad experiences with such China imports?
There is not even a specification of mains voltage or plug type on the product page.
What about if problems arise (warranty etc.)?
Hopeless?

So far I have only ordered equipment in a price range where I didn't care about warranty etc, so I have no idea.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Shonky on September 03, 2023, 09:45:30 am
Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

I see about $A810+GST delivered to AU for the 814. I would expect the local pricing to not be miles off that with the support and protections you'd expect.

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 10:04:11 am
Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

Thank you, I had already thought so.
On the other hand, Batter Fly (Italy) or Batronix (Germany) are also abroad for us.
No idea if this is really better in case of warranty?

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

The taxes are included in the calculation above (€ 498).
That is the amazing thing.
The price including Swiss taxes and shipping is about the same as the EU net catalog price of € 499.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 03, 2023, 10:49:34 am
Above Eu300, I only do business with a reputable seller.
If you ask a quote at batronix, you get a lowest price guarantee.
Be wise, be safe order there.


So far I have only ordered equipment in a price range where I didn't care about warranty etc, so I have no idea.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 03, 2023, 10:50:38 am
Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

Thank you, I had already thought so.
On the other hand, Batter Fly (Italy) or Batronix (Germany) are also abroad for us.
No idea if this is really better in case of warranty?

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

The taxes are included in the calculation above (€ 498).
That is the amazing thing.
The price including Swiss taxes and shipping is about the same as the EU net catalog price of € 499.

Don't buy early release equipment from China without warranty. Just don't do it.
If you want my opinion, I don't buy ANY early release equipment even from local source with full warranty and support.

I just have no taste or patience for the fact that these days many products are basically released completely unfinished and take a year or more to actually catch up with what was promissed the product will do. Even big western manufacturers do it (R&S for numerous products in last few years, for instance). Rigol is doing it very much in last few years and especially for this new series of 12 bit scopes.

Some people will consciously accept that they bought something that "will work in future". Good for them. But at least buy from Rigol in EU. Or preferably in Switzerland. If you think it is the same as getting it from China, it is not.

You know what is the difference ? :

If you buy from local vendor in EU, the will guarantee for period of few years that PRODUCT will FUNCTION properly.

If  you import privately form China, they will guarantee they delivered the BOX with some goods in it, that number of products was correct, not obviously damaged in transport and that when you switch it on after receiving it, something will come up and it will show no obvious defects that can be seen.
If after two months you realize that it overheats or fan starts buzzing, or whatever else, you are out of luck.

My personal limit for such "cat in a bag" purchases is 50€.
500€ scope ? Not a chance.

But that is me. OTOH,  some people like gambling....

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Aldo22 on September 03, 2023, 11:02:29 am
Yes, thank you both!
You are probably right.

Right now I'm just looking at prices anyway and thinking a bit about which one to order later from which store, if any.
I'm also not sure if the (normal) surcharge for the 100MHz version is justified for me.

For now, I'm eagerly reading the eevblog to learn if the device is any good.  ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 03, 2023, 11:04:36 am
Has anyone had bad experiences with such China imports?
What about if problems arise (warranty etc.)?

You'll be screwed over any warranty claim.

You might also get one of those crappy power supplies mentioned earlier.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: .RC. on September 03, 2023, 11:22:12 am
The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

 
DHO814 AU$879 +tax     
SDS1104X-E AU$630 +tax

I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels, and the 814 two ADC's shared between 2.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 03, 2023, 11:46:34 am
The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.
At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

Yeah, but it's almost apples to oranges. The Rigol is 12 bits, touch screen, etc.
[/quote]

 
I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels.

Almost certainly.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Dacian on September 03, 2023, 04:36:42 pm
I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels, and the 814 two ADC's shared between 2.

I think both 804 and 814 will only have a single ADC at least according with this spec from aliexpress where I ordered the the 804 yesterday
The one strange thing is the memory for dual and quad channel just 1Mpts when all 4 channels are used.
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/A426d330da9364c11a5413da60abda6d8C.png)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 03, 2023, 06:22:23 pm
Rigol DHO4000 series have two ADCs, all others only one.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 03, 2023, 08:20:18 pm
The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.
At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

Yeah, but it's almost apples to oranges. The Rigol is 12 bits, touch screen, etc.

Yes and SDS1000X-E will have some capabilites SHO800 does not..
Tool for the job..
 
I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels.

Correct.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 04, 2023, 10:50:35 am
Batronix expects the DHO 804 to be available in October.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Warhawk on September 04, 2023, 11:00:49 am
This is really an interesting series. I was considering Siglent's 2000 series (no HD) for the bode plot that I frequently have use for. Now I could do it for half the price with 12b resolution. That's interesting. Still, I give it a couple of months. I am sure Siglent will sooner or later take an action.
My ds1074z does the job, for now.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 04, 2023, 11:10:14 am
I ordered the DHO924S:
Order date: 31.08.2023
Availability: available in 4 weeks

Batronix expects the DHO 804 to be available in October.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 04, 2023, 02:37:48 pm
I would find it more interesting to see who can deliver first.
Batterfly says October, Batronix in 2-4 weeks.

I just ordered a DHO804 from Batterfly.  :)


Edit: I just received an email from Batterfly telling me they're not in stock yet and they'll keep me posted on delivery times.

The race is on!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 05, 2023, 07:17:18 pm
I ordered one from batronix today.
Buying instead of loaning, so I´ll have no timelimit for playing. ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nikki Smith on September 06, 2023, 11:06:07 am
Don't buy early release equipment from China without warranty. Just don't do it.
If you want my opinion, I don't buy ANY early release equipment even from local source with full warranty and support.
...
But that is me. OTOH,  some people like gambling....

Time to roll the dice!  :-DD
I ordered the 804 from China on 3rd September, with estimated delivery on the 17th. I'll report back what, if anything, gets delivered!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on September 11, 2023, 03:55:49 pm
As promised here few images. We have a demo unit from today to test.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: NE666 on September 11, 2023, 09:23:48 pm
Obviously a subjective thing but I find this form-factor very appealing.  I'd like to see Rigol follow this up with a hobbyist-end of the market ARB in this form, retaining the external USB-power and VESA mount: a "baby DG4000 series", with a UI that was properly optimised for touch.  Oh, and add to that a low wattage multi-channel DC linear PSU, for digital and small-signal work.  Add a multi-arm monitor stand with VESA mounts to my workbench and we're good.

[Rigol: If you're reading this, you can thank me later.  With some free samples when they go into production  :) ]

When I first saw how thin it was I had concerns that there would be a tendency for it to lean, or even topple over backwards, when physical buttons are pressed.  I could envisage having to hold and stablise it with the other hand whilst operating it.  However, the photo's that Simone has kindly uploaded show what appears to be quite a decent bracing action from the flip out legs.

Would anyone who currently has one care to speak to how stable they find it on their desk when using the physical controls?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 11, 2023, 09:57:32 pm
Quote
Obviously a subjective thing but I find this form-factor very appealing.

Yepp, very subjective.
For me for example it´s very toy-style like owon or other cheapos from aliexpress.
But if the inner values are right, it doesn't matter.
We will soon find out whether that is the case.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 12, 2023, 02:12:32 am
However, the photo's that Simone has kindly uploaded show what appears to be quite a decent bracing action from the flip out legs.

Yes, the feet are big.

The weight isn't specified in the manual but I imagine it's reasonably hefty with that big heatsink and the front metalwork.

Edit: Datasheet says it's 1.78kg so, yeah, it's quite heavy...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 13, 2023, 04:39:40 pm
Just received an email from Batterfly:

"Hello, RIGOL has informed us we will get some early delivery of DHO800s and DHO900s .
We should get the units by September the 22nd, as soon as they arrive your order will be shipped out with express delivery.
We keep you posted, many thanks."


 :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gslick on September 13, 2023, 08:16:41 pm
I received a marketing email from Rigol Technologies USA yesterday. Ordering in the US is now open. If you add one to your cart it currently says "Ships in 5-7 weeks"

https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/)

https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1873132)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1873126)

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 04:06:39 am
Any reason not to pull the trigger on this and pickup a DHO924S and PLA2216?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 06:23:36 am
Any reason not to pull the trigger on this and pickup a DHO924S and PLA2216?

Depends on what you're planning to do with it.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: UK on September 15, 2023, 07:54:38 am
Any reason not to pull the trigger on this and pickup a DHO924S and PLA2216?

Why not a 914S + cheap diy PLA2216 (with SN65LVDS391 drivers) ?  you may save about a third of your budget
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: simone.pignatti on September 15, 2023, 08:51:11 am
Hello, here is a first image of the DHO924S power by a power bank. Monday will record a video to see how long the unit will work with a full charge.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 01:49:25 pm
So cool...
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1874323;image)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 02:04:31 pm
Hello, here is a first image of the DHO924S power by a power bank. Monday will record a video to see how long the unit will work with a full charge.

It's 36W consumption so you should be able to calculate it within 10-20% based on the capacity of your power bank.  :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: JebCrag on September 15, 2023, 05:53:03 pm
Hello, I've got an UltraAcquire mode question.

I'm interested in getting a new scope (currently use a 1054z) and am considering the 924S as the feature list looks so appealing.  I definitely want a segmented/deep memory mode to catch intermittent errors that I can't specifically trigger off, but I'm not sure from the user guide how this works on these scopes.

Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one?  The user guide explains some interesting ways of displaying many signals next to each other, but I can't tell if I can select waveforms one by one, and ideally use the cursor or measure tools on them.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 08:10:15 pm

Why not a 914S + cheap diy PLA2216 (with SN65LVDS391 drivers) ?  you may save about a third of your budget

I think you just answered my next question: The PLA2216 is not totally passive, correct? It has some active components? 30 years ago, and I'd have DIY'ed that sucker in a heartbeat. ;)

Also, are you recommending the 914 over the 924 because I can "upgrade" it on my own? I'm happy to give them an honest $100 for the spec bump.

Thanks!!

...R
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ima hogg on September 15, 2023, 08:14:40 pm
To be clear, the DHO800/900 come with ASCII, I2C, and SPI decoding activated from the factory, i.e., no extra "option" to buy, correct?

I got kind of an equivocal response from my vendor.

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: NE666 on September 15, 2023, 08:18:10 pm
Hello, I've got an UltraAcquire mode question.

I'm interested in getting a new scope (currently use a 1054z) and am considering the 924S as the feature list looks so appealing.  I definitely want a segmented/deep memory mode to catch intermittent errors that I can't specifically trigger off, but I'm not sure from the user guide how this works on these scopes.

Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one?  The user guide explains some interesting ways of displaying many signals next to each other, but I can't tell if I can select waveforms one by one, and ideally use the cursor or measure tools on them.

Thanks!

My interpretation of the datasheet and user guide is - yes, segmented memory is supported and Rigol refer to their implementation in the DHO as "Waveform Recording" and "Navigation".  The latter option allows you to step through the captured trigger frames, or jump to a specific frame number, and you can make cursor-based measurements when you're there.  "Ultravision", I believe, is just Rigol's tradename for some of the fancy visualisations that allow you to see more than one frame at a time, superimposed in a variety of different ways.  Probably fun just once, then you'll just use "Navigation", which probably works much like your MSO2000 (I've never used one myself).
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: NE666 on September 15, 2023, 08:21:00 pm
To be clear, the DHO800/900 come with ASCII, I2C, and SPI decoding activated from the factory, i.e., no extra "option" to buy, correct?

You are correct, there are no "extra" options that can be purchased.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Bud on September 15, 2023, 09:10:07 pm
So cool...
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1874323;image)
Whst is so cool with it? Now instead of one piece of gear taking space on the bench you have two. And have to care about maintenance (charging) of the battery pack. Did not have enough things to do, now you do.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 10:41:42 pm
Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one?

Watch this video, it shows it on the DHO4000/DHO1000 but the DHO800 seems to have the exact same features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U)

nb. Physical 'scope deliveries don't start 'til the end of the month so I'm just reading the manual when I say that.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Veteran68 on September 15, 2023, 11:28:55 pm
Whst is so cool with it? Now instead of one piece of gear taking space on the bench you have two. And have to care about maintenance (charging) of the battery pack. Did not have enough things to do, now you do.

I would think it obvious? You now have an option to be portable. You didn't have that with a mains plug powered scope (unless you want to haul around a generator or DC inverter). So worst case, you carry your USB-C power pack like you used to carry your IEC mains cable. But as another option, you just need a USB-C cable and a PD battery pack. It isn't FORCING you to use a battery pack, but it's a nice option to have. I fail to see how this isn't considered an added benefit.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 15, 2023, 11:42:19 pm
So cool...
What is so cool with it?

The shape.

I left the powerbank in because there was no banana for scale. Does it help if I do this?
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875328;image)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mikeselectricstuff on September 16, 2023, 12:21:42 am
Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one?

Watch this video, it shows it on the DHO4000/DHO1000 but the DHO800 seems to have the exact same features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U)

If it has that perspective segmented mode I'd consider buying it for that alone - could potentially pay for itself on one debug session!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gslick on September 16, 2023, 01:20:09 am
Can anyone tell me whether this has a "typical" segmented memory mode (like on the rigol MSO2000 series I can use at work), where I could fill up the memory with a series of waveforms, and then cycle through them one by one?

Watch this video, it shows it on the DHO4000/DHO1000 but the DHO800 seems to have the exact same features:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U)

If it has that perspective segmented mode I'd consider buying it for that alone - could potentially pay for itself on one debug session!

The DHO800 User Guide does mention the UltraAcquire Perspective mode.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875379)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 02:00:50 am
If it has that perspective segmented mode I'd consider buying it for that alone - could potentially pay for itself on one debug session!

It's definitely in the DHO800 manual.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tautech on September 16, 2023, 02:55:54 am
The DHO800 User Guide does mention the UltraAcquire Perspective mode.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875379)
Who wants to see 100 frames at once ?
Surely they mean it can capture 100 frames < pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ledtester on September 16, 2023, 07:58:04 am
Who wants to see 100 frames at once ?
Surely they mean it can capture 100 frames < pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

At 2:55 in the video the guy says "Now we can record 500k frames of this data." This number is dependent on the sampling rate you configure.

At around 4:47 it looks like you can choose any range of frames to build the visualization. The guy just happened to choose 100 frames and then pages through the recording in 100 frame blocks but it is clear from the UI that you are free to choose the start and end frame to be whatever you want for the visualization.

Edit: I guess the manual says that you can use at most 100 frames to build a visualization.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 09:18:46 am
Who wants to see 100 frames at once ?
Surely they mean it can capture 100 frames < pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

Try watching the video, he captures 500k frames (on a DHO4000, which has more memory).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U)

What he means is that in that 3D visualization mode you only see 100 frames at once. You can scroll back and forth through the 500k but only see 100 at once.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875610;image)

Please post screenshots of the SDS1104X-E 3D mode for comparison.

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 09:39:56 am
This number is dependent on the sampling rate you configure.

The sample rate and window size.

... pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

The DHO800/900 can have 50MPts of memory which easily beats the 14Mpts in the Siglent.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tautech on September 16, 2023, 10:39:40 am
... pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

The DHO800/900 can have 50MPts of memory which easily beats the 14Mpts in the Siglent.
With all channels active ?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 16, 2023, 11:23:42 am
Hehehe.... ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 12:20:41 pm
The DHO800/900 can have 50MPts of memory which easily beats the 14Mpts in the Siglent.
With all channels active ?

Stop trying to move the goalposts. The task being discussed was using a single channel. The Rigol has more than 3x the memory for that task.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 12:22:36 pm
Hehehe.... ;)

And who knows, it might be able to have much more!

It's the same firmware as the 4000-series so the limit will be defined in software.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 12:34:35 pm
Who wants to see 100 frames at once ?
Surely they mean it can capture 100 frames < pitiful, SDS1104X-E can capture and playback 80k frames !

Try watching the video, he captures 500k frames (on a DHO4000, which has more memory).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enBad0a1B2U)

What he means is that in that 3D visualization mode you only see 100 frames at once. You can scroll back and forth through the 500k but only see 100 at once.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875610;image)

Please post screenshots of the SDS1104X-E 3D mode for comparison.


You are going to capture  half a MILLION of screens, and then sift through 5000 screens with 100 captures each visually and find a problem just by looking at those.. Good luck with that.
It is useless gimmick.

Other scopes have visual overlap mode and animation mode because that is useful. 3D plot are useful and used widely but not this way..

But that is not even the point. You are confusing segmented mode and UltraAck mode that are not the same..

In segmented (record) mode it seem it can capture 100 of thousands of captures and then only animated play trough them. I UltraAcquire mode it can only get some 100 or 80 captures, show them and then resets and starts again..

 The UltraAcquire mode is not available when any of the following functions is enabled:
cursors, decoding, Search, Zoom, Pass/Fail test, waveform recording, reference waveform,
roll mode, slow sweep mode, and XY mode. To switch to the UltraAcquire mode, please
ensure that all of those functions are disabled.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 02:14:05 pm
well maybe not by visual inspection, but if the data in each of these 5000 "screens" could be saved to (usb-)disk, you could let the computer do it.
If these scopes are as hackable as they promise to be, you can even write your own app that does the search on the oscilloscope and present it in a fancy window with all the bells and whistles you want.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 02:34:07 pm
You are going to capture  half a MILLION of screens, and then sift through 5000 screens with 100 captures each visually and find a problem just by looking at those.

If you bother to watch the video you'll see he types in how many frames to see at a time, in this case 100:

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1875796;image)

Presumably he could type 1000, the manual doesn't mention a limit.

By entering start/end values you could narrow it down very quickly to see a pulse and see what happened just before/after.

There's also a "search" function at the top of that window but I'm not sure what it does yet.

nb. You can view multiple channels simultaneously in 3D to see associated signals.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:03:31 pm
well maybe not by visual inspection, but if the data in each of these 5000 "screens" could be saved to (usb-)disk, you could let the computer do it.
If these scopes are as hackable as they promise to be, you can even write your own app that does the search on the oscilloscope and present it in a fancy window with all the bells and whistles you want.
Save to disk and analyze? You can do on any oscilloscope for many years now. We are discussing built in capabilities...

As for "enhancing" the scope that worked so well for hundreds of people that said just that in many years so far...
I hope that someone actually do that for once....

So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:08:16 pm
Presumably he could type 1000, the manual doesn't mention a limit.


I'll leave  presumptions to you. I prefer reading the facts. Documentation specifically states:

Adjacent:  A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.
Overlay: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.
Waterfall: A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.
Perspective:  A maximum of 100 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.
Mosaic: A maximum of 80 frames can be displayed on the screen at a time in this mode.


Look. I suggest to you to wait for the scope to arrive before you pass the judgment. At this moment all that we know is suppositions and (probably not finished and flawed) documentation.
Once your scope comes in, you will see how it works and what you can really do with it. Rigol might have not documented all it can do, or may have not (yet) implemented what they put in docs...

When you have one you will be able to see real facts.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:11:41 pm
So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..

How many of them were android with unobfuscated APKs (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5058826/#msg5058826)?

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:13:42 pm
Just saving it is not the biggest problem.
Saving and making your own algorithms for doing the analysis part is what I'm after.
Think machine learning (https://www.datacamp.com/tutorial/a-data-scientists-guide-to-signal-processing), your own graphics instead of what the scopes deliver out of the box.
I agree that we can and should do much more than only play a game.

I'm unaware of a scope letting the end user make its own algorithms and graphics.
Do you have an example?
well, maybe not by visual inspection, but if the data in each of these 5000 "screens" could be saved to (usb-)disk, you could let the computer do it.
If these scopes are as hackable as they promise to be, you can even write your own app that does the search on the oscilloscope and present it in a fancy window with all the bells and whistles you want.
Save to disk and analyze? You can do on any oscilloscope for many years now. We are discussing built in capabilities...

As for "enhancing" the scope that worked so well for hundreds of people that said just that in many years so far...
I hope that someone actually do that for once....

So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:14:44 pm
So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..

How many of them were android with unobfuscated APKs (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5058826/#msg5058826)?

Seriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:17:23 pm

Seriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...
While not android, but chatgpt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccbx765Gt1U) can write androids apps ....
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:19:49 pm
Just saving it is not the biggest problem.
Saving and making your own algorithms for doing the analysis part is what I'm after.
Think machine learning (https://www.datacamp.com/tutorial/a-data-scientists-guide-to-signal-processing), your own graphics instead of what the scopes deliver out of the box.
I agree that we can and should do much more than only play a game.

I'm unaware of a scope letting the end user make its own algorithms and graphics.
Do you have an example?
well, maybe not by visual inspection, but if the data in each of these 5000 "screens" could be saved to (usb-)disk, you could let the computer do it.
If these scopes are as hackable as they promise to be, you can even write your own app that does the search on the oscilloscope and present it in a fancy window with all the bells and whistles you want.
Save to disk and analyze? You can do on any oscilloscope for many years now. We are discussing built in capabilities...

As for "enhancing" the scope that worked so well for hundreds of people that said just that in many years so far...
I hope that someone actually do that for once....

So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..

I don't understand.

Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.
Unless manufacturer gives you scope API you are left out to dry, and reverse engineer scope internals..

AI analysis ? On a smartphone platform ?

As for scopes that do give API and all needed to make custom apps, filters and such is LeCroy on it's high end platforms..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:21:31 pm

Seriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...
While not android, but chatgpt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccbx765Gt1U) can write androids apps ....

Aha, ChatGPT... I understand now. Good luck with that..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:30:16 pm
Seriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...

It means you don't have to write a complete new firmware from scratch.

It means you can modify/replace individual objects in the firmware.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: iMo on September 16, 2023, 03:31:19 pm
Aha, ChatGPT... I understand now. Good luck with that..
As a child I was often asked by my parents - "..and who will do it? .. dwarfs?"..
 :D
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 03:31:29 pm
It looks like these scopes are "more open" out of the box.

An API is not really necessary, this forum is full of reverse engineering examples that transform closed parts to more open parts.
I start in a modest way: signal analysis with machine learning. AI can come later (maybe upgraded models, but think out of the box: scope is connected to internet, sends the heavy lifting to
a  powerful cloud and GPU server ...).

How many hobbyists can afford a LeCroy? Think in options: with all these smart script kiddies coming from the university into the workplace. They've been trained to automate everything ...


I don't understand.
Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.
Unless manufacturer gives you scope API you are left out to dry, and reverse engineer scope internals..
AI analysis ? On a smartphone platform ?
As for scopes that do give API and all needed to make custom apps, filters and such is LeCroy on it's high end platforms..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:46:02 pm
Seriously, Android is some magical thing that will write apps itself for you... Good to know...

It means you don't have to write a complete new firmware from scratch.

It means you can modify/replace individual objects in the firmware.


Yes.. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 03:50:09 pm
Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.

An android APK isn't the same as a bunch of compiled binaries.

Having an unobfuscated APK is almost the same as having the source code these days - see the screenshots in that link I gave you earlier for examples.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 03:59:35 pm
It looks like these scopes are "more open" out of the box.

An API is not really necessary, this forum is full of reverse engineering examples that transform closed parts to more open parts.
I start in a modest way: signal analysis with machine learning. AI can come later (maybe upgraded models, but think out of the box: scope is connected to internet, sends the heavy lifting to
a  powerful cloud and GPU server ...).

How many hobbyists can afford a LeCroy? Think in options: with all these smart script kiddies coming from the university into the workplace. They've been trained to automate everything ...


I don't understand.
Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.
Unless manufacturer gives you scope API you are left out to dry, and reverse engineer scope internals..
AI analysis ? On a smartphone platform ?
As for scopes that do give API and all needed to make custom apps, filters and such is LeCroy on it's high end platforms..

This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
It is industrial scale effort that needs both lot of knowledge and time.
If you are the one that will succeed it would make me very happy for you and thousand of other people that will benefit from it.

I feel like you are arguing with me thinking I am against it or that I think it should not be done.
Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for you.

It is just that it is not as easy as you think it is..

And why are you suggesting I advocate for people to buy LeCroy instead of Rigol.
You asked do I know any scopes that have API provided by manufacturer. I do, LeCroy.
That is all..

Or since you mentioned it, it can be a sign how "easy" is what you expect to do, if LeCroy can charge so much for it...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 04:03:50 pm
Fact that you have access to open Android is same as already dozens of scopes with open access to linux.

An android APK isn't the same as a bunch of compiled binaries.

Having an unobfuscated APK is almost the same as having the source code these days - see the screenshots in that link I gave you earlier for examples.

As someone who did reverse engineer industrial project for a machine control (from full source code in C) I bid you good luck.

Only going through all the documentation (that was provided and well made)for APIs for all controller cards and peripherals took few months. Without it I would refuse the job.. Even with full source code for application.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 16, 2023, 04:54:46 pm
This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..

It also has people that HAVE reverse engineered oscilloscopes from zero and written new firmware for them.

eg. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203)

We'll see what happens, but these Rigols will need orders of magnitude less effort than other devices.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 05:32:34 pm
This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..

It also has people that HAVE reverse engineered oscilloscopes from zero and written new firmware for them.

eg. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fnirsi-1013d-100mhz-tablet-oscilloscope/msg3938203/#msg3938203)

We'll see what happens, but these Rigols will need orders of magnitude less effort than other devices.

Like I said, my best wishes for sucess!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on September 16, 2023, 06:11:00 pm

This forum is chock full of proof that dozens of people said same thing as you and went nowhere..
Yes, it can go both ways.

It is industrial scale effort that needs both lot of knowledge and time.
Cheaper scopes will mean more people are able to get one.
More people with appropriate schooling will mean more workpower and intellectual power, so more and more people can stand on the shoulders of people before them, thus easing the way for others.

If you are the one that will succeed it would make me very happy for you and thousand of other people that will benefit from it.
I don't think I qualify or even have the energy for it. But I see young people at work that have a second nature to automate everything and get breakthrough in dossiers that have stood still for a long time.

I feel like you are arguing with me, thinking I am against it or that I think it should not be done.
Quite the opposite. I'm rooting for you.
No, I don't think that, the only point where we have different estimations on how hard such a job would be.
You have experience, I do not. But I see energy flowing when young people put their heart into something.
I've studied mathematics and the adagium of the oldest mathematical society in the Netherlands was: Een onvermoeide arbeid komt alles te boven  (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kalligrafie_met_de_spreuk_Een_onvermoeide_arbeid_komt_alles_te_boven,_1786_Een_onvermoeide_arbeid_komt_alles_te_boven_(titel_op_object),_RP-P-OB-85.562.jpg)(untiring labor conquers all).
That spirit is engrained in my life.
It is just that it is not as easy as you think it is..
See above
And why are you suggesting I advocate for people to buy LeCroy instead of Rigol.
I don't.
You asked do I know any scopes that have API provided by manufacturer. I do, LeCroy.

True point. I had an implicit thought about cheap scopes, because there is a lot of talk about he price of these scopes.

That is all..
Idem ;-).
Or since you mentioned it, it can be a sign how "easy" is what you expect to do, if LeCroy can charge so much for it...
I like your thinking.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Njk on September 16, 2023, 07:20:16 pm
So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..
Just to be fair. Some years ago, here was Konnor user (AFAIR) who did develop entire framework for user's applications for DS1000z. That models are linux-free. Anyway the framework never gained traction here.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 16, 2023, 08:09:00 pm
So far, nobody did anything, except playing Doom and claiming the victory.. And scopes have been linux and with accessible OS for years now..
Just to be fair. Some years ago, here was Konnor user (AFAIR) who did develop entire framework for user's applications for DS1000z. That models are linux-free. Anyway the framework never gained traction here.

Yes Konnor did decompile the code, mapped modules etc.
But this is something he did by decompiling specific FW version.  In this case you can insert some of your code into memory and change pointers to point there...  He even created sort of framework code to insert code into it.
But this is kind of work that is similar to patching applications when you are circumventing licensing and hacking.
Not something that is easy or common. Also he decompiled entry points but all that doesn't explain what is scope doing and how is data being datapumped from FPGA etc etc...

This resulted with nobody ever used it. Because it is not easy and needs specialized knowledge..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nikki Smith on September 18, 2023, 02:20:27 pm
I ordered the 804 from China on 3rd September, with estimated delivery on the 17th. I'll report back what, if anything, gets delivered!

Just arrived safe and sound via UPS, and at least it boots!  :-+

I've bought a £9 wall mount for it, although it is so slim that it doesn't take up much desk space anyway.

It didn't have any plastic smell when I opened the box, which some users have reported.

It came with the Lenovo 65W USB-C mains adaptor that takes a C5/Clover Leaf plug, a US mains cable and a UK-US plug adaptor.

It cost me £316 incl shipping from AliExpress so far, but I'm waiting for the customs invoice from UPS. Don't know what value the seller declared it as.
Update 26/Oct: never did get a customs invoice, so that makes it even more of a bargain  :)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: JebCrag on September 19, 2023, 12:55:03 pm
But that is not even the point. You are confusing segmented mode and UltraAck mode that are not the same..

Thanks everyone for the points on this mode - I had assumed that ultraacquire was Rigol's name for segmented memory.  Now I see it clearly spelled out in the manual (p. 200) that it has the record functions I'm looking for.

Now I just need to be patient until my local vendor gets stock.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on September 19, 2023, 01:44:10 pm
Now I see it clearly spelled out in the manual (p. 200) that it has the record functions I'm looking for.

Are you sure?

Make sure to check what can you DO with record mode. On other scopes that support segmented mode, you can do math, measure, decode etc. from segmented captures. It is not clear yet what can you do on DHO800/900 with recorded waveforms except looking at them.  For instance DS1000Z  had recording mode that did not allow you to do anything except looking at it screen by screen..

It seems that Rigol uses name UltraAcquire for some type of segmented mode. In that mode many of features are not available at capture time. When captured, it has Navigate segments window that allows you to look at captured stuff through some fancy display modes by (EDIT) time, frame number and there is some kind of search that nobody seems to talk about.
Actually read a manual again and in UltraAcquire mode only navigation available is Navigate by Frame Segment.  (EDIT)
On the other hand you have Waveform Recording mode that only allows you to playback captures (trigger events) one by one or animated.
There is no clarification that you can do search or decode or anything in this mode...

Everybody keeps being euphoric about all kinds of stuff but nobody seems to talk about if this scope actually can do any proper analysis with this two modes...

If I were you I would wait until someone gets one and proves it actually can do a job for you.  Maybe it does, but documentation is not helpful at all and nobody actually tested it yet..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: EEVblog on September 20, 2023, 11:29:39 am
Prices have changed on the Rigol website:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5069599/#msg5069599 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigols-new-dho800-oscilloscope-unbox-teardown/msg5069599/#msg5069599)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: daveyk on September 20, 2023, 03:41:17 pm
Is there a 300MHz version?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mortymore on September 20, 2023, 04:34:48 pm
DHO800 up to 100MHz
DHO900 up to 250MHz

https://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes.html (https://www.rigol.eu/products/oscillosopes.html)

(oscillosopes  :-DD)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nikki Smith on September 21, 2023, 04:18:06 pm
Got my new scope fitted on a cheap monitor/TV wall mounted swing arm  :) It came with 4x small standoffs so there is still good airflow at the back.

I'm thinking about some 3D-printed clips/holders for the probes. Perhaps 2 probes on the left+right sides of the scope? Can you recommend a design that works well?
Not sure what the best way to attach the 3D prints to the case of the scope.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 07:03:04 am
I ordered the 804 from China on 3rd September, with estimated delivery on the 17th. I'll report back what, if anything, gets delivered!
It cost me £316 incl shipping from AliExpress

Hi,

How did you find the Aliexpress seller, did you use Jiutian Instrument Store?
What is the story with warranty, send it back to china?

The Australia tax it is bit hard to swallow, AU $194.95 or 23% difference
Only real difference seems to be local warranty(assuming they don't go broke) there doesn't seem to be any manufacturer office here so would be back to china in that case I guess.

DHO804
Aliexpress inc AU tax and shipping  US $419.34 = AU $650.95
Local inc tax and shipping AU $845.90
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nikki Smith on September 23, 2023, 08:11:30 am
How did you find the Aliexpress seller, did you use Jiutian Instrument Store?
What is the story with warranty, send it back to china?

Yes, no problems with that AliExpress seller. Fast to reply to messages. I was nervous that it took a week to mark it as shipped, but then once shipped UPS was quick.

No idea about the warranty? I could try Rigol UK/EU since it is their product, and it shouldn't matter where in the world you buy it from. To be honest I'll be hacking the scope (firmware and hardware) so my warranty will be void anyway!

The Australia tax it is bit hard to swallow, AU $194.95 or 23% difference:

DHO804
Aliexpress inc AU tax and shipping  US $419.34 = AU $650.95
Local inc tax and shipping AU $845.90

Similar to the UK  :(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 08:33:48 am
How did you find the Aliexpress seller, did you use Jiutian Instrument Store?
What is the story with warranty, send it back to china?

No idea about the warranty? I could try Rigol UK/EU since it is their product, and it shouldn't matter where in the world you buy it from. To be honest I'll be hacking the scope (firmware and hardware) so my warranty will be void anyway!


Rigol are notoriously difficult with warranty, there is no Rigol international warranty, if you don't buy it from the local distributor it would be unlikely they will want to help.

There is no Rigol office in the UK, just a distributor same as here. https://int.rigol.com/contact/info
In fact the there are no UK distributors listed so who knows if they are legit or not. https://int.rigol.com/contact/where-to-buy

I guess that's the extra $194, roll the dice and if you have issues hope the Aliexpress seller will help, they have been around for 8 Years, so somewhat positive I guess.

For completeness This is what the Aliexpress Seller said when asked about the warranty which seems reasonable.

"3 years warranty, If it has something wrong during warranty, you can send it back to us. The buyer pays for the returning shipping cost and we will pay for the sending shipping cost"

Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: .RC. on September 23, 2023, 08:57:21 am

Hi,

How did you find the Aliexpress seller, did you use Jiutian Instrument Store?
What is the story with warranty, send it back to china?

The Australia tax it is bit hard to swallow, AU $194.95 or 23% difference
Only real difference seems to be local warranty(assuming they don't go broke) there doesn't seem to be any manufacturer office here so would be back to china in that case I guess.

DHO804
Aliexpress inc AU tax and shipping  US $419.34 = AU $650.95
Local inc tax and shipping AU $845.90

Aliexpress to me is quoting AU$630 delivered + GST for a DHO804

Which is the exact same price a SDS1104X-E from the local dealer who must have old stock they are trying to sell as it should be more then that.

If I did not get a 1104X-E six months ago I would maybe be getting a DHO804, although it not yet proven longevity wise, the only other worry is would it arrive, but I have only had one item not arrive from Ali Express from out of maybe 40 purchases and got a refund since it was obvious they never sent it anyway by the dodgy tracking number. But to me AU$700 is a fair chunk of money to risk direct from China.  But I did buy a $400 solar pump direct from Ali Express and it turned up fine.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Uksa007 on September 23, 2023, 09:33:21 am

 I would be getting a DHO804, the only worry is would it arrive, but I have only had one item not arrive from Ali Express from out of maybe 40 purchases and got a refund since it was obvious they never sent it anyway by the dodgy tracking number. But to me AU$700 is a fair chunk of money to risk direct from China. 

I wouldn't be too worried about it arriving, aliexpress, paypal and credit card all have protections to cover that, so you would have three layers of protection.

The risk for me is if it arrives damaged from shipping: warranty won't apply, doubtful aliexpress, paypal and credit card won't want to know about it.
You would be left to fight it out with the seller, is there insurance on the shipping doubtful?

If it fails in warranty period, have to hope seller is still around, and the cost to ship to back to china would be high.

I guess that is the dice you roll if you want to save 23%?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: turmoni on September 23, 2023, 10:22:46 pm
There is no Rigol office in the UK, just a distributor same as here. https://int.rigol.com/contact/info (https://int.rigol.com/contact/info)
In fact the there are no UK distributors listed so who knows if they are legit or not. https://int.rigol.com/contact/where-to-buy (https://int.rigol.com/contact/where-to-buy)

European distributors are listed on https://www.rigol.eu/En/Index/listView/catid/82.html (https://www.rigol.eu/En/Index/listView/catid/82.html) , and Telonic is listed there for the UK.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Njk on September 24, 2023, 12:43:35 pm
Rigol are notoriously difficult with warranty, there is no Rigol international warranty, if you don't buy it from the local distributor it would be unlikely they will want to help.
In my case, the warranty claim was accepted and the unit was fixed despite it was purchased not from local dealer. But here is a local Rigol rep so no international shipping was necessary.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: dmulligan on September 24, 2023, 06:35:48 pm
I wonder when we will start to hear feedback from actual users as well as other reviewers.  It sounds like shipping will start around October 16th in Canada, it's unclear if those will be the first units going out or the current end of the queue. 
When will vendors start shipping DSO800/900 within North America and Europe? 
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 24, 2023, 09:12:23 pm
Hmmm, seems it could last longer than expected...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 26, 2023, 05:51:19 pm
Quote
Hmmm, seems it could last longer than expected...

Maybe not after all. ;)
I had received an answer from Batronix today that they still assume the next week, that they have not heard anything to the contrary to date.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 26, 2023, 07:13:34 pm
Quote
Hmmm, seems it could last longer than expected...

Maybe not after all. ;)
I had received an answer from Batronix today that they still assume the next week, that they have not heard anything to the contrary to date.

Batterfly told me they'd be receiving units on September 22 but I haven't heard anything yet.  :D
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mwb1100 on September 26, 2023, 09:01:38 pm
Just got an email from Saelig about the DSO800/DS900:

Quote
In order to introduce these amazing scopes to our customers, use Coupon Code RIG1023 for 7% off the list prices of the DHO800 and DHO900 scopes!
(This discount expires at midnight, October 31,2023.)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on September 26, 2023, 09:09:23 pm
Aha...
Batronix won´t give any discount for this.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Veteran68 on September 26, 2023, 09:43:47 pm
Just got an email from Saelig about the DSO800/DS900:

Quote
In order to introduce these amazing scopes to our customers, use Coupon Code RIG1023 for 7% off the list prices of the DHO800 and DHO900 scopes!
(This discount expires at midnight, October 31,2023.)

Yeah I got that email too, but the code doesn't work yet. At least not with the DHO914S.

Sorry, this is an Invalid coupon code

The eevBlog discount code does still work for 6% off.  ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mwb1100 on September 26, 2023, 10:36:42 pm
Yeah I got that email too, but the code doesn't work yet. At least not with the DHO914S.

Same for DHO804.  Not a huge difference between the two coupons, but 5 bucks is 5 bucks   :).  I'll be super surprised (shocked even) if the coupons stack, but that would be awesome: DHO804 for the price of a DS1054Z.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gslick on September 27, 2023, 05:54:19 pm
Yeah I got that email too, but the code doesn't work yet. At least not with the DHO914S.

Same for DHO804.  Not a huge difference between the two coupons, but 5 bucks is 5 bucks   :).  I'll be super surprised (shocked even) if the coupons stack, but that would be awesome: DHO804 for the price of a DS1054Z.

Saelig RIG1023 discount code appears to be live this morning, Sept 27, 2023. No, I didn't actually place an order myself.

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1885654)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: newbie99 on September 28, 2023, 08:19:26 pm
Coupon code worked this afternoon (9/28) for me! $27.93 off of the DHO804. Can't beat no tax and free shipping with a discount!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on September 28, 2023, 09:02:16 pm
$42 is a decent discount.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: oldbrokenrecord on September 30, 2023, 01:44:27 pm
coupon code RIG1023 did not work for me  :palm:

what is the eevblog coupon code?  :horse:
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mwb1100 on September 30, 2023, 07:16:40 pm
coupon code RIG1023 did not work for me  :palm:

It's a Saelig specific discount - are you using it on https://www.saelig.com (https://www.saelig.com) ? 

It might only work in the USA?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 02, 2023, 09:59:52 pm
This week is the week my rigol should arrive... ;)
I am curious whether batronix can keep the announcement, my feeling says no.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 03, 2023, 08:50:18 pm
On their website they have adjusted the delivery time, 1-4 days for the 2-channel variant.
21-40 days for the 4-channel... ???
I hope this will not be true.
Also funny:
The 100Mhz 2-channel costs the same as the 70Mhz 4-channel model.... ;)
Title: Rigol DHO812 shipment anouncement
Post by: JOSM on October 04, 2023, 05:57:26 am
I have ordered a DHO812 on Sep 12 from rigolshop.eu.
Two days ago I received the shipment anouncement e-mail. According to DPD tracking it is shipped from Hamburg. Delivery is sheduled for Oct 4 or 5.

[Update Oct 4, 10:00]
Parcel arrived  :)
I am about to test it out now.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: DaneLaw on October 05, 2023, 01:19:01 am
On their website they have adjusted the delivery time, 1-4 days for the 2-channel variant.
21-40 days for the 4-channel... ???
I hope this will not be true.
Also funny:
The 100Mhz 2-channel costs the same as the 70Mhz 4-channel model.... ;)
Quite heavy EU pricing, comparing it to "Saelig" in the USA, precarious name, "Saelig" with ae... "ae" usually resamples the old norse letter Æ.. - seems the word "Saelig" does originate from the old Danish norse "Sælig"
back when most of England was called Danelaw, & part of Denmark...while the Æ-letter went out of the English alphabet in the 1300 century, and was exchanged for AE..."Sælig" means happy or blessed, - no wonder with those low prices.

Cheapest [DHO802]
US = 278 US (Saelig's coupon price)
EU 460 US (DK) +65%  (=436EU Batronix)
hmm, just a little tax on top ;) (+65%) though I'm not familiar with the US, maybe some local state tax, is added later, on top of those blessed Saelig prices.

At Aliexpress the exampled DHO802 seems to go for 310 US to DK, with incl. shipping and risk some VAT/tax on top, depending on what they had declared it at, but no wonder that many here in Europe go down that import path. ..if you buy from Aliexpress..coupon "OT14" will take 14 US off (+120US) and "OT6" =6US (+50)

Quote
Aliexpress-codes (though about 3 days old, so some of them are likely gone, as they work on many items there but most seem to be good atm, so maybe someone can find the use of it, and lower the price a tad..
The most lucrative ones', and  are to USA & Spain residents & based on your address)

International codes:
$6/50: OT6
$14/120: OT14

Spain:
$6 dto. en compra de $50: ES6
11€ dto. en compras de 80€: ES11
$12 dto. en compra de $100: ES12
26€ dto. en compras de 200€: ES26
45€ dto. en compras de 300€: ES45
60€ dto. en compras de 400€: ES60

USA:
US $3 off $30 Code: US3AFF
US $12 off $100 Code: US12AFF
US* $6 off $20 Code: NEWUS6OFF
US* $8 off $40 Code: NEWUS8OFF
US* $12 off $80 Code: NEWUS12OFF
US* $25 off $150 Code: NEWUS25OFF
- those with * are new customer codes)

- for the 4ch. DHO804 "Batterfly" seems to operate with a minor discount.(15 Euro)
However, Im not in the market for another scope, more like a wavelength/spectrometer - but those are still quite expensive..not much evolvement on that particular meter segment with otherwise quite dated CCD sensors..

 
Generally, when comparing US vs EU prices it tends to be around 1US = 1EU + your regional VAT and the euro is around +5% higher than the dollar atm.
Also seems to be the case with other models' like DHO1072 which cost = 699US in NA and 699 euro in EU + VAT., so quite inflated DHO802 pricing in Europe atm
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: KedasProbe on October 05, 2023, 09:45:32 am
DHO914S Europe delivery date I got is Oct 25
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 06, 2023, 12:21:28 pm
21-40 days for the 4-channel... ???
I hope this will not be true.

4...5 Days left. ;)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: KedasProbe on October 06, 2023, 01:45:42 pm
Some models are indeed already in stock in Europe
DHO914 and DHO924 are in stock. (also DHO804)
longer delivery time for those 'S' models... Nov 1 ?

edit: current best case is shipping Oct 11 for me.

edit: received the DHO914S on Oct 17 from eleshop.eu
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Malmen on October 06, 2023, 01:47:38 pm
I got my 804 from Rigol Shop EU yesterday 5th oct.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on October 06, 2023, 01:59:09 pm
For my DHO 942S, Batronix mailed on 27 Sept: "We expect them by the end of next week".
Still no notification of dispatch ...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gslick on October 06, 2023, 04:49:09 pm
RIGOL USA currently shows that of Oct 6, 2023 that the DHO802, DHO812, DHO814, DHO914, DHO914S, and DHO924 are in stock. Only the DHO804 and DHO924S are not in stock. I have no experience ordering anything directly from RIGOL USA myself.

https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/)
https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1892787)

(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/?action=dlattach;attach=1892781)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on October 06, 2023, 08:15:25 pm
RIGOL USA currently shows that of Oct 6, 2023 that the DHO802, DHO812, DHO814 are in stock.

Not the 804?

They're trying to sell the more expensive DHO814 to the impatient...  ;D
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: pdeal on October 06, 2023, 10:30:24 pm
I have a 914s on order from Rigol North America. It’s been shipped and is supposed to be here Tuesday 10/10. I also ordered one of the ebay after market logic probes.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: TimFox on October 06, 2023, 10:33:18 pm
RIGOL USA currently shows that of Oct 6, 2023 that the DHO802, DHO812, DHO814, DHO914, DHO914S, and DHO924 are in stock. Only the DHO804 and DHO924S are not in stock. I have no experience ordering anything directly from RIGOL USA myself.

https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho800/)
https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/ (https://www.rigolna.com/products/rigol-digital-oscilloscopes/dho900/)



I bought my 914S directly from that site and they delivered it about two weeks before their estimate.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mastershake on October 07, 2023, 12:36:49 pm
so what is the eevblog SAELIG code?
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: gslick on October 07, 2023, 05:34:16 pm
so what is the eevblog SAELIG code?

Scroll back a little bit earlier in this thread. The current Rigol specific 7% discount code at https://www.saelig.com (https://www.saelig.com) is RIG1023. That code is supposed to expire on October 31,2023.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/msg5082256/#msg5082256 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho800900-pre-sales-begin/msg5082256/#msg5082256)

The generic Saelig eevBlog discount code is less, at 6% discount. Request it here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/equipment-discounts-from-saelig/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/equipment-discounts-from-saelig/)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on October 09, 2023, 07:15:12 am
Batronix mailed a few moments ago, "your order is ready for shipment".
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 09, 2023, 07:44:54 am
Same here...
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on October 09, 2023, 12:20:51 pm
 >:(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 09, 2023, 08:17:10 pm
Batronix now marked the DHO804 and DHO914 as on stock, "my" 804 has been shipped today. ;)
With luck it will arrive tomorrow or wednesday.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on October 09, 2023, 09:24:19 pm
Batronix now marked the DHO804 and DHO914 as on stock, "my" 804 has been shipped today. ;)
With luck it will arrive tomorrow or wednesday.

I haven't heard anything from Batterfly yet.

Looks like you win!  >:(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 09, 2023, 09:35:16 pm
We have no competition... ;)
I'm surprised about Batterfly, they work together with Batronix.
But who knows how that works, with the allocation of available goods.
If my scope arrives soon, it will remain untouched until at least next weekend anyway, because there is no time before then.
Then it will be tested, my own tests and those suggested to me, then we will see how far the scope can be hacked and at some point I will sell it again.
Or it's so good, I'll keep it as a sort of second scope for quick measurements in between.
That is not yet decided.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: LonnieU on October 09, 2023, 10:49:24 pm
Got an email awhile ago from Saelig USA that my 924 had shipped today.

Of course UPS shows "your shipping label has been created"  |O
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Nominal Animal on October 10, 2023, 06:29:54 am
I was hoping to buy a DHO804 once they become available from the official Finnish distributor (iosignal.fi, 495€ including VAT, local and reputable, thus easier to deal with if stuff happens), but life intervened, and I ran out of funds.  I'd love to play with the innards at least as much as use it as a tool to inspect my microcontroller projects' signaling behaviour.

I bet once I get back on track, these have become unobtainium or because of space aliens the price doubled.  It'd be just my luck.  :(
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on October 10, 2023, 01:39:33 pm
Batterfly just wrote me to say mine is shipping today!

Update: I got a DHL tracking number.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: dmulligan on October 10, 2023, 02:38:14 pm
You folks are lucky.  I just got an email saying my expected October 16th ship date has been delayed until October 20th.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 10, 2023, 05:34:07 pm
Tadaaa... 8)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ebastler on October 10, 2023, 05:47:58 pm
I bet once I get back on track, these have become unobtainium or because of space aliens the price doubled.  It'd be just my luck.  :(

Looking at the quickly growing bug list, I think your chances of obtaining a unit once you are ready are not that bad.  ::)

I'm still waiting to pull the trigger. I want one (if only for the cute form factor and portability); but I am not sure whether I want to spend extra money for the AWG/Bode plot and the digital inputs before they kind of work.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: 2N3055 on October 10, 2023, 05:54:55 pm
Tadaaa... 8)

Nice!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on October 17, 2023, 05:35:52 pm
Bad news, the scope still didn't arrive. Contacted Batronix and DHL: it seems adress details are not right and Batronix should start up an en query procedure. That will take time, there is no current stock. I'm thinking of canceling all the bugs make me nervous.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 17, 2023, 06:19:25 pm
Which did you ordered ?
804 is on stock..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: RAPo on October 17, 2023, 06:54:03 pm
The DHO 942S.
Which did you ordered ?
804 is on stock..
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Bzzz on October 17, 2023, 08:01:31 pm
Aha...
Batronix won´t give any discount for this.

They might give you a tenner off if you're an existing customer and a little less on certain payment methods. While that is very nice (thank you Joel), it's obviously not a big discount in relative terms. I'm guessing these will sell like hotcakes for quite a while, so don't expect them to drop below the current price point anytime soon. Maybe don't even expect them to be in stock all the time, currently only the 804 is available and 802, 812 and 814 plus all 900s are about a week away. If you want one: Now is the time (especially if you already got an older scope that needs to be sold before more 12 bit equipment hits the market and prices plummet)
 
Mine arrived last Saturday (Packstation) and I picked it up yesterday. Couple of display and networking bugs, USB port in the back is a bit tight, and USB-PD via my office monitor makes it boot, but the unit turns off the very moment the main menu appears. Overall very satisfied with the unit, though. Still looking for a suitable VESA mount for the bench.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Martin72 on October 17, 2023, 08:22:34 pm
Quote
They might give you a tenner off if you're an existing customer

I've been a regular customer there for a few years, I'm sure I've already left a 5-digit sum there, and I've made a significant contribution to their success with the demo board - but in this case there was nothing I could do, they stayed firm. ;)
On the other hand, the usual 5% on 474€...Given.

Quote
If you want one: Now is the time

I already got one:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho804-test-and-compare-thread/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dho804-test-and-compare-thread/)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Bzzz on October 17, 2023, 08:35:02 pm
I already got one:

I know  :P
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: keenox on October 20, 2023, 04:38:01 pm
If anyone wants to get one from Batterfly, I got a small discount coupon from them: DHODIS
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ebastler on October 20, 2023, 04:42:55 pm
"Code is invalid or expired."  ???
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: keenox on October 23, 2023, 07:12:19 pm
I think it may only work on the DHO924S, that's what I asked them for. I just tested it now and it works, from 950 to 922 euros (not much).
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: jerrymk on October 23, 2023, 10:02:23 pm
It's less than 299USD for the 4 channel one since Oct. 24 for the 1111 (Nov. 11) sale, was 315USD regularly in China.
Not as much of a discount as I hoped...
Other stuff (sig gens and power supplies) on Rigol's shop is roughly 16% off (50RMB discount for every 300RMB spent)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Fungus on October 23, 2023, 11:07:32 pm
It's less than 299USD for the 4 channel one since Oct. 24 for the 1111 (Nov. 11) sale, was 315USD regularly in China.

Under $299 for a DHO804??

That's the greatest oscilloscope bargain ever.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: jerrymk on October 24, 2023, 11:18:44 am
Also, free shipping to doorstep from China to Taiwan. Probably have to pay 5% import taxes though. Still, an absolute bargain indeed!

Considered the DHO900S, but at over double the price, all I get is a sig gen that can do Bode plots, but with pretty bad specs, an LA port that I'll probably never use cuz the probes, and an official 125MHz/250MHz spec at the same 1.25GSa/s sample rate... yeah forget about it.

Also, one of their notable sale offers (according to them) is the fully upgraded MSO5074 with LA probes for 1278USD. Costs slightly more than a base unit + LA probes, but you don't have to hack it yourself. Nah.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: tv84 on October 24, 2023, 11:28:59 am
I think every time someone adds a bug/requested feature to the list here in EEVblog, Rigol cuts $5 in the DHO prices...  :palm:

People will have to buy this scope! Some of them just don't know it yet!
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: wolframore on December 05, 2023, 07:54:53 pm
Thanks for the review, my order for the DHO804 has been sent to Tequipment since they have education discount.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mechatrommer on December 10, 2023, 11:04:19 am
Considered the DHO900S, but at over double the price, all I get is a sig gen that can do Bode plots, but with pretty bad specs, an LA port that I'll probably never use cuz the probes, and an official 125MHz/250MHz spec at the same 1.25GSa/s sample rate... yeah forget about it.
while looking for other brand MSO, i noticed DHO804 already reduced price since my purchase. i purchased early october at USD387.05 now its only USD358 nuts https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006140347160.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006140347160.html) there is 90% hope DHO804 can be upgraded to DHO924S (with sig gen and LA probe) at much cheaper cost.. ymmv.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: mwb1100 on February 08, 2024, 05:08:35 am
Just an FYI: I got an email today from Saelig saying that Rigol is raising prices on DHO800/900 Feb 15 (prices rounded up $1 to nearest ten):

Code: [Select]
        Current     
         Price     15 Feb 2024
        --------   ------------
DHO802    $300          $330  //  +30
DHO804    $400          $440  //  +40
DHO812    $400          $440  //  +40
DHO814    $500          $550  //  +50

DHO914    $600          $660  //  +60
DHO914S   $700          $770  //  +70
DHO924    $700          $770  //  +70
DHO924S   $800          $900  // +100


Basically a 10% hike.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: ebastler on February 08, 2024, 09:17:25 am
That's surprising in view of the imminent competition from Siglent's SDS800X HD series. (To be released in Western markets before March 1st, as rumors have it.) Let's see what price point Siglent will set, and whether Rigol can stick with their 10% increase then.

Edit: Maybe the idea is to create some leeway in the margins, so they can then respond to the Siglent competition with "special discounts"?  ::)
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Pinkus on February 08, 2024, 11:35:10 am
At the very least, it will lead to additional sales in the short term for all those who are currently considering it. These customers are then lost to Siglent for the time being.
Title: Re: Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin
Post by: Mechatrommer on February 08, 2024, 11:48:00 pm
At the very least, it will lead to additional sales in the short term for all those who are currently considering it. These customers are then lost to Siglent for the time being.
my thought too, 1 week panic buying. when price increased, siglent then can also up a little bit its opening price, when its published, rigol then can lower the price again... this price manipulation strategy is a bit funny to me though, price fluctuation for no apparent reason.