Author Topic: Rigol DS1000E --> DS2000 (Read 41996 times)

hugos31 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:53:32 pm »

Jason Chonko
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Para Hugo nelson Parra M.
Hello Hugo,

My mane is Jason Chonko and I am an Applications Engineer at Rigol Technologies USA.

Thank you for writing in.

The DS2102 is going to be ready for sale in mid-2012 with shipments likely in June. The costs are still being worked out, but I would expect the 100MHz to be below $1000.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me at any time.

Sincerely,
Jason

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Hugo nelson Parra M. <hugos_31@hotmail.com> wrote:
cost Rigol DS2102 100mhz ? when it started selling in the U.S.?

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olsenn · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2012, 12:51:56 am »

Interesting... I never thought the boys at Rigol and it's distributers would be replying to my message, haha; I guess they want to clear up some things before the rumours spread beyond control.

If you're still listening to this forum, I'd recommend you suggest to your boss selling the 200MHz model for under $1000. The reason I say this because most hobbyists and people who are tight on budget won't want to spend for than $500 - $1000 on a DSO, and most people who want a better scope than the DS1102E and have the money to spend on it will likely jump straight to the DS4000 series; that of course is just my assumption and I'm sure your marketing dept. is more informed about market trends in this field than I am... but just imagine the dominance you'd have in the hobbyist market if you sell this device in their (our) price range.

hugos31 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2012, 03:18:53 pm »

http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/document/

ljfont · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2012, 10:57:31 am »

Prices from a store in china.

DS2072 6800 Yuan = $1080 USD
DS2102 9800 Yuan = $1555 USD
DS2202 13800 Yuan = $2189 USD

EEVblog · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2012, 11:31:56 am »

Quote from: ljfont on March 23, 2012, 10:57:31 am

Prices from a store in china.

DS2072 6800 Yuan = $1080 USD
DS2102 9800 Yuan = $1555 USD
DS2202 13800 Yuan = $2189 USD

That's rather disappointing actually, as I got the impression it would start at substantially sub $1K

Dave.

A Hellene · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2012, 11:45:59 am »

Disappointing, indeed...

Let's see if the main processor firmware is hackable, since I think that the DS2000 must be using the same probably ASIC/HW setup the DS4000 and DS6000 do (due to the strong similarities of their features)!

-George

olsenn · « **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2012, 12:35:59 pm »

Bummer; not worth it

T4P · « **Reply #32 on:** March 23, 2012, 12:51:48 pm »

Jeez , just saw the prices for the DS1102E , DS1202E and DS1302E so i'm not surprised they are charging over a thousand dollars .
The only good thing about the DS2000 is its 50,000 wfrms ( which they dub it Ultravision ... Agilent design too ? ) and 14Mpts .
Attempting to compare this scope to the Agilent can be a big problem , since for me the DSOX2012 costs 2.2kSGD . Screwed

If the DS2102 is cheaper then thousand and a half then it can be good but it yields no good since the DSOX2000 only costs 200$ more .
BUT ! 200$ less for 14mpts ? Must consider agilent's speedy fixes and support .
If i wanted another scope then a Owon SDS7102V i would have gone for the DSOX3024A as it's only 5,766SGD
At the same time the Rigol DS4042 on storeinfinity costs like 4,781 which corelates to 6.2kSGD

but yeah , 140MPoints for a whole lot more money .

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #33 on:** March 23, 2012, 03:25:02 pm »

Comparing the Rigol DS2000 to the Agilent DSOX2000 is kinda pointless as the DS2000 seems to be superior in about every possible aspect. If at all, you must compare it to a 2ch DSOX3000 or a Hameg HMO2xx2, though both have much less memory.

What's not 100% clear to me at this point is if the memory in the memory is really full speed. It would be also interesting to know what the 56Mpts upgrade or the protocol options will cost.

T4P · « **Reply #34 on:** March 23, 2012, 04:31:33 pm »

I know , it's closer to a X2000 but the memory depth on the X2000 series is pathetic .
But the only one it can compare to is a X3000 , and by then , although it has deep memory , it can't compare in terms of wfrms update rate !
The X3000 blows it out of the water , when talking wfrms update rate .
I would really buy the X3024 instead .
And the X3024 compares to the DS4042 which is 533$ cheaper .
Rigol or Agilent , i will give it to Agilent .

RRobot · « **Reply #35 on:** March 23, 2012, 08:48:40 pm »

"And the X3024 compares to the DS4042 which is 533$ cheaper ."

To be fair the Rigol 4 channel 'DS4024' is 2899 USD vs the Agilent DSOX3024A is 4060 USD, So about 1150 USD difference. In addition the Rigol has 70x the memory, a larger screen (that doesn't waste space always showing the menu), VGA and Ethernet (available as added cost on the Agilent) as well as some minor things. On the other hand The Agilent has 10x the WFPM and until August 31, 2012 the Function generator option is free. Personally all things being equal, even if they were priced the same I would say advantage Rigol.

That said I'm looking for a new scope this summer and it will probably be a Agilent X3000 series, not the Rigol.

I have a Rigol DG1022, a DM6061, a DS1204B and have a DSA815-TG on order so I'm not a Rigol hater, but if I'm blowing 4+ grand on something I want after sales support and so-far I am not satisfied with the support I've received. The products have generally performed well, but when I have any questions, it seems I'll get an automated response to my emails promising a followup that never seems to come.

EEVblog · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2012, 09:44:03 pm »

Don't forget that the Agilent's are:
a) Bandwidth upgradable
and
b) Mixed Signal upgradable.

Neither of which the 2000 series Rigol has.

Dave.

T4P · « **Reply #37 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:57:47 am »

Quote from: RRobot on March 23, 2012, 08:48:40 pm

"And the X3024 compares to the DS4042 which is 533$ cheaper ."

To be fair the Rigol 4 channel 'DS4024' is 2899 USD vs the Agilent DSOX3024A is 4060 USD, So about 1150 USD difference. In addition the Rigol has 70x the memory, a larger screen (that doesn't waste space always showing the menu), VGA and Ethernet (available as added cost on the Agilent) as well as some minor things. On the other hand The Agilent has 10x the WFPM and until August 31, 2012 the Function generator option is free. Personally all things being equal, even if they were priced the same I would say advantage Rigol.

That said I'm looking for a new scope this summer and it will probably be a Agilent X3000 series, not the Rigol.

I have a Rigol DG1022, a DM6061, a DS1204B and have a DSA815-TG on order so I'm not a Rigol hater, but if I'm blowing 4+ grand on something I want after sales support and so-far I am not satisfied with the support I've received. The products have generally performed well, but when I have any questions, it seems I'll get an automated response to my emails promising a followup that never seems to come.

On the website it claims that , but going to a trustable shop it is miles ahead in terms of price.

slateraptor · « **Reply #38 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:56:09 am »

Quote from: ljfont on March 23, 2012, 10:57:31 am

Prices from a store in china.

DS2072 6800 Yuan = $1080 USD
DS2102 9800 Yuan = $1555 USD
DS2202 13800 Yuan = $2189 USD

I literally laughed at those price points.

Bored@Work · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2012, 11:40:34 am »

Quote from: slateraptor on March 24, 2012, 07:56:09 am

I literally laughed at those price points.

If these are the prices for the local Chinese market you can expect even higher ones for the rest of the world.

mAJORD · « **Reply #40 on:** March 24, 2012, 01:38:12 pm »

Prices from one store.. I wouldn't automatically assume that's what it will be everywhere..

Still, I wouldn't expect much less than a 1K starting price given Agilents equivilent start at ~$1200

T4P · « **Reply #41 on:** March 24, 2012, 04:07:12 pm »

Quote from: mAJORD on March 24, 2012, 01:38:12 pm

Prices from one store.. I wouldn't automatically assume that's what it will be everywhere..

Still, I wouldn't expect much less than a 1K starting price given Agilents equivilent start at ~$1200

Indeed .
Agilent's site may mark up a 5.9k for the DSOX3024A but E14 is selling it at 5,766 SGD .

With rigol i have seen extremely wide gap of prices .

Dissapointed .

ljfont · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2012, 02:08:55 am »

another store. same prices. oh well..

Galenbo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 22, 2012, 11:44:49 am »

I hope they won't be too cheap.
I just bought a DS1204, and don't want to regret that too fast...

.

olsenn · « **Reply #44 on:** April 22, 2012, 01:08:11 pm »

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I hope they won't be too cheap.
I just bought a DS1204, and don't want to regret that too fast...

The DS1000 series scopes are quite nice (I own a DS1102E) and should last you quite some time. That being said, I think what Rigol started, but seems to be wanting to get away from, is providing a source for test equipment that isn't priced too far off from what it costs to build the thing. I recently purchased a DSA815-TG spectrum analyzer from Rigol, and once again, this is the only option right now for a semi-affordable spectrum analyzer that is actually decent; however, that was $1500, and Rigol seems to be trying to get into the $4000+ market as well.

I hope Rigol continues to make new devices for the $400 - $800 market as well. Most hobbyists can't afford anything much more than that, or wouldn't be able to justify the cost.

hugos31 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 06, 2012, 01:32:25 am »

when will be released DS2000 ? http://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=16203488762& 9,800.00 CNY = 1,557.34 USD

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #46 on:** May 06, 2012, 03:47:43 pm »

Assuming that this doesn't include taxes, this would be around 1400€ including a 19% VAT (or a bit under 1200€ without VAT), which is still a bit cheaper than a Hameg HMO1022 (100MHz, two channels, 2GSa/s, 2MPts), which costs around 1550€ including VAT.
The Rigol has much deeper memory, the Hameg has relatively cheap decoder protocol and MSO upgrade options. Also the Hameg's software seems to be pretty good which I would consider one of the major question marks for the Rigol. So with good software and support, this price would be acceptable.

Then again, compared to a Rigol DS4012, which costs around 1900€ here including 19% VAT, the DS2102 seems too close to that regarding features and price. Maybe it would have been wiser to make the DS2000 line a bit cheaper and more distinct to the DS4000 line.

Anyway, I wished that Rigol decided to release also 4ch scopes in the DS2000 series. At least an LA option would have been nice for serial decoding.

marmad · « **Reply #47 on:** May 06, 2012, 05:19:55 pm »

Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on May 06, 2012, 03:47:43 pm

Then again, compared to a Rigol DS4012, which costs around 1900€ here including 19% VAT, the DS2102 seems too close to that regarding features and price. Maybe it would have been wiser to make the DS2000 line a bit cheaper and more distinct to the DS4000 line.

I don't know... double the real-time sample rate and wfms/s (2GSa/s-50k/wfms/s to 4GSa/s-110k/wfms/s) plus 10x more memory (14Mpts to 140Mpts) seems a reasonably large gap between DS2102 and DS4012 for about a 35% price difference.

Now, if the published prices and specs are correct, and you compare the entry level model with the Agilent DSOX2002a you get:

	Rigol DS2072	Agilent DSOX2002A
Vertical range:	500uV/div to 10V/div	1mV/div to 5V/div
Max. wfms/s:	50k	50k
Memory depth:	14Mpts (56Mpts opt.)	100kpts MAX.
Standard outputs:	USB, LAN, Trigger	USB, Trigger
Price:	$1080 USD	$1230 USD

Plus what appears to be better usage of the same-size screen real estate as the Agilent - and most likely a better selection of triggers (which, let's admit it, are rather lousy on the Agilent 2000X series), and you have what seems to be a considerably better deal than the Agilent (not that I wouldn't mind even lower prices on the Rigols

) Of course, you don't have all the various expensive Agilent upgrade possibilities, but honestly, how many personal users (not companies) actually buy that stuff? If I bought the Agilent 2000X series, the main thing I'd want to upgrade might be memory - which is impossible to do. It's just a pity Rigol didn't include a VGA output as well - that would have put it's price even further from the Agilent DSOX2002A + DSOXLAN module price.

I'm very curious to see how they perform.

M0pmz · « **Reply #48 on:** June 06, 2012, 03:25:26 pm »

Quote from: hugos31 on May 06, 2012, 01:32:25 am

when will DS2000 be released ? 9,800.00 CNY = 1,557.34 USD

…these latest DS2000-series Rigol's seem to be out now, with newer pricing:

e.g. 200MHz DS2202, the 100MHz DS2102 and the 70MHz DS2072 showing up here: http://www.rigol-uk.co.uk/rigol-ds2000-series-digital-oscilloscope/

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #49 on:** June 06, 2012, 04:41:17 pm »

Also the manual is available now on the Rigol site.
Some € prices including VAT:

http://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Zwei-Kanal-Oszilloskope.html
or a bit cheaper here:
http://www.zeitech.de/RIGOL-DS2000-Oszilloskope

1150€ (or 1090€) for the 100MHz model...
Then again, some of the trigger options described in the options seem to be part of an "advanced trigger addon" but these triggers are not described as optional. So this adds another ~224€ (including VAT) on the price if you want to use all triggers as described in the manual.

It's nice however to see that the serial (SPI, I2C, UART) trigger option costs only ~224€ including VAT which is about the same as the HOO11 option for Hameg HMOs. The same (?) packet costs 1500€ on the DS4000.

It's not so nice to see that some of the shortcomings of the DS4000 series seems to be there as well (no way to count number of edges/pulses between the cursors, automatic and manual measurements limited to 4 digits, no way to search in the sample memory).

So I'm still not convinced that the DS2000 is a better choice than an Hameg HMO despite of the seductive record length and much higher wfs/s.


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