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Ridiculously small Rigol DS1000z series font size
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i4004:
ebastler, do you stand in silence when somebody attacks you?
i don't.
(you can also go back to see who attacked who first, if you want)

pa3bca, saying something is wrong without explaining what it is...is that usefull?
and actually i just said the same thing as marmad, but in slightly different words, easier to digest, as you wrote "suspicious" after his reply.
did you get it now? no? i'm still wrong? both me and marmad? is that even possible? i mean for marmad to be wrong?  :palm:

ie

--- Quote ---The higher intensity horizontal bands are equidistant, 6 pixels "normal" then 2 pixels with higher intensity, for a total of 8. Very suspicious
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that would probably be aliasing artefacts, another pointer to crappy resizing.
btw. you didn't say is it influenced by carrier frequency(?)
i think i posted some image that didn't have them...on a much lower freq. some pix by marmad also don't show these...

it's not really about bickering, i'm really surprised by such scaling, and this was the thread it was mentioned in. i also  mentioned it in other threads. anytime somebody mentions jaggies on it, i agree it's poor implementation. sorry about that.  :)
(you will also notice i asked in another old thread if some of it was fixed
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/anomalies-andor-bugs-inbetween-the-rigol-msods1000z-msods2000a-msods4000/msg663516/#msg663516
do you think it would  make sense to start new thread about it? i don't )


cheers
markone:
Sorry if i revive this dead old topic, but i'm really starting to have serious problems reading my DS1074Z panel scope, everytime i use it i get headache (due to my presbyopia) and to not let things getting worst i decided to buy another instrument, similar or superior, with a crisper LCD and bigger fonts.

I use of course corrective lens, but the right tradeoff to stay on front a PC screen and table instrument prevent me to use this lovely little toy, for reference i do not have any problem with other instrument like the old DS1022C, the king of the crap HDG2002B or my spanking new SDG2042X.

Not sure if the Rigol DS2000 is the right answer (never seen one live), i considered Siglent new series SDS1000x & SDS2000x with 8" screens, they seems good for the purpose but functional wise seem A LOT behind Rigol, i'm talking about Capture, Math, Decoding & Analisys capabilities.

My Budget is max 1000 Euro, for a new device, EU market.

Any help, especially from farsighted that owned the 1000Z series and then upgraded, woul be appreciated !
Muxr:

--- Quote from: markone on January 28, 2016, 02:11:22 pm ---Sorry if i revive this dead old topic, but i'm really starting to have serious problems reading my DS1074Z panel scope, everytime i use it i get headache (due to my presbyopia) and to not let things getting worst i decided to buy another instrument, similar or superior, with a crisper LCD and bigger fonts.

I use of course corrective lens, but the right tradeoff to stay on front a PC screen and table instrument prevent me to use this lovely little toy, for reference i do not have any problem with other instrument like the old DS1022C, the king of the crap HDG2002B or my spanking new SDG2042X.

Not sure if the Rigol DS2000 is the right answer (never seen one live), i considered Siglent new series SDS1000x & SDS2000x with 8" screens, they seems good for the purpose but functional wise seem A LOT behind Rigol, i'm talking about Capture, Math, Decoding & Analisys capabilities.

My Budget is max 1000 Euro, for a new device, EU market.

Any help, especially from farsighted that owned the 1000Z series and then upgraded, woul be appreciated !

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I believe Dave has a video review of DS2000 and he puts it next to the 1000Z if I am not mistaken. I have found one next to the DS1052E.



And you can clearly see even despite DS2000 having a bigger screen, the fonts on DS1052E are bigger.

I have a DS2000 and I use it two arm lengths away, without issues. My vision is decent though. However the measurements are really small and I can see some people having issues reading it even on the DS2000. I think it's better than DS1000 but your mileage might vary. Maybe look at some of the other manufacturers.
TomThomas:

--- Quote from: markone on January 28, 2016, 02:11:22 pm ---Sorry if i revive this dead old topic, but i'm really starting to have serious problems reading my DS1074Z panel scope, everytime i use it i get headache (due to my presbyopia) and to not let things getting worst i decided to buy another instrument, similar or superior, with a crisper LCD and bigger fonts.

I use of course corrective lens, but the right tradeoff to stay on front a PC screen and table instrument prevent me to use this lovely little toy, for reference i do not have any problem with other instrument like the old DS1022C, the king of the crap HDG2002B or my spanking new SDG2042X.

Not sure if the Rigol DS2000 is the right answer (never seen one live), i considered Siglent new series SDS1000x & SDS2000x with 8" screens, they seems good for the purpose but functional wise seem A LOT behind Rigol, i'm talking about Capture, Math, Decoding & Analisys capabilities.

My Budget is max 1000 Euro, for a new device, EU market.

Any help, especially from farsighted that owned the 1000Z series and then upgraded, woul be appreciated !

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Hi,
the latest Firmware offers large and EXTRA large font only for Measurements but better than nothing.
Measure -> 2nd Menu -> Font Size

Regards
Tom
markone:

--- Quote from: Muxr on January 28, 2016, 03:13:51 pm ----snip
I have a DS2000 and I use it two arm lengths away, without issues. My vision is decent though. However the measurements are really small and I can see some people having issues reading it even on the DS2000. I think it's better than DS1000 but your mileage might vary. Maybe look at some of the other manufacturers.

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Your answer seems to confirm all my fears, screen reading wise DS2000 is a little better, not the best around and sure not a certain solution, of course i should have to see one "live".

My vision was VERY good till forty years old, then started to slowly decrease, now that i'm almost fifty i need +3.25 diopters to look at 30cm, +2.5 diopters for 50-60cm, +1.25 diopters for far vision.

Normally i keep +2.5D lens for bench work & PC use, soldering of course requires additional correction :'(

Considering that i started with electronic hobby when i was i child, to deal with computer when i was 14 (Sinclair ZX80 & 12" Mivar TV set) and spent gazzilions of hours with electronic bench activity, probably this is the unavoidable bill to pay.

My old DS1022C has the opposite problem, very LARGE dot pixel, i can read its screen in any condition, like the other toy that i used at home, the ATTEN ADS1102CAL (Siglent SDS1102CNL).

The DS1074Z was a shock at first run, fonts seems like a joke to me and the fact that the lateral menus are fixed does not help at all, obviously ten years ago It would be a complete different experience, but here we are, the clock says fifty.

The other scope models that i took in consideration (within 1K euro) are :

SIGLENT SDS1102X
SIGLENT SDS2072/4X
RIGOL DS1072A

I do not like at all OWON scopes for their huge plastic feeling, i do not want to consider any Hantek product after the purchase of the HDG2002B (the Firmware is a joke) and SIGLENT ones have quite limited math, capture and decoding functional capabilities compared to Rigol.

I'm not able to find SDS2000x reviews on the web, but reading the user manual and watching brand's ADs seems quite similar to SDS1102x, memory size/MSO option apart, with the very same LCD panel, but i may be wrong, of course.

Sincerely i was expecting a bit more on this front with the last Siglent scope X series, it's like they do not take in account what people find as plus in competitor equip. on the same segment, like the Rigol DS2000 series (that is on the market from a while),  it would be only matter to add some basic functionality in scope SW.


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