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marmad:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 29, 2014, 02:29:15 pm ---But I do not see that kind of issue on my 1074Z, the blacks and whites of the 1072Z are not very different from the 2072. Also my closeups do not show "whitened" black and "blackened" white.. At least I do not see this.

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?? I'm using YOUR photos of YOUR DS1000Z in my post to prove my point. Again, if you can't see the difference in 'true' black taken from your very own photos - either your eyes aren't very good or your computer monitor is not color-calibrated.


--- Quote ---What I do see is that the pixels themselves are a bit more fuzzy on the 1072Z. But closer inspection suggests that is entirely because the pixels are smaller and thus get more blurred by the screen (in front of the pixels)
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Again, I don't understand why you're having a problem seeing or understanding zoomed portions from your own images: the DS1000Z is clearly suffering from worse sub-pixel aliasing - resulting in more color-fringing; i.e. "fuzziness". It seems obvious to me.
marmad:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 29, 2014, 03:18:49 pm ---Attached two 1:1 macro shots of both scopes.
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I'm afraid zooming in even closer does not prove anything to me about how the DSO screens look at a normal distance (other than if you press your eyeball to either screen, they are equivalent)  ;D

I'm done arguing this point - we just fundamentally disagree. I think I've posted enough proof so that anyone with a calibrated IPS or PLS monitor can see exactly what I'm talking about - and my position has remained consistent, whether just viewing the DSOs from a distance or examining normal close-ups of the screen.

But your position went from:


--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 28, 2014, 10:49:42 pm ---...the 1074 display....looks crisp and sharp to me.
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to:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 29, 2014, 02:29:15 pm ---...the pixels themselves are a bit more fuzzy on the 1072Z.
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Anyway, have a good weekend!
pa3bca:

--- Quote from: marmad on November 29, 2014, 02:43:53 pm ---?? I'm using YOUR photos of YOUR DS1000Z in my post to prove my point. Again, if you can't see the difference in 'true' black taken from your very own photos - either your eyes aren't very good or your computer monitor is not color-calibrated.

Again, I don't understand why you're having a problem seeing or understanding zoomed portions from your own images: the DS1000Z is clearly suffering from worse sub-pixel aliasing - resulting in more color-fringing; i.e. "fuzziness". It seems obvious to me.

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Attached two 1:1 macro shots of both scopes.
- the intensity level of black in both shots differs indeed somewhat. Closer inspection reveals that on the 1074Z the green subpixels are brighter than on the 2072! (Red and blue are abt the same, intensity=3 according to Adobe Lightroom). Green on the 1074Z is almost 7!. The green 1074Z "black" subpixels are now quite obvious there (but I admit I had to look at the shots with another monitor  >:( )
- the intensity levels of the pixels are also the same (abt 75 per color) so abt equal intensity.
nb: in both shots the pixels look fuzzy. This is not the result of a focus issue or a bad quality lens (nothing wrong with my macro lens). It look like the fuzziness is a result of the structure of the glass in front of the pixels. This is as sharp as I can get it

Now if you look at the (sub)pixels of both shot you can see (at least I think) that:
- the layout of the rgb subpixels differs indeed. The subpixels on the 2072 are vertically aligned, on the 1074Z they are not. Funny that there seems to be no standard pattern, sometimes a green subpixel on the right of a red subpixels is higher, on other locations it is lower...

2072:

1074Z:

Looking at the macro shots it still seems to me that the greater fuzziness of the 1074Z is mostly a result of the glass screen combined with the slightly smaller pixels, and not (so much) of the layout of the subpixels. I can not see a different algorithm for using subpixels in constructing the letters ??

pa3bca:

--- Quote from: marmad on November 29, 2014, 03:31:14 pm ---But your position went from:


--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 28, 2014, 10:49:42 pm ---...the 1074 display....looks crisp and sharp to me.
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to:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 29, 2014, 02:29:15 pm ---...the pixels themselves are a bit more fuzzy on the 1072Z.
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Anyway, have a good weekend!

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Not necessarily a contradiction. I still think it is sharp (enough), but not as sharp as on the 2072.
Sharp and sharper.
And a good weekend to you too  :)
marmad:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 29, 2014, 03:35:21 pm ---Not necessarily a contradiction. I still think it is sharp (enough), but not as sharp as on the 2072.
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Perhaps. But also perhaps picking nits.  ;)

I'll remind you that my original post which prompted this round of arguing and photo investigation merely stated:


--- Quote from: marmad on November 28, 2014, 03:08:32 pm ---(the DS1000Z)...seems a little bit less sharp (although that might just be an optical illusion due to it's smaller size).

...due to the (camera) viewing angle...the DS1000Z screen looks slightly more washed-out than normal
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