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Ridiculously small Rigol DS1000z series font size
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pa3bca:

--- Quote from: i4004 on November 30, 2014, 08:01:39 pm ---the fonts and subpixel rendering look simillar, but z uses different graphics elements.
for example
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1000z-series-font-size/msg559826/#msg559826
background on the z has 3 shades, 2k just one. the border element (around word "normal") is not the same on both scopes. the contrast is too  much on z images. but that couls also be camera in the auto mode making different adjustments etc.

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No.. all comparative shots were taken with the camera on full manual and identical settings, including focal distance and ambient lighting. The 1074Z is just brighter (as already established).
i4004:
yeah, it's hard to focus this stuff, in the end i just put the lens on the scope without any external light....

i was kinda expecting it would be like focusing pixels on lcd screen(easy), but this is much smaller.

either way, scopes differ in displays, and in graphic layout (it's simpler on 2k) and this makes for those subtle differences one can see.
pa3bca:

--- Quote from: i4004 on November 30, 2014, 08:01:39 pm ---no. in my book you have something like this
http://televisions.reviewed.com/how_we_test
( Konica Minolta CS-200 Chroma Meter )
and measure both displays. science should be DIRECT. it's simpler that way, isn't it?
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Although my DSLR and macro lens are not specifically designed for these kinds of measurements I do claim that my method of comparing the screens in macro mode is scientific.
Both shots were taken with identical (manual) settings, and at identical focal distance. Also ambient light was minimized. The absolute values of the intensity of the pixels (both on and off) may not be accurate (uncalibrated) but the visible and measurable difference is. And with a macrolens the 1074Z does bleed visibly in the black (mostly the green sub-pixels).
BUT: is this really visible and the prime cause of the washed out display some people complain about. Here it becomes subjective, and I for one do not think my 1074z looks washed out. Admittedly I did en do not even notice a different blackness between my 2072 en my 1074 in normal ambient light. Either I have bad eyes or an above normal excellent 1074z specimen  :)
But the font on the 1074Z is absolutely fuzzier than on the 2072.
mamalala:

--- Quote from: i4004 on November 30, 2014, 08:23:09 pm ---green is lower or higher. it's not aligned.
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Not only green, all three  colours are alternating the  horizontal position in two patterns. It's quite  visible in the images. Its like:

| G  |R B| G  |
|R B|  G |R B|

Greetings,

Chris
marmad:

--- Quote from: pa3bca on November 30, 2014, 09:37:37 pm ---BUT: is this really visible and the prime cause of the washed out display some people complain about. Here it becomes subjective, and I for one do not think my 1074z looks washed out.
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Let's rewind for a minute. Has anyone else actually complained that the DS1000Z display is washed-out (in the classic sense of the term)? As I mentioned above, I first wrote that the display was washed out because of my camera angle to the LCD. You erroneously repeated my comment as if I was stating that the display was "washed-out" (which I wasn't). I erroneously re-used your mistaken comment to indicate the problem that I perceived with the blacks and whites (when compared to the DS2000) - although I tried to correct my misuse in a later post.

The DS1000Z display is not washed out. But the blacks and whites are a little further from 'true' than the DS2000 display.


--- Quote ---Admittedly I did en do not even notice a different blackness between my 2072 en my 1074 in normal ambient light. Either I have bad eyes or an above normal excellent 1074z specimen  :)
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Nope, sorry, you don't have an above normal DS1000Z screen  :)  I saw (and continue to see) the difference in blacks between the two DSOs in your photos (just as I see it in the two DSOs in front of me). Then again, as I mentioned, I'm extremely sensitive to it (having taught in graphics for years) - so i would agree that it's not a big deal.


--- Quote ---But the font on the 1074Z is absolutely fuzzier than on the 2072.

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Yes. And I believe it's due to minor fringing - although it's unclear exactly what the root cause is (and not really important).
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