RIGOL DS1102Z-E

[caheo]

Desperate attempts:

HSAA
PSAA

haha, both of them are NULL

[tv84]

So, I would conclude that 200MHz is not an option.  It's like failure...   

[caheo]

So, I would conclude that 200MHz is not an option.  It's like failure...   

I think so as well... sadly

[Fungus]

So, I would conclude that 200MHz is not an option.  It's like failure...   

I think so as well... sadly

I find it very hard to believe. The only way to be sure would be to open up one of each and look at the components.

[tv84]

Maybe a memdump from a DS1202Z-E is sufficient...

[caheo]

Maybe a memdump from a DS1202Z-E is sufficient...

Is there a chance which I need to change my device to DS1202Z-E model to make it work???

[Microdoser]

After doing my own attempts I became certain it was not possible to get 200Mhz out of a 1102Z-E. I have watched with interest and hope but I still remain certain that it is not possible with this scope.

If anyone does a teardown of both or knows where teardowns of both might be, I would be very interested in seeing them but I suspect there will be vital differences.

[Fungus]

Another way to test this would be for a 200MHz model owner to try to downgrade theirs.   

[tv84]

@caheo,

Test these options and report:

ASA9
BSA9
CSA9

[caheo]

@caheo,

Test these options and report:

ASA9
BSA9
CSA9

ASA9 Invalid license
BSA9 Invalid license
CSA9 Invalid license
RS39 Invalid license

[calli]

Hi,

just got my 1102Z-E.

What I mentioned is that there are LEDs under the plastic below the CH1 CH2 buttons, they light up shortly during boot.

I wonder: Is the DG (Function gen?) usable when set free?

And what is the Power Analysator?

Oh Edit/BTW: Is there a newer Firmware version than my 00.06.02?

BTW2: I find the Multipurpose Knob very sensitive... Often changing the selection during enter/press

Best,
Carsten

[caheo]

Hi,

just got my 1102Z-E.

What I mentioned is that there are LEDs under the plastic below the CH1 CH2 buttons, they light up shortly during boot.
I noticed these leds as well
I wonder: Is the DG (Function gen?) usable when set free?

And what is the Power Analysator?

Oh Edit/BTW: Is there a newer Firmware version than my 00.06.02?
Not what I am aware of

BTW2: I find the Multipurpose Knob very sensitive... Often changing the selection during enter/press
It's true and I think it's just normal for me
Best,
Carsten

[Microdoser]

Hi,

just got my 1102Z-E.

What I mentioned is that there are LEDs under the plastic below the CH1 CH2 buttons, they light up shortly during boot.

I also see those four LED lights on boot. These match the position of four buttons on a DS1104Z which suggests they share common circuitry behind the front panel.

This raises the question:

Can a DS1104Z be hacked to 200MHz?

[calli]

I still wonder if I can use a code to have a function gen? Or ist the 1102 just lacking the HW?

And whats the Power Analyser OPtion?

Best,
Carsten

[Fungus]

I still wonder if I can use a code to have a function gen? Or ist the 1102 just lacking the HW?

Function gen needs more chips on the PCB.

[Fungus]

I also see those four LED lights on boot. These match the position of four buttons on a DS1104Z which suggests they share common circuitry behind the front panel.

Yep. The PSB with the buttons will be common to all models.

Can a DS1104Z be hacked to 200MHz?

No.

(and you wouldn't want a 4-channel, 200Mhz 'scope with only 1GS/sec, it breaks Fourier theory).

[Microdoser]

I also see those four LED lights on boot. These match the position of four buttons on a DS1104Z which suggests they share common circuitry behind the front panel.

Yep. The PSB with the buttons will be common to all models.

Can a DS1104Z be hacked to 200MHz?

No.

(and you wouldn't want a 4-channel, 200Mhz 'scope with only 1GS/sec, it breaks Fourier theory).

Then IMO a sharing of some internals lends credence to the idea that the DS1102Z-E can't be hacked to 200MHz. It seems more likely the DS1102Z-E is a stripped down version of the DS1104Z than a stripped down version of a 200MHz capable scope.

[tv84]

But, then what is a DS1202Z-E ?

[Fungus]

But, then what is a DS1202Z-E ?

You can do 200Mhz when you only have two channels - 1Gsample/sec divided by two doesn't break Fourier.

[Microdoser]

But, then what is a DS1202Z-E ?

Fair point. So the thing to check, for pointers on unlocking a DS1102Z-E, is how to limit a DS1202Z-E to 100MHz and then unlock that back to 200MHz.

[nightfire]

As I noted the DS1102Z-e being available on german amazon, I wondered if anyone could share some experience in daily handling.

My use would be a beginner to a DSO to get additional coverage of routine measurements, like jitter on some USB Power supplies etc. - and on my bucket list for the future I still have the item: Measurement of the burning time of a photographic flash by converting the light with a photodiode and measure that with an oscilloscope...
(Flash duration is about between 1/10000 sec and 1/100 sec for slower studio flashheads, meaning some duration betwwen 10 ms and 0,1ms)

For the price of about 260 € for Prime members including shipping, I cannot complain, and if I really would feel the need for a better scope, I would know what I have to buy and won't have much loss of value by selling it after a short time...

Opinions?

[Fungus]

As I noted the DS1102Z-e being available on german amazon, I wondered if anyone could share some experience in daily handling.

My use would be a beginner to a DSO to get additional coverage of routine measurements, like jitter on some USB Power supplies etc. - and on my bucket list for the future I still have the item: Measurement of the burning time of a photographic flash by converting the light with a photodiode and measure that with an oscilloscope...
(Flash duration is about between 1/10000 sec and 1/100 sec for slower studio flashheads, meaning some duration betwwen 10 ms and 0,1ms)

For the price of about 260 € for Prime members including shipping, I cannot complain, and if I really would feel the need for a better scope, I would know what I have to buy and won't have much loss of value by selling it after a short time...

Opinions?

Timing of pulses can be done to about 4 nanosecond resolution. It will definitely be able to do those things.

Handling? It's just a DS1054Z but with less channels. There's a lot of information about the DS1054Z online.

[Frank Barella]

Hello maseryoda. Could you please tell me where did you find the DS1102Z-E at 215€??I think it's a very good price, Thanks!

[square74]

Hello maseryoda. Could you please tell me where did you find the DS1102Z-E at 215€??I think it's a very good price, Thanks!

same question for me.
Scope is on Rigol-Shop EU, but only with payment creditcard.
https://shop.rigol.eu/product-digital-oscilloscope-ds1102z-e

I would like to buy one, but with paypal or Klarna.

Would like to know, where to buy, maybe in Europe.
Thanks.

[nightfire]

I got mine this week from Amazon Germany- as Prime Customer the price difference is not much different considering Rigol EU charges some additional €€€ for shipping.