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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2019, 09:37:57 am »
Makes good sense from their point of view, and I am sure Rigol checked that they had enough DS2000E customers to justify a replacement model. But I agree that the DS1202Z-E doesn't add anything new to their offering.

It's a lot cheaper than a DS2000E, if that's their target.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2020, 08:31:22 am »
I'm considering this Rigol DS1202Z-E or Siglent SDS1202X-E. Is there anyone who could share some experience and help me decide? Thanks.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2020, 09:05:14 am »
Decent review here: https://www.microfarad.de/blog/oscilloscope-comparison/

It's the DS1054Z but cross out two channels in your mind and double the bandwidth and it's the same.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2020, 09:33:29 pm »
Hi all, I am looking at this compared to the SDS1202X-E trying to decide between them.

one thing I have not been able to find out is if the DS1202Z-E is based off the hardware of the old DS1054Z or is it new. any real world feedback on this scope.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2020, 09:36:53 pm »
I swapped my Rigol out for a SDS1202X-E in the end and it is a much much much nicer scope IMHO. Rigol feels like a piece of crap compared to it especially from a software perspective.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #80 on: April 26, 2020, 06:36:28 pm »
Hi, All! I bought this stuff recently and have problem with external trigger- it is not work. Anybody can test it?
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2020, 06:12:37 am »
Hi, All! I bought this stuff recently and have problem with external trigger- it is not work. Anybody can test it?

Can I test your machine from here? No, sorry, we're confined at home because of coronavirus.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2020, 07:00:45 am »
I meant to test on your oscilloscope) maybe it is bug for this model
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2020, 09:24:56 am »
Product page on batterfly is up.

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€

I see HDMI out.

Biggest problem is they didn't up the sampling rate to 2Gs/S :(
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2020, 12:05:28 pm »
Product page on batterfly is up.

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€

I see HDMI out.

Biggest problem is they didn't up the sampling rate to 2Gs/S :(
I don't get why this is any better than a DS1054Z with 'upgraded' bandwidth.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #85 on: April 28, 2020, 04:41:46 am »
It is very tempting with the current discount, I almost bought it, but.... From what I read it is a cosmetic modification of ds1054z. The latter is 5 years old so I assume it is nearing the end of production. Now why would a company bother to release a "new" product on a 5 years old hardware is beyond me. I think i will either go for Siglent sds1202x-e of wait for a true new version of Rigol.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #86 on: April 28, 2020, 03:29:45 pm »
And why would you pay the same for half as many channels?
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #87 on: April 28, 2020, 04:11:43 pm »
And why would you pay the same for half as many channels?
Maybe because of 4 times  faster rise time  1.75 ns vs 7.0 ns ?
And it is not actually the same. Currently it is $50 cheaper at least in the US.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2020, 11:31:59 pm »
And why would you pay the same for half as many channels?
Maybe because of 4 times  faster rise time  1.75 ns vs 7.0 ns ?
And it is not actually the same. Currently it is $50 cheaper at least in the US.
Is that true after the 'upgrade' to DS1204Z?
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #89 on: May 04, 2020, 12:17:48 am »
Hi, I'm the proud owner of a DS1052E which had served me very well for the last 7 or 8 years. However with the current discount in Rigol DS1202Z-E (2ch, 1GSa/s, 200mhz, 24Mpts, $299) https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/1000z/ and Siglent SDS1202X-E (2ch, 1GSa/s, 200mhz, 14Mpts, $379) https://siglentna.com/product/sds1202x-e/ I'm kind of in the fence to get one of them. Hardware specs are more than what I need for my hobby use case "flashing leds in Arduino" :-DD, I also don't need 4ch and I own a genuine Saleae LA. So I just wonder which one has a better more intuitive UI, less bugs and is more likely to receive future firmware updates.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #90 on: May 04, 2020, 12:40:54 am »
Hi, I'm the proud owner of a DS1052E which had served me very well for the last 7 or 8 years. However with the current discount in Rigol DS1202Z-E (2ch, 1GSa/s, 200mhz, 24Mpts, $299) https://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/1000z/ and Siglent SDS1202X-E (2ch, 1GSa/s, 200mhz, 14Mpts, $379) https://siglentna.com/product/sds1202x-e/ I'm kind of in the fence to get one of them. Hardware specs are more than what I need for my hobby use case "flashing leds in Arduino" :-DD, I also don't need 4ch and I own a genuine Saleae LA. So I just wonder which one has a better more intuitive UI, less bugs and is more likely to receive future firmware updates.
In your case, I would just go with the cheapest option (Rigol)
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #91 on: May 04, 2020, 08:01:06 am »
SDS1202X-E is less like cheese grating your testicles from a usability perspective.
 
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #92 on: May 04, 2020, 08:30:18 am »
SDS1202X-E is less like cheese grating your testicles from a usability perspective.
Until it goes wrong and you want support; then it's like trying to get blood out of a stone.

Metaphors abound!

Seriously, I keep seeing these comments about how awful the Rigols are, how the UI is so slow it's unusable.  I own a DS2072, DS1054Z, and an MSO5074; they all get the job done and I'm happy I bought them. I don't sit there waiting for the scope to respond to key strokes. I bought a new SDS1202X-E and it had a problem which was caused by missing capacitors on the PCB; I had to argue with the NA Sales manager to (eventually) get my money back.

Sure, mine is one data point but, if you're going to criticize Rigols, at least try to be a little bit objective.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #93 on: May 04, 2020, 09:33:38 am »
Being ojective I owned, err three DS1054Z's and now an SDS1202X-E.

We have a decent reseller here who will deal with stuff if there's a problem.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #94 on: May 04, 2020, 10:13:57 am »
Seriously, I keep seeing these comments about how awful the Rigols are, how the UI is so slow it's unusable.  I own a DS2072, DS1054Z, and an MSO5074; they all get the job done and I'm happy I bought them. I don't sit there waiting for the scope to respond to key strokes.

Me either. I just don't get it.

The vertical control could respond a bit better, sure, but it does move the trace and I don't ever recall it preventing me from taking a measurement. Not once.

The menus and stuff? They're not sluggish or slow at all.

I'm much more annoyed by things like having to push the multifunction knob to make a selection. It's an awful way to do things, and the Siglent doesn't fix that.

The Siglents also make it very painful to do the most basic things like enable on-screen measurements. The Rigol has a dedicated column of buttons down the left side for this. The Siglent makes you go into a popup menu and do endless twiddling of the twisty knob to move around a grid of measurements enabling/disabling them.

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To show the same process on a Siglent I'd need to make a whole instructional video. Cheese grater indeed.


Edit: You can see the process of enabling measurements on a Siglent in this video at the 4:23 mark:



"Ok, let's get back out of that..." fumble, fumble.

How about we never go into that in the first place?
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #95 on: May 04, 2020, 11:13:48 am »
Actually not quite as easy with the Rigols...

1. Push top button to get horizontal or vertical measurements
2. whop the fiddly up/down button to scroll through the entire list three times while squinting because you can't ID the difference between Vpk and Vmax measurement due to low pixel count fonts and shitty graphics
3. press the right one.
4. Swear it it because it wasn't set on the right channel because the visual cues as to what channel you are on are crap. I mean light blue and dark blue - seriously?!
5. Do the channel dance.
6. Go to 1 until you get the right channel.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2020, 02:10:49 pm »
4. Swear it it because it wasn't set on the right channel because the visual cues as to what channel you are on are crap. I mean light blue and dark blue - seriously?!

I never had a problem with that. Besides the large higlighted channel indicator at the bottom of the screen, also all measurement icons change their lettering color to indicate the channel which is currently selected, and which the measurements refer to. So that information is right where I'm looking anyway.

And while Rigol's choice of channel colors is certainly a matter of personal taste, I won't complain. At least I have no problem telling them apart, despite of my red/green color blindness. Red/orange/yellow/green/brown would have been bad choices from my perspective, and out of these "difficult" colors, Rigol uses only one.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2020, 06:35:36 pm »
out of these "difficult" colors, Rigol uses only one.

So does the Siglent...  :palm:

(nb. Both of them do it on the last channel so it's the least commonly used)
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2020, 06:45:50 pm »
I won't complain. At least I have no problem telling them apart, despite of my red/green color blindness.

Would Siglent's green fourth channel cause you more difficulty than Rigol's blue?
 
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #99 on: May 04, 2020, 06:53:01 pm »
Funny that the "two blue" trace color topic has surfaced again. That's my Number One complaint about my Rigol DS4000 series scope. Lots of other small things I'd change if I could, but seriously... there is a whole spectrum of colors available. Why two shades of blue?!? This is especially frustrating when capturing a screenshot to a file. I've lost count of the times I've had to (re)explain to someone that "No, I mean the OTHER blue trace".

Seems like a firmware update could make the trace color selectable. Can't be that difficult, and would involve (nearly) zero extra real-time processing once the color was selected.
 


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