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Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« on: October 03, 2019, 07:09:14 pm »
Rigol just announced this. Same price as DS1054Z.



Chinese news page.

Batterfly tweeted about it today.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2019, 07:29:11 pm »
I wonder if it uses their new ASIC?

Maybe there's going to be a matching DS1104-E that can be hacked to 200Mhz. 


Edit: No, according to Google translate it just looks like a 200Mhz bandwidth version of the DS1054Z. Maybe they're aiming at the 2-channel, 200MHz Siglent. :popcorn:

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 11:27:15 am »
New toy!!

I think this adds some weight to the value of Siglent's SDS1202X-E... Rigol finally responded.

Love the new designation:  DS1054Z + SDS1202X-E = DS1202Z-E
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 11:59:45 am »
I think this adds some weight to the value of Siglent's SDS1202X-E... Rigol finally responded.

A lot of people come in here thinking two channels is enough but want high bandwidth so I guess this makes sense.


 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 05:04:46 am »
Changes....Looks to be higher bandwidth and that’s about all.  According to google translate of the original rigol page.  The Siglent introduced quite a few changes.   IMHO Rigol would have to pitch any 4 channel version much cheaper than the siglent to compete.   let’s see.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 11:26:21 am »
New toy!!

I think this adds some weight to the value of Siglent's SDS1202X-E... Rigol finally responded.

Love the new designation:  DS1054Z + SDS1202X-E = DS1202Z-E

It depends a lot on how outside China price is after goverment subvention to Rigol for export.

It must be LOT of more cheap than Siglent SDS1202X-E. Because its performance is (or looks like now due to lack of more deep info) lot of below it. Yes, Riglol have 24M max acquisition lenght when Siglents max is 14M (and this is just only one thing, some times important but...).  Siglent have in waveform buffer up to over 54M but it is then other thing.
No any sign if they finally have gone out from very limiting measurements intermediate buffer length.
Also perhaps still total lack of fast segmented acquisition or more long FFT. No any sign if front end is less noisy than 4 channel models  or if it can decode full memory length including also captures in memory (in this some kind of "frame recorder" what it have)
Siglent have always seamless working backround working waveform buffer and a<ll these wafms can full meas, math, decode etc)  And same things can do for fast sequence (max over 400kwfm/s) mode captured waveforms. 
All measurements can use full memory length so full current samplerate time time resolution even with low time bases.
And Siglent 2 channel model have separate vertical adjustments.

But it all is: what is Rigol price. If it is 200 or 300 and Siglent is 400 then user need think if Siglent some special functions/features and performance is worth for extra money.  If they are nearly same, then 99% Siglent walk over it easy. Except if one need Rigol nameplate and it is morfe important than other things. It is fully: what things user need.

If prices are ok and match with features and performance then both are good one for other and one for some other, depending user needs and I like red vs I like blue things.

But if think example very old Rigol DS1052E, this is totally BIG step over it.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2019, 06:07:06 am »
Product page on batterfly is up.

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€

I see HDMI out.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2019, 06:27:36 am »
I see HDMI out.

Where?

I see that Batterfly has linked to a performance verification guide:

https://www.batterfly.com/PDF/RIGOL/ds1000ze/DS1000Z-E_PerformanceVerificationGuide_EN.pdf

It uses Fluke equipment (Fluke 9500B).  :-DD
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 07:10:17 am »
Top right.

EDIT : Wrong image provided by Batterfly  :palm:

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2019, 07:10:58 am »
I see HDMI out.

Where?
On one of the images but it's not listed as one of the I/O's in the datasheet.  :-//
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 07:17:51 am »

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€
Same price as SDS1202X-E but with 1/3 of the wfp/s ?  :-//

Wonder if it still uses the Z processor as nothing is specified for FFT Mpts.  :-//
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 07:57:20 am »
it's not the right image ... we are going to change now ... NO HDMI available on DS1202Z-E
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 08:01:31 am »
Top right.

It's not on the sales brochure:

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(in fact that looks like a totally different oscilloscope on the web site, looks like Batterfly have goofed...)

 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 08:06:58 am »

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€
Same price as SDS1202X-E but with 1/3 of the wfp/s ?  :-//

Nope.

Batterfly sells the SDS1202X-E for 499,00€ (Price incl 22% VAT: 608,78€)

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/testandmeasurement/oscilloscopi/200MHz/siglent-sds1202x

That's nearly 50% more than the Rigol.


Edit: My bad, that's the 1202X, not the 1202X-E.

The 1202X-E goes for 325,00€ + VAT, ie. slightly less than this new Rigol.

I'm not sure what Rigol pretends with this new model, apart from filling the "2-channel, 200MHz" gap in their lineup. It's obviously a case of too little, too late though.  :-//

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 08:07:33 am »
Top right.

It's not on the sales brochure:

[attachimg=1]

(in fact that looks like a totally different oscilloscope on the web site, looks like Batterfly have goofed...)
Thanks Fungus, in fact we had a marketing package with the wrong image :( we are waiting for the new image to upload on our website.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2019, 08:08:32 am »

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Price NET:
339,00€
Price incl 22% VAT: 413,58€
Same price as SDS1202X-E but with 1/3 of the wfp/s ?  :-//
Your link goes to SDS120X and not to SDS1202X-E (too many models)
Nope.

Batterfly sells the SDS1202X-E for 499,00€ (Price incl 22% VAT: 608,78€)

https://www.batterfly.com/shop/en/testandmeasurement/oscilloscopi/200MHz/siglent-sds1202x

That's nearly 50% more than the Rigol.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2019, 08:20:59 am »
I think more important question is, does Dave have it yet or on the way to him ?

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2019, 08:24:18 am »
Why no black case? It's 2019. Everything should be in a black case now :-DD
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2019, 08:25:11 am »
I think more important question is, does Dave have it yet or on the way to him ?

I doubt it. This really doesn't feel like anything important or game changing.

If they release an entry-level model with the new ASIC then we might be talking.
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2019, 09:38:10 am »
Interesting move on Rigol portfolio :
They retire 2000 E series and introduces 1000 E .
4000 E model still available .
DS1202Z-E is not listed as Ultra-Vision2 technology so I think it not based on new ASIC ...
It seem to be based on old platform (1 GSa single channel / 500 Msa dual channel) , no hack need (all options active).
 

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2019, 09:56:46 am »
Why no black case? It's 2019. Everything should be in a black case now :-DD
Hello, in fact as you can see the RIGOL logo is blue and not black and yellow. You can find the same blue logo on DP832 and also in the most recent RSA3000E.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2019, 10:13:24 am »
Why no black case? It's 2019. Everything should be in a black case now :-DD
Hello, in fact as you can see the RIGOL logo is blue and not black and yellow. You can find the same blue logo on DP832 and also in the most recent RSA3000E.

On the Rigol 2100 E is the same blue label . All E series have blue logo ... E mean Educational or Economic ... ?
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2019, 10:24:40 am »
Interesting move on Rigol portfolio ...

... no hack need (all options active).

Hmm ... if .. a big IF that Rigol is "intentionally" hiding a trick up their sleeve, like the previous models hack, wonder what would that be ?  :popcorn:

For sure, business wise and such tactic works , its a fact, especially hurting it's competitors at low end fronts.

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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2019, 10:59:18 am »
We have now loaded the correct image.
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Re: Rigol DS1202Z-E entry level scope (200MHz, 2 channel)
« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2019, 11:31:21 am »
We have now loaded the correct image.

 :)

One question: Does ti come with all the serial decoders, etc., that were optional on the Rigol DS1054Z?

« Last Edit: October 14, 2019, 11:35:42 am by Fungus »
 


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