PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?
Can you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?
PA0PBZ, you can select the 50 Ohm option?
No, it is on the screen in the CH menu but it is fixed at 1M. Not surprisingly because the firmware is the same as the version 1 hardware.
QuoteCan you upload an image of the LA zone with more resolution?
Yes, I will do that when I get home tonight. The scope is still in exploded view. ;)
Maybe someone should give them a friendly poke and suggest they turn those heat sinks the right way up, now they are at it... :palm:
Well, there's a fan on one of the sides, so...
well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.
well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.
well, if 50R is only available in MSO, then it could make sense to hack that DSO to MSO (even with no FPGA populated) to get it enabled.
Maybe, but the models are not on the market yet so there will be no firmware available, this one still runs on the hardware version 1 firmware. I wonder if you have the same non-functional 1M input button on that hardware...?
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This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.Hi all I also have attached 2 pics with the above setting on my DS2072 V2.0 Hardware.
Type of test: Noise floor.
Results of Hardware Ver. 1.0.1.0.0:
(1):
1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and, only on CH1.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time= 500us, Trigger level=0V.
4. Cursor On, mode Y, Set cursor to the maximum of the signal, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf.
(2):
1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and only on CH1.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time= 2ns, Trigger level= between 500uV and 600uV
4. Cursor On, mode Y, Set cursor to the maximum of the signal, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf.
In red, (Trigger level) Find the worst case.
Hi Carrington, moving the trigger between 500 to 600 and I get very much the same results of my pic2.
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try CHAN1:IMP FIFTY
I will as soon as I hook it up again, but the return value of 0MEG doesn't give much hope anyway.
it is "OMEG", not "0MEG" and it is exactly what the firmware have to return. The "FIFTY" is another one possible value in the firmware.
My Pictures :)
(1) Is now the same as the others, (2) shows a bit less noise and the trigger is set to 500uV, it triggers about once every second. Above 500uV it does not trigger at all.
it will return what has been coded into the firmware, and when you look inside you will find "OMEG" and "FIFTY".
The "O" in "OMEG" menas nothing else than "one", so everything fine. Sure, 1MEG could be good as well, but the number "1" in string is probably what they tried to avoid.
Do you use a Hex viewer to see directly inside the gel file? Snoopers, LOL...can use strings, or an editor yes
Do you have a idea of where is keep the serial number? And how change it?I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.
I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.
No; probably in the NAND.I would like to work on this, but nobody seems interested in doing a JTAG dump of fw nor helping me get some working binaries of the blackfin IDA parts (cybernet likely has them, I can't compile them by instruction, the closest I got was with VS2008 but the resulting binaries didn't work). There may be a menu or config file to set this but without being able to work with the fw, I can't do shit.
Not stored in the FRAM?
I can't do the dump via JTAG, becasue I don't have the equipment for do it. ???
This is very interesting, it reminds me to the "jumpers" of the DS4000, but it is less obvious.
Ha ha, they are not in the same position.
I see, but where is the trick? I mean, what did you do?
I need a JTAG, but I have no desire to go crazy looking for the best value for money for a JTAG.http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml (http://www.amontec.com/jtagkey-tiny.shtml)
Any recommendations.
Paul, where did you get your scope from??
When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!
Seems do-able to stuff a relay and resistor at the input, but what circuit do the switching??
Not having 50 ohm on my new scope is like have a pebble in my shoe :'(
But honestly could just do as good with a 50 ohm feed thru load.
Paul, where did you get your scope from??
When I asked my supplier why I got a rev 1, he said Rigol.eu did not have any v2 in stock and did not know when it would ship!
Unfortunately I don't have a VNA, only a scalar one. But I can do a return loss on my SA, see the attachment.
tom66: What brand do you recommend for replace them? :-/O
Any of Panasonic (FR, FM, FC), Rubycon (YXF, ZLH, ZLJ, ZLK), Nichicon (PW, PM), United Chemicon (KY).Thanks, I take note.
From best to very good.
Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?Yes, I think. And far as I know DS2000A=DS2000
Anyone happen to know if HW 2 is out in the US yet or is that what they're referring to as the 2000A series?Yes, I think. And far as I know DS2000A=DS2000
Is the only major feature the 50 ohm terminator? Any improvements to things like noise floor?
But from what I've seen, the LA is a large FPGA+buffers, not easily modded in later, and the FG probably won't be a user-accessible add on. So I can't see any difference myself?And how about the new routing on the PCB or the new arrangement of components and small parts that have been added or removed.
So, anyone have a detailed list of what actually changed? I see the 50R termination option, and seemingly a header for an LA... anything else?
Trying to figure out if I should just buy a 2072 now, or wait for the rev 2. I do plan to "hack" it.
Thanks!
DS2000A -> HW improved. -> More than probable.
Ugh. Do I spot CapXon on that power supply?
I have pulled and replaced hundreds of those absolutely abysmal capacitors.
EPCOS = So-so
CapXon = Terrible
Why Rigol, why? Clearly no care to keep instruments functioning long past the warranty period.
Is it improvement or cost cutting?I am afraid of cost cutting.
Just a data point ...
Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.
It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.
After unpacking it ...
Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0
Just a data point ...
Ordered a DS2072 from Tequipmentl.net on 8/29/2013 and was told a 3 week wait.
It arrived this morning, 9/15/2013.
After unpacking it ...
Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01
Hardware version: 2.0
After doing the [Trigger menu][Menu7][Menu6][Menu7][Utility][System][System Info] it now says ...
Serial: DS2A15340XXXX
Software version: 00.01.01.00.02
Hardware version: 1.0.2.0.0
FPGA version:
SPU 03.01.05
WPU 00.06.05
CCU 12.29.00
MCU 00.05
Installed Options
TRIGGER Windows Trial Version 2076Minute
NthEdge Trial Version 2076Minute
HDTV Trial Version 2076Minute
Delay Trial Version 2076Minute
Timeout Trial Version 2076Minute
Dur Trial Version 2076Minute
USB Trial Version 2076Minute
DECODE RS232 Trial Version 2076Minute
SPI Trial Version 2076Minute
I2C Trial Version 2076Minute
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Trial Version 2076Minute
And after the adjustment:
Installed Options
TRIGGER Windows Official Version
NthEdge Official Version
HDTV Official Version
Delay Official Version
Timeout Official Version
Dur Official Version
USB Official Version
DECODE RS232 Official Version
SPI Official Version
I2C Official Version
MEM_DEPTH 56M/28M Official Version
BANDWIDTH 100M Bandwidth Official Version
BANDWIDTH 200M Bandwidth Official Version
I want to thank everyone that has worked so hard to make this possible :-+ :-+ :-+
Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?
Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?
Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.
Well this is exciting since mine should be here (same order from tequipment) on Thursday! Did you use DSA9?
Yes, DSA9 and the Windows 2.0b1 version of the generator.
Just used Rigen 2b1 with DSAZ and it worked perfectly. Serial number intact, shows as a DS2202 now, all options installed.Hi!
Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.
HWarning to users with Hardware is 2.0, software is 00.01.01.@ Monstr You may wish to check the Table EDIT 4 in this post
I think all of the functions are open except for proper operation 56mb.
Up to 14/7 options correctly, 56/28 - is not correct.
In auto mode 56/28 no picks. In manual mode, recording only two frames.
Back in 2072 does not work.
56Mpts ,one Channel onlyThank you, after I re-read, it is now clear.
Then again, does not correspond. Edit5:Good question
The device does not want to write long sweep.
This is the norm, or feature HW ver 2?
AND 'Samples' option only "Real Time" mode.
PA0PBZ mentioned the springs that came with the DS2000 probes.
I've been wondering how they are supposed to be used.
What situations are they designed for ?
This is a comparison between the two hardware versions.My results are slightly worse than yours, ~2mV delta for both tests, though I've entered a DSHH key for 300 MHz. I have a trigger hat just like yours too. I have screens if you want to see.
Type of test: Noise floor.
Results for hardware ver. 1.0.1.0.0:
(1):
1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and, only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=500us, Trigger level=0V.
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.
(2):
1. Oscilloscope turn on time ~ 30 minutes, and away from sources of interference.
2. No probe connected in any channel and only CH1 on.
3. Setting: Full BW, Vector, 1mV/DIV (x1), DC, Adquire=Normal, Men.=Auto, Persistence=inf., Base time=2ns, Trigger level=between 500uV and 600uV
4. Cursor on, mode Y, after five minutes of measurement with persistence=inf. set cursor to the maximum.
In red, trigger level, find the worst case.
Watch this:
Oscilloscope Probe Ground lead length affects on signal quality (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zodpCuxwn_o#)
Voltage | Colour | Pin | Pin | Colour | Voltage |
Ground | Black | 8 | 1 | Black | Ground |
-20.25V | Grey | 9 | 2 | Orange | /Power On |
+7.5V | Yellow | 10 | 3 | Yellow | +7.5V |
+5V SB | White | 11 | 4 | Green | -7.8V |
+17.5V | Blue | 12 | 5 | Brown | -- |
+5.5V | Red | 13 | 6 | Red | +5.5V |
Ground | Black | 14 | 7 | Black | Ground |
Voltage | Pin | Pin | Voltage |
Ground | 1 | 2 | +5.5V |
Ground | 3 | 4 | +5.5V |
5 | 6 | ||
7 | 8 | ||
9 | 10 | ||
11 | 12 | ||
Ground | 13 | 14 | -7.8V |
Ground | 15 | 16 | +7.5V |
Ground | 17 | 18 | -20.25V |
Ground | 19 | 20 | +17.5V |