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Products => Test Equipment => Topic started by: simone.pignatti on September 12, 2017, 06:41:58 am
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RIGOL today has introduced two new model into the 2000 family:
DS2102E 100MHz 2ch 1GSa/sec per channel 28MPts (euro 579 + VAT) (USD 647 + TAX)
DS2202E 200MHz 2ch 1GSa/sec per channel 28MPts (euro 749 + VAT) (USD 847 + TAX)
both with free trigger and decoding RS232/UART, I2C, SPI, CAN and LIN
data sheet here: http://int.rigol.com/File/TechDoc/20170911/DS2000E_DataSheet_EN.pdf (http://int.rigol.com/File/TechDoc/20170911/DS2000E_DataSheet_EN.pdf)
atm Rigol link seems not working, here is mine I will remove after Rigol fix it
http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/RIGOL/DS2000E_DataSheet_EN-1.pdf (http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/RIGOL/DS2000E_DataSheet_EN-1.pdf)
standard probes 350MHz model PVP2350
After long time I have realized the blue RIGOL logo is for the entry level models, see the different logo in the DP832 and the DL3000 non A
Maybe is the last "candy" before the real NEW oscilloscope line ??!!
(http://int.rigol.com/File/HomeImg/20170911/636407534871363239.jpg)
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Logo "code" seems to be more complicated :) . DP832 has blue letter, this scope has "white" letters on blue...
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It is double the price of the Siglent SDS1202X-E with similar features :--
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It is double the price of the Siglent SDS1202X-E with similar features :--
Not exactly. If I understood well, the new DS2000E can operate *both* channels at 1 Gsps simultaneously.
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It is double the price of the Siglent SDS1202X-E with similar features :--
Not exactly. If I understood well, the new DS2000E can operate *both* channels at 1 Gsps simultaneously.
correct and 28Mpts per channel too
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It is double the price of the Siglent SDS1202X-E with similar features :--
Not exactly. If I understood well, the new DS2000E can operate *both* channels at 1 Gsps simultaneously.
correct and 28Mpts per channel too
Although several goodies included with the SDS1202X-E are options for the Rigol, which will increase the price considerably I imagine.
Although this is not it obviously, I am curious about Rigol's response (if any) to the "single model, single price, all you can eat" offer to hobbyists from Siglent.
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so far there are not options, seems like Siglent SDS1202X-E all included
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so far there are not options, seems like Siglent SDS1202X-E all included
Oops, I stand corrected, or not?
The datasheet mentions sku numbers for options and a "bundle" option as well, which would mean that they will sell models without options?
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Triggers, decoding and memory are free of charge for sure till the end of the year.
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Triggers, decoding and memory are free of charge for sure till the end of the year.
Alright, but that would mean that it's not a reaction to the 1202X-E, what I wanted to say :)
Interestingly they are reacting to the options hacking "scene". Look at the wording in their datasheet:
"28 Mpts/CH memory (offering the official option for free)" (bold mine)
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Is there any difference between this new DS2000E series and the DS2000A series except price and the number of options pre-enabled?
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Is there any difference between this new DS2000E series and the DS2000A series except price and the number of options pre-enabled?
The DS2000A can go up to 300Mhz and 56Mpts, usually people buy the 70Mhz one and hack it up to 300Mhz.
Of my around 8-10 scopes (I'm not sure how many I have now) the DS2072A is the one I use mostly day to day, really like it.
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Is there any difference between this new DS2000E series and the DS2000A series except price and the number of options pre-enabled?
DS2000E can go up to 1GSa/sec per channel even when using one channel only
DS2000A con go up to 2GSa/sec when using one channel only
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Looks like all the options are free if scope purchased before March 31, 2018.
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DS2102E 100MHz 2ch 1GSa/sec per channel 28MPts (euro 579 + VAT) (USD 647 + TAX)
DS2202E 200MHz 2ch 1GSa/sec per channel 28MPts (euro 749 + VAT) (USD 847 + TAX)
i'd still get the DSOX1000A + decodes for that price. Memory ain't everything
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I'm wondering what the added value is between from Rigol DS2000E compared to the Siglent 1202X-E. IIRC the Rigol DS2000 series isn't exactly free of bugs.
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Looking at the specs I would say the sampling rate and the memory. Looking at the applications we have provided several DS2000A to the industry into automatic test equipment where the good sensitivity and the strong shielding are very much appreciated. So far we haven't see the SDS1202X-E on the same environment so it is difficult to say.
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How do they get 500 picosecond peak detection out of a sample rate of 1 GS/s and 200 MHz of bandwidth?
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How do they get 500 picosecond peak detection out of a sample rate of 1 GS/s and 200 MHz of bandwidth?
I think it is a typing mistake, pretty sure it is 1ns.
We have informed RIGOL which will reply or modify the PDF.
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Here are some images taken from the 100Mhz and 200MHz with and without dots interpolation
5ns 1GSa/sec 28Mpts
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Hello,
is the 500 ?V/div true or is it only a digital zoom as in the DS2072?
Best regards
egonotto
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is the 500 ?V/div true or is it only a digital zoom as in the DS2072?
From the datasheet:
Note[3]: 500 ?V/div is a magnification of 1 mV/div. When calculating the DC Gain Accuracy, the full scale should be considered as 8 mV (calculated based on 1 mV/div).
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After a 5 day struggle to get this thing through customs it is finally here. Will put it through its paces the weekend. Bought the 100 MHz version for $582.30 including shipping from arrow.com, granted I did get a 10% discount.
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All the options are not for free on mine out of the box. Will contact Rigol and see what they say.
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Interesting...we got our units in stock yesterday, but since I'm traveling I couldn't check...
I'll power on one unit on Monday to double check
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I spoke to RIGOL who was very helpful. I was referred back to Arrow as they should have included the promotional voucher. Arrow is now checking with their warehouse why the promotional voucher was not included.
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That's odd. When I bought my MSO2202A with options, the seller preinstalled all of them, so the device was ready to go straight out of box. Their customer service was by far the best I've ever dealt with!
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Latest update. They've sent me some licenses, albeit for the DS4000 series. I kindly pointed out their mistake and hope to receive my DS2000 series licenses soon.
Happy measuring everyone.
Yes, I am irritated...
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Much Better!
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Hello dupreezarmand ,
After one year what can you say about this scope . You still that it worth buying ?
Nobody make a review of E series ...
It is a mystery :)
Thank you !
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In reply to me :)
It was worth buying.
It is the same hardware as DS2000A . Same hw capabilities but software limited .
Same speed , same responsiveness (or lack of ... on some points).
Some photos from inside .
Reviews has been done on DS2000A , I haven't found any difference .
I have done some kind of frequency bandwidth measurement , as I don't have professional equipment and I have found a drop at 170 MHZ which is good in my opinion . I have 100 MHz version - DS2102E .
After Bw upgrade I found the same drop at 170 MHz but I suspect a generator hardware limit . The amplitude of signal is better with BW upgrade .
Serials from riglol doesn't work . I was try the BW 200 upgrade , as the scopes come now with all options for free .
Firmware downgrade is not possible anymore , so hack procedure for DS2000 cannot be used . Actually it can . See the post below .
Last firmware replace pictures from help system with empty rectangles. Not very important.
It's a known bug that will be addressed only in January 2019 , when a new version will be released .
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It was done !!!
Upgrade to 200 MHz was possible using key file extraction from memory dump.
Steps to follow :
1.Using RigolBildschirmkopie.exe (http://peter.dreisiebner.at/rigol-bildschirmkopie/index.htm (http://peter.dreisiebner.at/rigol-bildschirmkopie/index.htm)) extract dump from memory (use 32 MB option).
2.Don't use rigup 0.4.2 . It will not find keys because is modified for MSO 1000Z. Instead use the original version rigup01 (from riglol site - http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/ (http://www.gotroot.ca/rigol/)) . It may be possible to work with other versions of rigup but for me this was worked from first attempt .
3.Copy dump file (SCPI-Data.scpi) to rigup folder .
4.Open a command prompt here (Shift+rightclick).For win10 users if a Powershell console is opened just type cmd and you get a cmd prompt .
5. Run the following command : rigup scan SCPI-Data.scpi . This must get six strings (keys) . Copy to a text file and keep it 8).
6. Type again : rigup DS2072A SCPI-Data.scpi . (no it doesn't work with DS2102E because 2102E was not exist at the time when crack was compiled ).
It must generate 4 keys like below (don't use it are just as example , not real ) :
NSEH: 57YFEJW-F2XTEQZ-SMZMVTH-ABCZCKR All options, no bandwidth upgrade
NSER: 4RBZ8XQ-R3H5HRS-ZBU7CTG-SFGARSM All options, bandwidth 100 MHz
NSEQ: DLT7PUN-5PJRP3M-DJZSBHY-8GBTYSM All options, bandwidth 200 MHz
NSFH: SWSENW-2Y9RL46-PRSF8LF-AEFNPSM All options, bandwidth 300 MHz (*)
(*) = Untested, unconfirmed
Note that 300Mhz option is unconfirmed .
I installed it but I did not see any difference and nothing was show in Installed Options so I was choose 200 MHz option which was make big difference . Maybe with hardware mod - resistors from HW Configuration onboard, this option will be useful as well as 2 GSa/s .
7.Final step - choose the option you want and put it in a file (txt) which is named "your scope serial number".lic ( EX. - DS2D326285498.lic). Copy the file to a stick , and insert it into the scope . Scope will prompt you with a message that there is a new license . Install it and check Utility-> Options->Installed to see what it show . Enjoy !
You may send the lic. with SCPI utility from Ultra Sigma but don't forget to remove the dashes :
Ex.: :SYSTem:OPTion:INSTall JDMNBSJW8SX28SLJWA7PXJ4MVR5S
Many thanks to those who make this possible !!! (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol_s-internal-i2c-bus/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sniffing-the-rigol_s-internal-i2c-bus/)) :-+
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Congratualtions @skander36! That's actually the first real evidence that Rigol's "E"conomy series apparently is the same as the standard instruments hardware-wise, only limited by a modified software. If that's the same for the DS4000E series, this may ba a very good option for those who need a fast scope at a hobby budget, especially if looking at Rigol's clearance sales stores. I've seen DS4014E being sold there at price tags around 1250EUR. Even though the DS4000 series may be close to being replaced (by the DS7000?), the instruments are still strong performers if the owner can live with their shortcomings and values (or needs) their good points.
Now all that needs to be found out is how to convince the instruments to believe they are not the economy version... ;D
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Indeed , clearance centers area very good source for cheap scope . They come with warranty and in very good condition , practically as new . Mine was get from clearance Europe and I am not seeing a wearing sign , It is like new with all accessories and documents .
In North America one can buy a DS2072A with 420 $ to transform in a 1840 $ scope .
In Europe CLR. I cannot find a 2072A so I was buy this 2102E with 399 E and now I get a 2202E worth 749 E (new). Now 4024E is on 1495E . If can be cracked you can have 4 ch. / 500 MHz and 4GS/s (7000E).
Nice .