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Rigol HDO1000 and HDO4000 12bit oscilloscopes launched in China
Martin72:
Hi,
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-hdo1000-and-hdo4000-12bit-oscilloscopes-launched-in-china/msg4437196/#msg4437196
Maybe they have now gotten "permission" from rigol.
ebastler:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on November 09, 2023, 10:01:15 pm ---Maybe they have now gotten "permission" from rigol.
--- End quote ---
Thanks, I had missed that little episode...
Strange; haven't Batterfly sold the DHO1000 (and Siglent scopes) all along?
I'm curious whether there will be further competitive moves by Rigol. A DHO1000 variant with LA and AWG is overdue, I'd say. Wonder how they will call (and price) it -- DHO1200, 1500, 2000?
Martin72:
You'll laugh, but that was already going through my head today.
If you look at the models, it somehow doesn't seem well thought out.
Or experimental.
We'll throw something on the market and see what the reactions are like.
I had the biggest model here, now the smallest model, so I actually know all of them.
Rigol would have to revise the DHO1000, equip it with a second ADC, built-in AWG and LA.
However, this would mean that nobody would buy either the DHO1000 or the DHO4000 any more.
Or an upgraded version of the DHO4000, with one ADC per channel in order to maintain the bandwidth/sampling rate for all channels.
But that would be so expensive that hardly anyone would buy it in view of the alternatives from Siglent or even R&S.
As I said, I don't think the current range of models is well thought out.
dreamcat4:
well my general assumption (so far) has been that....
they simply cannot release all intended products at same time. but have to stagger and focus on a pathway from one conquest to the next. (and perhaps learning something each time)
having this gap (for mso awg + la) between 900 and 8000 (on same general shared platform family) is indeed conceeding a middle ground or 'mid range' to competitors. yet also they just are still not yet up to scratch into the firmwares.
if 1 shared firmware team has gotten it right or wrong yet for the 8000 series? i mean for these missing mso features. then to translate that downwards onto less capable hardwares yet... the technical demands of both awg and la seems pretty low by comparison to the 12-bit analog.
so what's the crazy chinese approach here? managers running awry, or some technical holdups / bottleneck within a single resource constrained team? or something else entirely?
for example you point to the cost and competition in mid-range segment. which is surely true atm. but rigol could still stand some chance to get their act together. plus how good did the 8000 digital features ever gotten anyhow? or still remains some poorly selling / incomplete wip?
or maybe its instead to a level of some bom components shortage or other market facing penny counting of accountants as to which products is actually selling versus competition?
or maybe because its what china actually thinks it needs domestically. that these scopes are commissioned to help china's own internal market over and above international exports. so in this mindset then the western criterias simple don't matter very much. and what china is asking for is both
a) some very cheap and capable scopes, for the masses (and that anybody can afford, for regular / orginairy and low levels stuff)
and
b) ok plus just 1 high end flagship model too. for the pros in cutting edge businessess that can afford to pony up the dough for an 8000 level. and to have a home grown chinese option internally manufactured for that segment too.
this would then put both the 1000 and 4000 mid tiers into a grey zone category of 'meduim' sme or things. so is that really what china wants too aswell? i suppose its for who is calling the shots. and getting the requests / demands asks?
i say this at the same time that (for some unknown reason) that the 1074 is 50% discounted in jp. which is also a bit strange seeming situatuin too? or perhaps jp gets some unique exporting / trading arrangements? very odd.
ebastler:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on November 09, 2023, 10:54:50 pm ---Rigol would have to revise the DHO1000, equip it with a second ADC, built-in AWG and LA.
However, this would mean that nobody would buy either the DHO1000 or the DHO4000 any more.
Or an upgraded version of the DHO4000, with one ADC per channel in order to maintain the bandwidth/sampling rate for all channels.
But that would be so expensive that hardly anyone would buy it in view of the alternatives from Siglent or even R&S.
As I said, I don't think the current range of models is well thought out.
--- End quote ---
I would assume that the plan is to keep the current range of DHO models on the market, and complement the DHO1000 and 4000 with sister models, much like the DHO800/900 siblings.
If the follow the DHO800/900 lead, these "big sisters" would be closely based on the DHO1000 and 4000, respectively. They would include the LA and AWG, and some further, minor differentiating features: Maybe "slightly better" bandwidth, if Rigol follow the DHO800/900 pattern; include full memory option of the smaller model as standard; throw in some software/analysis features.
Something like these -- just speculation of course:
DHO2000
- 2 GSa/s (single ADC)
- 150 and 300 MHz bandwidth?
- 100 MPts memory
- Logic Analyser
- AWG (in -S model variant)
- I²S, power analysis?
DHO5000
- 4 GSa/s (single ADC)
- 200, 400, 800 MHz bandwidth
- 500 MPts memory
- Logic Analyser
- AWG (in -S model variant)
- I²S, power analysis, what else?
As a further step, there's room above the 5000 for a dual-ADC model (or even quad) maybe?
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