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Rigol HDO1000 and HDO4000 12bit oscilloscopes launched in China

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Antonio90:

--- Quote from: DaneLaw on November 22, 2023, 03:47:18 pm ---Would be tricky to see where the DHO1000U should land price-wise if its just neutered DHO1000 and doesn't bring anything new, now that Rigol is dumping the DH01000 series below 490 EU/US with tax & delivery in US & Europe. (2CH) and in Europe, the DHO1072 (486EU) is quite close to the MSRP of a DHO802 (435 euro)

Not many vendors would use such a logic.. as you're getting high on your own supply, and undermining the market for coming products if there are no standout features for the DHO1000U series..and I cant see Rigol adjusting prices in the DHO800 series, so close to release... would leave a lot of buyers with a bad taste.

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It's quite strange. Maybe they are just trying to flood the market before the arrival of the SDS1000X-HD? I really don't know if that makes sense at all, and I'm afraid the Siglent is going to be quite a bit more expensive, and might not be easily hackable, maybe oriented at a different market.

Or maybe Ebastler is right and they are going to put out a MSO with AWG and LA, dumping the DHO1000 as the BOM doesn't make economic sense right now.
The 1000U would be the cheaper substitute with long-term sales in mind.



ebastler:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on November 22, 2023, 04:05:29 pm ---[...] dumping the DHO1000 as the BOM doesn't make economic sense right now.
The 1000U would be the cheaper substitute with long-term sales in mind.

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That would be my guess. The DHO1000 probably did not sell well at its list price, especially since the DHO800 is out and so much cheaper. The fact that distributors who sell both, Rigol and Siglent, were formerly barred from selling the DHO1000 series but have now been allowed to do so, also points in that direction.

The 1000U can probably be sold at a price point close to the discounted DHO1000 Black Friday offer. Besides the stripped-down memory and waveform rate, I would also expect that it has lost the internal 50 Ohm paths (which were not enabled anyway) and the optical encoders. Maybe it has transitioned to SD-card flash too? That must be cheaper if it's in the 800 series...

DaneLaw:

--- Quote from: ebastler on November 20, 2023, 08:42:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: Martin72 on November 18, 2023, 11:51:52 am ---Rigol shop is selling the 1072 for 486€, the 1074 for 700€ on amazon.de incl. VAT and shipping.

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Prices for both models have now been increased to about 830€, which is the regular list price for the 1072. Strange -- according to their "xx left in stock" info they have only sold a single 1074 during the promotion so far.

Edit: Maybe they had just jumped the gun and activated the discount too early? Their Black Friday sale is only meant to be active November 24-30.

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The low price on the DHO1072 is still active in some of the European Amazon warehouses.
Rigol's DHO1000 campaign seems to be pretty widespread.
Japan.. its -50% across the DHO1000 palette.
Rigol-official/JP DHO1072 incl. JP-VAT is around 430 Euro (70.400yen)

Add-ons like AWG/MSO would flip the picture 180*.. it is weirdly missing atm. - having it on a 7" 16/9 screen like the DHO900/S series seems far from ideal, if they gonna have 3 lines with a big 10.1 screen.. - it could be where the logic is buried, and why Rigol is confident that the DHO1000U is gonna create its own market, no matter what price-adjustment they do on the DHO1000 series, if the DHO1000U is close to being a DHO900/S just with a 10.1 screen alongside some of the fundamentals of the DHO1000-line' which would be a welcome for the MSO, not least the sample rate..

2N3055:
If we are going to speculate, to me, it seems that Rigol has no defined strategy at all, from what I can observe.
They now have portofolio of 16 active scope models (with subdivisions in BW added):

DS1000D/E
DS1000Z/Plus
DS1000Z-E
DS2000A
MSO2000A
MSO5000E
MSO5000
DS7000
MSO7000
MSO8000
MSO8000A
DS70000
DHO800
DHO900
DHO1000
DHO4000

R&S has 9 lines, including portable ones. Siglent has 10 including portable ones. Keysight has 11 lines, from Infiniivision 1000X to 110GHz Infiniium UXR–B. LeCroy has 11 (if we disregards Siglent rebadges) from 3000Z to 65 GHz Wavemaster and LabMasters.
All these manufacturers have careful positioning of all those to match full gamut.

Rigol made chipset and were under extreme pressure to use it for something and they simply made random 4 scopes.
These scopes are de facto marketing research for them.
They will see how well it goes, what people are complaining about and then kill some and make some new models.
They will sell some, make some money... Move on.

This is how it looks to me... A completely reactive approach, with no visible long term strategy..
It is complete mystery what they are doing..

Antonio90:
I don't get why the price is increased in Amazon Germany and not on the rest of the EU countries.
They are all sold by RIGOL EU.

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