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| Martin72:
It's almost like 2N3055 wrote it, his assumption. Rigol throws a few models on the market and the model that hits the nerve and sells well is halfway maintained. See DS1000z and MSO5000. These have probably received the most updates. The MSO5000 in particular was a hit, 8GSa/s max and a fully-fledged 2-channel AWG except for the output level, you won't find that anywhere in this price range to this day. But these were lucky hits, Rigol doesn't seem to know any model strategy or even proper model maintenance. Now the new 12Bit models, starting with the 4000/1000 models a year ago. I had a 4204 to test at the beginning of this year and now for a few weeks the 804. And I was surprised that nothing has changed in terms of the software. Especially as a 4000 owner I would feel like a fool, except for the hires mode and a few more decoders, the biggest model is no different from the smallest. On the other hand, you could have used the year to incorporate various improvements and additions, this is not the case. So the feeling remains that Rigol has simply released a few "prototypes" and the "real ones" are yet to come, with customers serving as beta testers. This is simply not serious behavior. Of the four models, two of which I know, I think the 800 series is the most suitable. The price/performance ratio is right (apart from the current 40% less promotion on the 1000). |
| NE666:
I agree with that assessment. Rigol's PM and PMO team's must be non-existent, asleep at their desk, or labouring under a very different impression of their role and duties as compared to everyone else. The question is, for how long can this go on before it starts to cut deep into their revenue and growth plans. |
| Martin72:
https://www.batronix.com/versand/rigol/DHO1000.html Batronix now has all 1000 models in stock (not yet last week), so I can hardly imagine that this is a discontinued model series. Hm, or exactly because they didn't offer any 1000s for a year.... |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on November 22, 2023, 10:50:57 pm ---It's almost like 2N3055 wrote it, his assumption. Rigol throws a few models on the market and the model that hits the nerve and sells well is halfway maintained. See DS1000z and MSO5000. These have probably received the most updates. The MSO5000 in particular was a hit, 8GSa/s max and a fully-fledged 2-channel AWG except for the output level, you won't find that anywhere in this price range to this day. But these were lucky hits, Rigol doesn't seem to know any model strategy or even proper model maintenance. Now the new 12Bit models, starting with the 4000/1000 models a year ago. I had a 4204 to test at the beginning of this year and now for a few weeks the 804. And I was surprised that nothing has changed in terms of the software. Especially as a 4000 owner I would feel like a fool, except for the hires mode and a few more decoders, the biggest model is no different from the smallest. On the other hand, you could have used the year to incorporate various improvements and additions, this is not the case. So the feeling remains that Rigol has simply released a few "prototypes" and the "real ones" are yet to come, with customers serving as beta testers. This is simply not serious behavior. Of the four models, two of which I know, I think the 800 series is the most suitable. The price/performance ratio is right (apart from the current 40% less promotion on the 1000). --- End quote --- The MSO5000 is a really nice scope, the only missing feature is the 50 Ohm input. If it would have it I would've long bought one. But that's reserved to the 7000 series, which is more than twice the price. I personally think this is a mistake. |
| ebastler:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on November 23, 2023, 09:52:29 am ---https://www.batronix.com/versand/rigol/DHO1000.html Batronix now has all 1000 models in stock (not yet last week), so I can hardly imagine that this is a discontinued model series. Hm, or exactly because they didn't offer any 1000s for a year.... --- End quote --- Batronix unfortunately can't match Rigol's Black Friday discount on the DHO1074. Seems strange that Rigol Europe via their direct sales channel are undercutting their own distributors. (Via Amazon, the 1074 is now available at 713€ incl. VAT again for German customers as well.) I just changed my mind and cancelled my SDS2104X Plus order, in favor of a DHO1074 at half the price. I am sacrificing the higher bandwidth and sampling rate of the SDS for the 12 bit (16 bit interpolated) resolution of the DHO, and for the UI which I really like on the large screen. I don't really need Bode plots, and will buy a DSLogic PC-based logic analyser later -- which costs about the same as the logic probe for the SDS. Let's see whether a hack to enable the 50 Ohm inputs will materialize eventually... Or maybe Rigol decides to make this available as an option, for better differentiation vs. the DHO800? Or the 50 Ohm inputs remain unusable forever, which would not be a catastrophe at 200 MHz max. bandwidth. |
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