You're going to base a purchasing decision on a single person's claim that "all older 8 bit DSOs" are better than these?
I remember very noisy Tek & Agilent 8 bits DSOs, much worse than current Rigol MSO5K, so I do not get your point, especially because is not supported by measured data.
This new Rigol 12bits line has nothing to do with previous ones under a lot of aspects, input noise and scope responsiveness are the first two things that you notice at first glance.
Our lecroy scopes haven´t got markers or even a table..
They expect you have eyes to see it and when you want to know the exact value, you can use cursors.
OK, for their prices you can´t expect more comfort, they cost with discount only 13000 or 14000 bucks each.
well let me rephrase: if were true, (as a hypothetical). then what would it mean. because the sds2k has mixed signal, and perhaps less broken bugs in firmware etc.
but i had forgotton that the thing boots twice as long. its 1 minute boot time for the sds2k+, and only 30s for these new rigol hdo. so that alone i think would bother me to still prefer the rigol (all else being taken out of the equation)
QuoteOur lecroy scopes haven´t got markers or even a table..
They expect you have eyes to see it and when you want to know the exact value, you can use cursors.
OK, for their prices you can´t expect more comfort, they cost with discount only 13000 or 14000 bucks each.
A little bit off topic, but anyway - from operator`s manual:
"Cursors on Math Functions
Cursors can be placed on math functions whose X-axis has a dimension other than time, such as an FFT.
When there is at least one math trace open, the Standard Cursors dialog contains an X-Axis control where
you can choose the units measured by the horizontal cursors. The options will be appropriate to the types
of function traces open; for example, if there is an FFT trace, there is an option for Hz. The cursor lines
are placed on the traces that normally display X-axis values in the selected units."
If you need an MSO then this isn't the 'scope for you, obviously.
Do you really think that Rigol 12bits DSOs have inferior analog performance than Siglent SDS 2000x plus based on the fact that someone has expressed a personal opinion that is not supported by fact ?
but i had forgotton that the thing boots twice as long. its 1 minute boot time for the sds2k+, and only 30s for these new rigol hdo. so that alone i think would bother me to still prefer the rigol
i have not taken any such position either way... it just seemed like a relevant question to ask. but such heated exchanges.
there is plenty of time to clear up those question. but it seems upon reviewing the last couple of pages there was some derailment between talking about difficulties measuring with the distortion from awg. which is a seperate matter itself
so the actual input distortion of these respective scopes. so no, i dont see how that has been sufficiently answered yet...
totally fine and no, i dont base my decisions based on just thin air. there has to be some real meat behind. its just a genuine case of:
well let me rephrase: if were true, (as a hypothetical). then what would it mean. because the sds2k has mixed signal, and perhaps less broken bugs in firmware etc.
but i had forgotton that the thing boots twice as long. its 1 minute boot time for the sds2k+, and only 30s for these new rigol hdo. so that alone i think would bother me to still prefer the rigol (all else being taken out of the equation)
Do you really think that Rigol 12bits DSOs have inferior analog performance than Siglent SDS 2000x plus based on the fact that someone has expressed a personal opinion that is not supported by fact ?
I think we can agree that both are low noise, or in a range where in practice it no longer matters which is lower noise than the other.
Oh no, not again....
Yes, again, the truth MUST be told
Oh no, not again....
Yes, again, the truth MUST be told
However what is more important is to point out your inability to adapt to use theperfectly functional toolsinconvenient workarounds you have at your disposal such as split screen Zoom mode.
FTFY.
Oh, well. The Siglent apologists are here so that's another thread down the toilet.
Why can't you just admit that Siglents aren't sent from heaven? That they might have flaws/weaknesses?
However what is more important is to point out your inability to adapt to use theperfectly functional toolsinconvenient workarounds you have at your disposal such as split screen Zoom mode.
FTFY.
Oh, well. The Siglent apologists are here so that's another thread down the toilet.
Why can't you just admit that Siglents aren't sent from heaven? That they might have flaws/weaknesses?
Threads go down the toilet when people come in provoking that particular discussion and won't stop...
I have a question when will you buy this Rigol HDO ?
Because for now you are talking about Rigol and Siglent without having these oscilloscopes. So you are a "very reliable source" of information about these oscilloscopes
I have a question when will you buy this Rigol HDO ?
Because for now you are talking about Rigol and Siglent without having these oscilloscopes. So you are a "very reliable source" of information about these oscilloscopes
That's never stopped a Siglent fan from going on about the noise in a Rigol MSO5000.
etc.
You don't have to own something to know anything about it or to be able to see the user interface in videos.
You know, I'm reading this topic and I'd rather learn something from practitioners with equipment, not from people who base their knowledge on YouTube marketing videos...
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You know, I'm reading this topic and I'd rather learn something from practitioners with equipment, not from people who base their knowledge on YouTube marketing videos...
I must remember to tell Dave his videos are "Marketing videos"...
You know, I'm reading this topic and I'd rather learn something from practitioners with equipment, not from people who base their knowledge on YouTube marketing videos...
I must remember to tell Dave his videos are "Marketing videos"...
You know, I'm reading this topic and I'd rather learn something from practitioners with equipment, not from people who base their knowledge on YouTube marketing videos...
I must remember to tell Dave his videos are "Marketing videos"...They are and documentation of his misunderstandings of how to use equipment too.
He is well known for fingers faster than brain usage.
Unfortunately, to evaluate the oscilloscope well, you need to have it, in addition, it is not easy to do because many errors can come out only after some time. Another thing is that people considering this oscilloscope are more interested in the opinions of users of the equipment. Sorry, but I don't think anyone cares how you rate this oscilloscope based on YT videos that everyone can see.
What exactly did I say? The only thing I mentioned was the user interface.
You don't have to own one to be able to look at Dave's video (or even Rigol's "marketing video") and know the user interface is a massive improvement over traditional Rigol's Siglents:
PS: Have you checked the credentials of everybody posting here, or is it just because I'm the only one who adds disclaimers?
"Today" I´ve used the bode function for checking some things on a differential probe.
What I don´t like is that when this mode is active, you can´t do anything else except what the bode menu allows you to do.
For example, when you want to change something in the channel menu, no chance, you have to leave the bode mode first.
Still I hope Siglent think again what is right place for "return" button in menu. My opinion is that it need be visible always so that if I open what ever menu and if want return to previous menu no need scroll for find return button.