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Offline MosherIV

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General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« on: October 26, 2016, 10:09:44 pm »
Hi

I got one of these a couple of weeks ago  :D


The specs are here :
www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/i-don't-need-no-stinking-calibration/?action=dlattach;attach=51658

The tear down is to come (basically I will document it as I open it up to service it).

In the mean time, I would like some advice please.....

It does not seem to working properly. While I can dial in any voltage to the nearest 1mV
It should be able to dial in any voltage in the 0.1mV (100uV) range but it does not work properly.
It can set 0.1mV when the total voltage is below 4V, as soon as it goes above that the output is 0.2 to 0.3mV low.

Now I suspect the contacts on the rotary dials are dirty.
Anyone got any tips/hints on how I go about cleaning them?
(I read somewhere on the forum that someone cleaned similar Datel device by soaking the while switch assembly - not sure I can do that with this one)

Does anyone think it is not the switch contacts and may be something electronic in nature, eg op-amp output drive ?

Thanks in advance
 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2016, 10:56:25 pm »
Look into one of robbenz post on the hp 6114/6115 about cleaning those thumb switches. Unfortunately you will need to open it up to further troubleshoot the unit.  >:D
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 10:12:10 am »
OK, so here are some tear down photos



 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 10:14:01 am »
From the sides



 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and service
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 10:15:57 am »
Unscrewed the front panel to get access to the KVD


 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 10:18:15 am »
The money shot - inside the shield of the KVD  >:D





 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 10:20:07 am »
Finally, I opened the shield can where the Vref is




 
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2016, 10:27:20 am »
good images keep it focus  :P if u can
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2016, 12:56:34 pm »
Yeah, sorry about the blurry ones. I took them with my cheap phone camera which is fixed focus. They look OK on the phone but when you load them to a computer you can see how bad they are.  :-[
 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 05:59:04 pm »
As you'll be mechanically disassembling to clean the thumbwheel contacts (they do look a bit black in places), I'd take the opportunity to respray the black front metalwork to get rid of the wear marks. I noticed them on the original listing but assumed that it was white plastic showing through.

I think the power neon originally had a cover over it too, so probably worth replacing.
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2016, 06:11:50 pm »
That low ohms resistor board is interesting. An L&N type 31 switch with their l&n resistors.
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2016, 06:21:58 pm »
MosherIV, does your unit produce loud transformer buzz?  I have a couple of them that are quite irritating (which is why they are in the back of the storage unit at the moment).
 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2016, 06:38:47 pm »
Inspiring....... I have two of those.  At least one of them appears to give the right voltage if you move the wheels back and forth a few times.  Good to see the switches are open and can get some spray cleaner into them.  Waiting for more.
 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2016, 07:31:08 pm »
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MosherIV, does your unit produce loud transformer buzz?
Yes it does. Sometimes it stops after it has warmed up. I have a feeling that after I took it apart it will buz permanently now  :(

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Good to see the switches are open and can get some spray cleaner into them.  Waiting for more.   
It will be next week before I can check if the clean has made any difference.
What more did you want?
The only thung I did not open was the mains transformer box.
 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2016, 08:35:09 pm »
That is a mice design for those KVD switches. much better than the average thumbwheel switch.
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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2016, 06:01:48 pm »
Hi

I had some response in the metrology forum with ideas for fixing my DAS56A.

I have had some success cleaning the contacts of the KVD.
However, it appears the PSU is noisy :

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/general-resistance-das56a/
 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2016, 04:22:01 pm »
So I made some progress. I found the old caps in the PSU rectifier were not up to the job as GeneM suggested.

I replaced them, see https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/general-resistance-das56a/msg1069255/#msg1069255

but the noise did not go away  :(

This weekend, I did some more investigating and I think I have found the source of the problem - the noise is not coming from the DAS56A itself, it is coming from the mains it is connected to  |O

So I had a look in the main input filter, here

My progress is being documented in the metrology forum
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/general-resistance-das56a

 

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Re: General Resistance DAS56A - tear down and repair
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