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Rigol Rubbish DG800 - An expensive piece of Junk
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KungFuJosh:
The incessant need to call junk "cheap Chinese products" is unnecessary bigotry. China makes great products, and shite products. China itself doesn't determine the quality of the product, and pretending the source of manufacture has an effect on that is ignorant. Pay for something good, get something good. Pay for shite, get shite.
coppice:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 13, 2024, 01:11:07 pm ---The incessant need to call junk "cheap Chinese products" is unnecessary bigotry. China makes great products, and shite products. China itself doesn't determine the quality of the product, and pretending the source of manufacture has an effect on that is ignorant. Pay for something good, get something good. Pay for shite, get shite.

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When I look back over the last 50 years, the worst crap I've bought was German. Germans also made some of the best stuff I've seen. Most countries are capable of making both good and bad stuff, and do so. A lot of the best stuff China makes you just don't see in the west, as few people abroad want to pay a decent price for them, and they mostly sell to the domestic market.
Aldo22:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 13, 2024, 01:11:07 pm ---The incessant need to call junk "cheap Chinese products" is unnecessary bigotry. China makes great products, and shite products. China itself doesn't determine the quality of the product, and pretending the source of manufacture has an effect on that is ignorant. Pay for something good, get something good. Pay for shite, get shite.

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I almost agree.
But I would add a distinction:
Whether something is "shite" depends very much on whether you feel you have paid too much for it.
Some devices are OK for $50.
But if you pay $500 for the same device, then it's probably "shite" because you can get much better for that money.
Especially in the low-cost segment, every yuan counts and if there is a market for a $50 thing, then it will be produced for that.
You just can't expect the quality of a $500 product.
But I think that's OK and no reason to use bad language. Just don't buy it if it's not for you.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Aldo22 on May 13, 2024, 01:46:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on May 13, 2024, 01:11:07 pm ---The incessant need to call junk "cheap Chinese products" is unnecessary bigotry. China makes great products, and shite products. China itself doesn't determine the quality of the product, and pretending the source of manufacture has an effect on that is ignorant. Pay for something good, get something good. Pay for shite, get shite.

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I almost agree.
But I would add a distinction:
Whether something is "shite" depends very much on whether you feel you have paid too much for it.
Some devices are OK for $50.
But if you pay $500 for the same device, then it's probably "shite" because you can get much better for that money.
Especially in the low-cost segment, every yuan counts and if there is a market for a $50 thing, then it will be produced for that.
You just can't expect the quality of a $500 product.
But I think that's OK and no reason to use bad language. Just don't buy it if it's not for you.

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The distinction is irrelevant since the country of manufacture had no impact on any of that.
mawyatt:
Let's not forget that much of the upper tier OEM TE suppliers utilize many "off shore" resources to design and build various subassemblies or end products. The highly regarded HP/AG/KS often had such products, the Keysight/Rigol possible connection, or the LeCroy/Siglent possible relationship, or the possible similarity between some R&S and Tonghui instruments and so on.

The fundamental design, attention to detail, components, final assembly/test and after market support determines the overall quality and value of an instrument, not its origin!!

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