Author Topic: Rohde & Schwarz FSEA 30 (Read 50278 times)

Muxr · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2018, 05:48:44 pm »

sky2city.. from your screenshots it looks like you did everything correctly.

See this review for the IDE to CF adapter I was using: https://www.amazon.com/review/R1VL7K96HDXOPG/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0036DDXUM&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=172282&store=electronics

This user mentions that not all IDE to CF adapters present the media as fixed to the operating system, and instead it presents it as a removable media which could pose a difficulty in booting from it.

I wonder if this is your issue, and the reason why your drive is being ignored when it comes to boot.

Here is another post talking about IDE to CF adapters not being fully IDE compliant: https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/5827

I don't know if you're able but, perhaps you could try a different adapter?

This is the one that worked for me: https://www.amazon.com/Syba-SD-ADA50024-Interface-Compact-Enclosure/dp/B0036DDXUM/ref=cm_cr_othr_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

sky2city · « **Reply #51 on:** June 08, 2018, 04:56:10 am »

Muxr，
I seached this CF 2 IDE adapter you recomended in local E-commerce， taobao.
The saler said it's same as the adapter you recomended.

I got the pic inside and compare to the CF 2 IDE adapter I used now, it may same, just connect pins from CF card to IDE inferdace directly. No IC inside, to hanle the data transfering. And I think so, the CF card have the same IDE inferface with HDD disk maybe.

Anyway, I would like to try it, since I have no idea to do for next step. : (

Hope something happen, and find the root cause.

Thanks.

Roger@2018/06/08

CJay · « **Reply #52 on:** June 08, 2018, 06:29:27 am »

Will the ZVR boot from a DOS floppy so you can see if the CF card is recognised (have you even got the means to make a DOS boot floppy)?

I've a feeling the problem might be the BIOS not liking the CF card itself, have you a different card (smaller perhaps) that you could put DOS files on to boot the ZVR from and prove it works

sky2city · « **Reply #53 on:** June 08, 2018, 09:53:28 am »

Hi Cjay,
Thanks for your reminder.
I have two plan for finding out the root cause:

Plan A)
As you adviced, I have bought a folppy 2 USB disk kits, which is same as Murx did, (refer to Reply #12 of this thead).
then I will make a DOS boot disk , to see if the CF card can be identified.

Plan B)
Several years ago, I had a ZVR with red panel, this is a older type, which is running in DOS system.
There are 2 partitions, one of the partition is intalled DOS and a win 32 sysytem, anther partition is install a instrument software.
I replaced a ZVR disk,with a Fujitsu HDD, 30G Bits capacity.

I remember that the ZVR can identified the new 30G Fujitsu HDD, but the second partition is lost.
As a work arround, I copied all the second partition files to C:\D_Disk, and added a command "Subst C:\D_Disk d:" to AUTOEXEC.bat,
that mean add a visual D disk running, it work fine!

Few days ago, I replaced HDD of new ZVR with blue Panel, with the DOS HDD disk in red paneal ZVR.
I found ZVR worked fine, and just one minor issue: the test data is a little strange, maybe caused by the wrong factory calibration data.

That means the fujitsu 30G HDD can be identified by both ZVRs, the one with red panel and another with blue panel.

I have bought Fujitsu HDD disk, just arrived today. I will try it again as I did before.

any good advice ?

I will update..... stay tuned.

Roger@2018/06/08.

CJay · « **Reply #54 on:** June 08, 2018, 10:07:08 am »

Well if you can get it to boot from a DOS floppy and it recognises the CF card as a valid disk I would be tempted to try and connect the old hard disk and the CF card to clone in the ZVR with an old copy of Norton Ghost.

I found my CMU200 with the older front panel wouldn't recognise some 2.5" disks and I ended up with a 4GB CF card but it seems other members have had issues with larger CF cards too.

sky2city · « **Reply #55 on:** June 08, 2018, 10:26:18 am »

Oh..... I have a CMU200 too.

But one question:

How can I connect the old hard disk and the CF card to clone in the ZVR ? There is only one IDE interface in ZVR.

should I install HDD with orignal system and my new CF card on a older computer? The start Norton Ghost?

CJay · « **Reply #56 on:** June 08, 2018, 10:41:06 am »

If it's PC based then the IDE interface will almost definitely support two devices but you'll need a cable with an extra connector and might need to alter master/slave/cable select jumpers on the drive and CF adapter board.

sky2city · « **Reply #57 on:** June 08, 2018, 11:31:15 am »

Oh....I see.
I did it ofen when I was still studied in Univercity.

CJay · « **Reply #58 on:** June 08, 2018, 11:48:07 am »

You may find this thread useful too:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/rs-cmu200crtu-ru-how-to-backup-entire-hdd/

sky2city · « **Reply #59 on:** June 15, 2018, 10:40:32 am »

Hi Guys,
I got the solution finally. Thanks all of you.

I will post it later on. Given that the CPU fan sounds terrible, I am worry about it a lot.

I can' t find any Fan to replace it since that is a really old one.

if I can not replace the fan, I may add lubricate oil to reduce the noise from cpu fan.

Roger@2018-06-15

sbvr4 · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2019, 11:02:06 am »

Hi sky2city,
Sorry to dig this up, but would you mind sharing your solution? I have a FSEB that is stuck booting.

Thank you,
Sbvr4

OH2LIY · « **Reply #61 on:** June 13, 2019, 03:29:36 pm »

Hi, last time I used RPi3+PATA2USB converter to make backup/replace my HDD (NT4). Earlier I have used Partition Magic, but it's pita to use nowdays. If it helps someone I can put my notes, what I did last time:

Ramppa

apt-get install ntfs-3g

BACKUP:
ntfsclone --save-image --output backup.img /dev/sdb

Backup the BootSector/MBR: Some guides show only taking the first 512 bytes (MBR), others show the first 63 blocks (MBR + Bootloader).
dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.mbr bs=512 count=1
dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.vbr bs=512 count=63 <--this takes all!

RESTORE:
dd if=sdb.vbr of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=63
ntfsclone --restore-image --overwrite /dev/sdb1 backup.img
cfdisk /dev/sdb <-- make disk buutable!

--------------

root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.mbr bs=512 count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes copied, 0.0847422 s, 6.0 kB/s

root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.vbr bs=512 count=63
63+0 records in
63+0 records out
32256 bytes (32 kB, 32 KiB) copied, 0.103919 s, 310 kB/s

root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# ntfsclone --save-image --output backup.img /dev/sdb1
ntfsclone v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
NTFS volume version: 3.1
Cluster size : 512 bytes
Current volume size: 2146765312 bytes (2147 MB)
Current device size: 2146765824 bytes (2147 MB)
Scanning volume ...
100.00 percent completed

root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# ntfsclone --restore-image --overwrite /dev/sdb1 backup.img
ntfsclone v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
Ntfsclone image version: 10.1
Cluster size : 512 bytes
Image volume size : 2146765312 bytes (2147 MB)
Image device size : 2146765824 bytes
Space in use : 528 MB (24.6%)
Offset to image data : 56 (0x38) bytes
Restoring NTFS from image ...
100.00 percent completed
Syncing ...

root@shinning_new:/home/ramppa# cfdisk /dev/sdb <- make it bootable

Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
>> /dev/sdb1 * 63 4192964 4192902 2G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

sky2city · « **Reply #62 on:** June 13, 2019, 04:03:46 pm »

Quote from: sbvr4 on June 12, 2019, 11:02:06 am

Hi sky2city,
Sorry to dig this up, but would you mind sharing your solution? I have a FSEB that is stuck booting.

Thank you,
Sbvr4

My solution is :
1. use corrective TF CARD. SanDisk is tested to me.
2. use corrective TF to IDE adaptor. I recall the small card marked as AUAS is OK and cheap.
3. Use corrective software tools. those tools are tested by myself. A)Ubuntu ddrescue B) DD Ubuntu C) SelfImage-121(remember running in XP windows)
I attached the pic of sreccn shoot of commands that using ddrescue to backup/restore img.

Good luck.

sbvr4 · « **Reply #63 on:** June 19, 2019, 03:06:36 pm »

I have a FSEB with BIOS 3.3 that doesn't boot, 99% of the time. The hard drive was failing and I did everything stated above (CF update, RAM update), but despite multiple attempts with DD and DDrescue, it gets stuck at the same point and corrupts 4096 bits.
The odd thing is the SA will boot occasionally, usually immediately after the cpu has been removed to access the hard drive. It runs normally and passes all self-tests and calibration in these instances. Otherwise, it just hangs at "booting" with the bar spinning. This makes me think its a hardware issue more than software, but cant be sure.

Does anyone have a HDD image or firmware for BIOS v3.3? I believe v2.0 through v3.3 is compatible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Muxr · « **Reply #64 on:** June 19, 2019, 06:16:49 pm »

Here is my FSEA 30 image: http://rev.muxr.org/fsae/fsae30.tar.gz [41Mb]

Even if the version doesn't match perhaps you can dig into and see which file is corrupted. Maybe the particular file hadn't changed between versions. Hope that helps.

ddrescue has a --retry setting you could try as well, and see if that helps.

You could also give SpinRite a try. I had success in the past recovering corrupted drives with it. It's a low level utility (written in assembly) that does some fancy low level stuff to try and recover corrupted data.

It's $90 though: https://www.grc.com/cs/prepurch.htm

sbvr4 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 20, 2019, 10:23:13 am »

Thank you Muxr,
I'll give that a shot tonight and report back.

sbvr4 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 01, 2019, 03:04:35 am »

Unfortunately, it seems as though I have a hardware issue. I've used the .bin provided (thank you again Muxr) and the symptoms seem to be the same. It usually boots initially, after rewriting the hard drive, but gets stuck booting on attempts afterwards. I'm not sure where to go from here. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to troubleshoot to narrow down the possible cause? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

analogRF · « **Reply #67 on:** August 13, 2019, 06:56:58 pm »

Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?

rf-messkopf · « **Reply #68 on:** August 14, 2019, 12:28:18 pm »

Quote from: analogRF on August 13, 2019, 06:56:58 pm

Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?

Try SETUP -> SERVICE -> ENTER PASSWORD -> 894129 Hz.

analogRF · « **Reply #69 on:** August 14, 2019, 02:42:56 pm »

Quote from: rf-messkopf on August 14, 2019, 12:28:18 pm

Quote from: analogRF on August 13, 2019, 06:56:58 pm
Does anybody know what the Service PASSWORD is for FSEA/FSEB?

Try SETUP -> SERVICE -> ENTER PASSWORD -> 894129 Hz.

yes, R&S tech support also told me that was the password

analogRF · « **Reply #70 on:** August 15, 2019, 12:43:46 am »

Quote from: sbvr4 on June 19, 2019, 03:06:36 pm

I have a FSEB with BIOS 3.3 that doesn't boot, 99% of the time. The hard drive was failing and I did everything stated above (CF update, RAM update), but despite multiple attempts with DD and DDrescue, it gets stuck at the same point and corrupts 4096 bits.
The odd thing is the SA will boot occasionally, usually immediately after the cpu has been removed to access the hard drive. It runs normally and passes all self-tests and calibration in these instances. Otherwise, it just hangs at "booting" with the bar spinning. This makes me think its a hardware issue more than software, but cant be sure.

Does anyone have a HDD image or firmware for BIOS v3.3? I believe v2.0 through v3.3 is compatible. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

read my posts here
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/wanted-rohde-schwarz-fsea-service-floppy-disk-andor-schematics/new/#new

read the readme file in the second attachment that I posted. This is the service floppy for these analyzers and it was supposed
to be used for solving boot problems due to HDD corruption. That might help you

sbvr4 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 15, 2019, 04:44:39 pm »

analogRF that is really helpful. I'll give this a try once I can find a couple 3.5" floppies. Thank you very much!

analogRF · « **Reply #72 on:** August 15, 2019, 05:59:09 pm »

Quote from: sbvr4 on August 15, 2019, 04:44:39 pm

analogRF that is really helpful. I'll give this a try once I can find a couple 3.5" floppies. Thank you very much!

you're welcome

Give it a try and see if that helps to fix the boot issue and let us know

I have never used this service kit myself and I have not actually made those two floppies yet because my FSEA has more serious
hardware issues at the moment.

If you make those two service diskettes, could you please let me know if any of them contains the FSE_IO.EXE and GR_CHECK.EXE service routines?
These are used in troubleshooting these analyzers and I am hoping they will be on the diskette when it is unpacked.

sbvr4 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 15, 2019, 06:34:47 pm »

Will do analogRF. I'll let you know once I do.

Does anyone have the firmware update available for BIOS 3.XX? I'd like to give that a try if the repair disks don't do the trick.

Thank you,
sbvr4

sbvr4 · « **Reply #74 on:** January 20, 2020, 12:48:29 am »

Hi Muxr or anyone with knowledge regarding opt B15 computer function.
Where does the 50pin connector that comes off the processor daughter board plug in to? I ask because I wanted to add the "computer function" opt to my SA. I bought a processor board with the daughter and hard drive off of a FSIQ. I plugged the 50pin connector into X350 on the motherboard, but i get a blank display when powered on. I read that Windows NT requires an additional VGA card. Does anyone know if there is a VGA card present with this option?

Thank you,
Sean


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