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| mikeselectricstuff:
--- Quote from: piranha32 on May 30, 2017, 01:06:29 am ---phs, great list. I would like to add one thing that really annoys me since the day I took my scope out of the box: trigger on the sweep of the signal generator. --- End quote --- This is something that was highlighted internally pretty early on, so hopefully will be addressed soon. |
| Pinkus:
--- Quote from: LaurentR on May 30, 2017, 04:11:46 am ---....Their product folks clearly think this is how it should be. This is just saying we should keep the pressure on and not let go. I don't think these are class defining and they shouldn't be crippled just for market segmentation. I doubt too many people on this board will take the plunge and spend $10k on the next scope up just to get advanced triggering or math. What they will do is buy a Rigol, if they don't have one already. --- End quote --- +1 It is really astonishing: they do have a very competitive product in their market segment .... and then they are crippling it and leaving the segment. Really: without adv. math, more advanced triggers and duplex serial protocol analysis they are lacking features which are standard today even in the cheapest $500 hobby class. Missing these features are positioning the RTB2004 even below these $500 China devices. Yes, 10" and touch are nice to have. Also 10bit is nice to have. But important are the trigger & measurement functions and features inside the device! If you think this ought to be: sorry R&S then the RTB2004 will not be a device for me. I am fully honest: I am waiting for the first firmware revision to check if they are willing to improve and to add the missing features. If so I will buy one right away. Promised! If not: good bye R&S. I want a RTB2004 with duplex serial decoders, more trigger options, adv. measurements because I need this stuff. Your RTE1000 or RTM2000 and HMO1002/1202 are totally different segments and are not of interest (or way too expensive). Would I choose and/or wait for (a more expensive) pro-version with these features? No! Then the MSOX3024T with Appbundle is the gold standard and even today not more expensive than the RTB2004 with all options. And I even would get a 30% discount from Keysight by just dropping an old scope there. I can absolutely understand that companies do need market segments where they address their products too. It is fine for me if they segment on GS/s or bandwidth. Also memory and auto probe detection, zone trigger and other stuff. But crippling features like measurement, trigger and UART / SPI decode in a way they are even worse than what you get everywhere else for free or for a moderate premium ...... sorry R&S. This is dumb and this only offend potential customers. As I said: I am waiting for the next firmware (or at least a promise about what other features will follow in later releases). And I know 2 other people who sit an wait and who will then decide if the RTB2004 will be their next scope. Well, if not, for me it will not be a R&S scope but a Keysight. R&S: with the RTB2004 you have a nice device with a good UI and good basics which can gain the market share of R&S a lot ... if it would be competitive. But it is not competitive because you crippled it. The result: on Ebay they are two brand new unused RTB2004 with all options and full warranty (worth >7000 Euro). One is available for 3100 Euro ..... and nobody purchases it! Guess why? I do not know if this plea will find open ears. Maybe the product manager is not able to change the marketing decision of only implementing basic features. Maybe the RTB2004 is not important for R&S so they just do not care but care more for their other scopes (which are not interesting for me). Well, the next weeks will show if Rohde and Schwarz act smart or ..... |
| lem_ix:
I'm currently looking for a second scope and agree with the previous posters. The RTB can't even fully replace my r&s/hameg hmo. |
| Rich@RohdeScopesUSA:
Hi Everyone - thanks for the notes and sorry for my slow reply. Wasn't on here much yesterday. First - phs - thank you for the very detailed and thorough list of suggestions/fixes. Second - thanks to everyone else for adding additional weight behind the proposals. In the end, I'm not the person who defines what capabilities will be added/not added. BUT, I can absolutely pass this on and help advocate for new capabilities, and I do every time I hear the requests (even if they are repeat - in fact, especially if they are repeat, because that often means there is a strong need). So while I can't promise these capabilities will come tomorrow or next year or ever, we definitely still appreciate the feedback. On a related note - I checked on the updated firmware. It has moved slightly (not exactly sure why), but we should have an updated version in the not too distant future. Again, I'll update everyone as soon as it is available. -Rich |
| phs:
piranha32, Thanks. I agree - don't know if the hardware supports it, but trigger from AWG would be a great feature. Joel_l, Yeah, you're right - I didn't edit my list very well. Pulse and Width are basically the same. I think Nx Single determines how many waveforms are captured at a time, whereas Nth Edge Trigger triggers on a specific edge of a waveform, after a specified high/low time. I use Nth Edge a lot. LaurentR, You make good points. It would be a mistake for R&S to not flesh out the feature set of this instrument a bit more. If they can at least address the main 3 issues I listed, I could do most of what I need. Others likely have different needs. As it is now, I'll be reaching for another (much cheaper) scope frequently, which seems rather silly. I'd like to give them a chance though, and we'll see... I agree with points Pinkus and lem_ix make as well. Rich -- thanks for your response. I realize you are doing this as a volunteer effort and really appreciate your willingness to reach out to your customers. I hope your product managers are able to take these strong hints from folks who were willing to put money behind R&S as they attempt to enter this segment. It was risky to try a new product this early on, esp. when the user manual was clearly not mentioning a number of features we count on, but I let the introductory offer and the R&S name push me over the edge. Also, there wasn't a lot of time to make a decision, and though mikeselectricstuff has put up some excellent videos covering specific use cases, there was no review available anywhere (and still isn't) that thoroughly covered the feature set in comparison to other scopes which folks have been using for years now. The bottom line, is that we need to get work done now -- it was a long wait to get this thing. It would be helpful to know what the R&S plans are as soon as possible, as we may have more decisions to make. Thanks again, -- phs |
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