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| pdenisowski:
--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 13, 2023, 10:58:25 am ---I don't think he meant to compare FFT specs, certainly not with the MXO5. But just pointing that more than 1 FFT is standard even in bottom of the barrel 'scopes. At least 2 is actually quite handy to have. MXO4 should have 4, but 2 is a bare-minimum. I don't know much about the MXO5, but have watched quite a few videos about the MXO4 and was talking last week with a friend that has taken a course offered by his company with MXO4 scopes. He is quite impressed with it, and so am I, but these kind of arbitrary limitations beg a bit of questioning, at the very least. Edit: as per your las post FFT specs and screenshot, I don't think any budget oscilloscope is going to come close anytime soon. That is actually quite impressive. --- End quote --- Thanks! Yes, you're completely right in that FFT has become a "standard" function even in hobbyist / entry level scopes (I refuse to call anyone's product "bottom of the barrel" :)) About a decade ago R&S entered the (very crowded and very competitive) scope market, and one of our strengths from the beginning has been FFT / spectrum analysis -- something we're very, very familiar with. I'm not going to claim that our scopes do all things better than all other scopes (because that's simply not true), but I do honestly believe that the FFT / spectrum analysis on the MXO series oscilloscopes is the best in the industry. My personal feeling is that as FFT gets pushed down to hobbyist / entry level scopes, more oscilloscope users will begin to understand and appreciate both how useful FFT is as well as why FFT performance is important. It's one of those things you don't realize you need until you try it, and then you wonder how you ever got anything done without it :) (Edit: our waveform update rate is, objectively measured, also the best in the industry :)) |
| Antonio90:
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on December 13, 2023, 12:22:02 pm --- --- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 13, 2023, 10:58:25 am ---I don't think he meant to compare FFT specs, certainly not with the MXO5. But just pointing that more than 1 FFT is standard even in bottom of the barrel 'scopes. At least 2 is actually quite handy to have. MXO4 should have 4, but 2 is a bare-minimum. I don't know much about the MXO5, but have watched quite a few videos about the MXO4 and was talking last week with a friend that has taken a course offered by his company with MXO4 scopes. He is quite impressed with it, and so am I, but these kind of arbitrary limitations beg a bit of questioning, at the very least. Edit: as per your las post FFT specs and screenshot, I don't think any budget oscilloscope is going to come close anytime soon. That is actually quite impressive. --- End quote --- Thanks! Yes, you're completely right in that FFT has become a "standard" function even in hobbyist / entry level scopes (I refuse to call anyone's product "bottom of the barrel" :)) About a decade ago R&S entered the (very crowded and very competitive) scope market, and one of our strengths from the beginning has been FFT / spectrum analysis -- something we're very, very familiar with. I'm not going to claim that our scopes do all things better than all other scopes (because that's simply not true), but I do honestly believe that the FFT / spectrum analysis on the MXO series oscilloscopes is the best in the industry. My personal feeling is that as FFT gets pushed down to hobbyist / entry level scopes, more oscilloscope users will begin to understand and appreciate both how useful FFT is as well as why FFT performance is important. It's one of those things you don't realize you need until you try it, and then you wonder how you ever got anything done without it :) (Edit: our waveform update rate is, objectively measured, also the best in the industry :)) --- End quote --- Maybe I'll get to try one, sometime. It also has a really low noise front-end. I recall MarcoReps doing reference noise measurements directly on the scope with some averaging (or was it Sahriar?). It is really an awesome oscilloscope. I guess I just don't understand market segmentation, particularly at those levels. Either that or I'm spoiled by "feature overload" and undervalue feature polish and robustness. It's a hallmark of the novice in almost every area. |
| shabaz:
I find the spectrum analysis is turned on more often than not when the overhead is so low. It sometimes feels wrong not turning it on. I was using the MXO 4 today, when working on an isolated amplifier project. Sometimes I won't even need to apply cursors or measurements to the time-domain view, nor tweak the display in the time domain view, because I can readily see the issues in detail in the spectrum view instead, in fact things that I would never have seen otherwise. The detail becomes mesmerizing sometimes (there's 100 Hz resolution bandwidth set in the display in the attached screenshot, and the update rate is rapid, I can see intermittent signals coming and going (and it is possible to overlay the usual max hold trace and so on of course). I can imagine the multiple spectrum analyses on the MXO 5 will benefit all sorts of development work, including EMC testing where you could view the radiated and conducted emissions simultaneously. Also as yet unimaginable use-cases as customers get it into their hands over time. I wonder if some customers might just use the MXO 5 as purely a spectrum analyzer for monitoring purposes, if the specs meet their needs. At one lab, there were a load of Keysight spectrum analyzers, one per rack, that were being used for monitoring a specific part of a solution (it was replicating a customer scenario that I wasn't involved in at the time, so I didn't know the detail). An MXO 5 shared across the racks back then could have reduced the cost, plus provided a large operations centre style display over HDMI. |
| Martin72:
--- Quote from: pdenisowski on December 13, 2023, 09:53:57 am ---That said, I'm afraid I can't comment specifically on any of our upcoming scope models. Sorry! --- End quote --- That's a pity, because it would be really interesting to know whether there will be something "underneath", e.g. as a successor to the RTB2000/3000 series. ;) I like the MXO4, both from a distance and by sight. But a little over 9000€ (incl. VAT), that's a bit much for me too (that wouldn't be impossible, but then I'll have to be alone and eat packet soup indefinitely ;) ). |
| nctnico:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 13, 2023, 09:37:39 pm --- --- Quote from: pdenisowski on December 13, 2023, 09:53:57 am ---That said, I'm afraid I can't comment specifically on any of our upcoming scope models. Sorry! --- End quote --- That's a pity, because it would be really interesting to know whether there will be something "underneath", e.g. as a successor to the RTB2000/3000 series. ;) I like the MXO4, both from a distance and by sight. But a little over 9000€ (incl. VAT), that's a bit much for me too (that wouldn't be impossible, but then I'll have to be alone and eat packet soup indefinitely ;) ). --- End quote --- Yes and no. Problem is that when you starting adding options like protocol decoding and MSO, you quickly end up in the price range for the bundle with all options including 1.5GHz bandwidth. I don't need the 1.5GHz so a lower end model would suit me better feature and price wise. |
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