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tv84:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on October 30, 2023, 08:47:25 pm ---Cheaper or not, that is the question..
First I thought yes it must be, because of 100Mhz bandwith - But this is a eight-channel version...

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Martin, something like this will never be cheap (even if it was a 50MHz with 2-ch).

chriswebb:

--- Quote from: pdenisowski on October 30, 2023, 08:34:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: chriswebb on October 30, 2023, 07:26:54 pm ---I can’t help but think these new R&S scopes are underbaked and being rushed to market.

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Well, we spent over 4 years developing our own ASIC for the MXO4, which now has the fastest waveform update rate in the world (plus the deepest standard memory, our patented digital trigger, etc. etc. etc.). 

Since the cat is already halfway out of the bag (and will be all the way out of the bag in about 8 more hours), the MXO5 leverages a lot of those years of R&D we put into the MXO4.  And work on the MXO5 began long before the MXO4 was released last year.

No test and measurement instrument is brought to market with every feature and option available on the first day.  Sure, we'd like to do that, but the reality is that we have plenty of customers who buy our scopes (and spec ans, sig gens, VNAs, power sensors, etc.) and use them successfully with the features and options that are available today. 

I spent over 20 years as a field applications engineer working with T&M customers, and I can assure you that almost every customer has something they'd like us to add to even our most mature products.

So if we're releasing "underbaked" products, I'm not sure what else we could be doing - but we're always looking for feedback! :)

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I am in the market for a 2GHz scope at the moment and I was hoping your MXO 5 would fit the bill, but I cannot hope that one day you will implement the features that I need. I have to make the decision on the features you have delivered. And sure I could probably buy your scope and get the features i need from other equipment, but why would I do that when I can get everything I require in single packages elsewhere? I dont need dedicated equipment for features I may only need occasionally.

I would also like to add that what you said does not necessarily contradict my original point, i.e. you are now trying to rush to market to compete with cheaper brands’ new scopes to recoup your R&D costs of your new hardware while in my eyes at least not providing a more complete software package. I really like your new hardware, and I really was hoping that this would be my new scope.

Martin72:

--- Quote from: tv84 on October 30, 2023, 09:03:23 pm ---Martin, something like this will never be cheap (even if it was a 50MHz with 2-ch).

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Cheaper, not cheap.
But I quickly realized my mistake and so such a scope remains just a dream.
Theoretically.

pdenisowski:

--- Quote from: chriswebb on October 30, 2023, 09:17:59 pm ---
I am in the market for a 2GHz scope at the moment and I was hoping your MXO 5 would fit the bill, but I cannot hope that one day you will implement the features that I need. I have to make the decision on the features you have delivered. And sure I could probably buy your scope and get the features i need from other equipment, but why would I do that when I can get everything I require in single packages elsewhere? I dont need dedicated equipment for features I may only need occasionally.

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Completely fair.  Are there specific features that you're looking for that we don't have on the MXO5? 


--- Quote from: chriswebb on October 30, 2023, 09:17:59 pm ---I would also like to add that what you said does not necessarily contradict my original point, i.e. you are now trying to rush to market to compete with cheaper brands’ new scopes to recoup your R&D costs of your new hardware while in my eyes at least not providing a more complete software package. I really like your new hardware, and I really was hoping that this would be my new scope.
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I can absolutely, positively, 100% assure you that we aren't "rushing" anything to market to compete with "cheaper brands' new scopes"  :)

(and by "cheaper" I assume by this you mean Siglent, Rigol, Owon, etc.).

As a hobbyist who's bought both analog and digital scopes for his own personal use with his own money (I can post pictures :)), I'm honestly very impressed by how far some of these "cheaper brands' new scopes" have come in the last decade or so.  But that's not the market that we are addressing the the MXO4 and MXO5.

Yes, it'd be great of someone who was about to buy a new Rigol DHO80x said: "You know, I might just spend the extra money and get a R&S MXO", but I get the feeling that doesn't happen very often.  (Although if you are such a person, please PM me!)

But I do appreciate the feedback and I'm very sincere when I say that we are always interested in hearing which features / capabilities are most needed by our (potential) customers, so please do let us know!

Martin72:

--- Quote ---I can absolutely, positively, 100% assure you that we aren't "rushing" anything to market to compete with "cheaper brands' new scopes"
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Meanwhile, you can spend 20000 or more for a siglent or rigol scope, the models are there.
For the hobbyist with a somewhat higher budget, it would be interesting to know whether a successor to the RTB2000 is planned or in the starting blocks.
Edit:


--- Quote --- "You know, I might just spend the extra money and get a R&S MXO"
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At that time, I had resolved never to spend more than 2500€ on a scope.
Then came the SDS2000XHD and I put 3600 for it, that was already hard on the edge.
In the meantime I would go further if I could see a clear improvement in it, but....

https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Rohde-Schwarz-MXO44-242.html

No Sir... ;)

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