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| Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)? |
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| Martin72:
--- Quote ---. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class. --- End quote --- Still 8 bit has it´s place, even on expensive scopes(except the WS of course). |
| Martin72:
--- Quote ---But SDS6000 has very different, very fast architecture with ultra powerful Kintex FPGA and separate application processor. --- End quote --- Taking this as a example, it would be nice when siglent would publish it in the datasheets like other brands do. |
| Minki:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 05, 2022, 04:53:09 pm ---Let me just chime in a few words about SDS6000A. It is a fast scope with large touch screen. It is also very nice to use. If you get SDS6000A you can upgrade it all the way to 2 GHz. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class. I have SDS6000H12 Pro, and use it daily and love it. Visual design of R&S scope might be a bit more designed for a aesthetically applesque type of appearance, but Siglent GUI is logical, modern and does the job. Scope supports lots of stuff not being mentioned often: mapping of network drives, excellent remote control over browser (both great for documentation), 2 custom probes presets per channel, arbitratry math in 4 math channels (you type a complex mathematical expression and that is the channel). It supports eye/jitter package (RTM3K does not), comprehensive power analysis package, excellent FRA (Bode plot) analysis. It has 2 zone triggers, many advanced trigger options, many measurements, track and trend plotting, histogram analisys and histicons that are always running histograms on all measurements (I love this one, it's fantastic)... It is a very advanced mid range scope worth every cent. It is also a part of growing family of new touchscreen Siglent scopes that are their strategic platform. That means active maintenance and development. I personally thing that RTM3000 (while very nice scope) is no match to SDS6000 in its versatility. New R&S MXO4 might be, I don't know, haven't try it yet. But I'm confused as to what exactly would you do with the scope? Is 2GHz really necessary? --- End quote --- Dear 2N3055 after i am seen the Rudi’s Electronics Lab comparison ..can you share SDS6000A is still: 1.No math in Roll mode? 2.Any channel XY display 3.Non-ASCII char display in decode screen 4.decode not support 9bit RS-485 5.No error remind in protocol decoding 6.Slow Bode plots(Need 3min?) Thank You :D :D (May be go to SDS6000A....because it real cheap than RTM so much... :scared: :scared: :phew: :phew:) |
| 2N3055:
--- Quote from: Minki on November 06, 2022, 01:58:57 pm --- --- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 05, 2022, 04:53:09 pm ---Let me just chime in a few words about SDS6000A. It is a fast scope with large touch screen. It is also very nice to use. If you get SDS6000A you can upgrade it all the way to 2 GHz. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class. I have SDS6000H12 Pro, and use it daily and love it. Visual design of R&S scope might be a bit more designed for a aesthetically applesque type of appearance, but Siglent GUI is logical, modern and does the job. Scope supports lots of stuff not being mentioned often: mapping of network drives, excellent remote control over browser (both great for documentation), 2 custom probes presets per channel, arbitratry math in 4 math channels (you type a complex mathematical expression and that is the channel). It supports eye/jitter package (RTM3K does not), comprehensive power analysis package, excellent FRA (Bode plot) analysis. It has 2 zone triggers, many advanced trigger options, many measurements, track and trend plotting, histogram analisys and histicons that are always running histograms on all measurements (I love this one, it's fantastic)... It is a very advanced mid range scope worth every cent. It is also a part of growing family of new touchscreen Siglent scopes that are their strategic platform. That means active maintenance and development. I personally thing that RTM3000 (while very nice scope) is no match to SDS6000 in its versatility. New R&S MXO4 might be, I don't know, haven't try it yet. But I'm confused as to what exactly would you do with the scope? Is 2GHz really necessary? --- End quote --- Dear 2N3055 after i am seen the Rudi’s Electronics Lab comparison ..can you share SDS6000A is still: 1.No math in Roll mode? 2.Any channel XY display 3.Non-ASCII char display in decode screen 4.decode not support 9bit RS-485 5.No error remind in protocol decoding 6.Slow Bode plots(Need 3min?) Thank You :D :D (May be go to SDS6000A....because it real cheap than RTM so much... :scared: :scared: :phew: :phew:) --- End quote --- 1. NO Math in roll mode. Keysight MSOX3104T doesn't have it either. And implementing math in roll mode would be of limited use. There are number of things that cannot work in that mode. 2. X-Y is on ch1-2. Same as Keysight MSOX3104T. 3. Non-ASCII char display in decode screen. I don't understand: do you mean as different encoding like UNICODE? 4. No there is no support for RS-485 9-bit data framing address mode at this time... 5. There are error markers in decode. Every manufacturer decides to what depth error tagging goes and how representation is. There are also differences between protocols. Need more info to be able to resond. 6. Bode plots take time depending on algorithm and settings used. I can make Keysight FRA take reallyyyy long time if I max out all the settings..more than 10 minutes.. Siglent FRA will have better dynamic range, more channels (really unique feature), wider frequency range, etc... It will be a little slower than some others but that is because it does more averaging and extracts better results.. |
| Minki:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on November 06, 2022, 04:45:35 pm ---1. NO Math in roll mode. Keysight MSOX3104T doesn't have it either. And implementing math in roll mode would be of limited use. There are number of things that cannot work in that mode. 2. X-Y is on ch1-2. Same as Keysight MSOX3104T. 3. Non-ASCII char display in decode screen. I don't understand: do you mean as different encoding like UNICODE? 4. No there is no support for RS-485 9-bit data framing address mode at this time... 5. There are error markers in decode. Every manufacturer decides to what depth error tagging goes and how representation is. There are also differences between protocols. Need more info to be able to resond. 6. Bode plots take time depending on algorithm and settings used. I can make Keysight FRA take reallyyyy long time if I max out all the settings..more than 10 minutes.. Siglent FRA will have better dynamic range, more channels (really unique feature), wider frequency range, etc... It will be a little slower than some others but that is because it does more averaging and extracts better results.. --- End quote --- About item 3 and 5 like that. https://youtu.be/5MofTw7N2t8?t=1718 Thank 's :) |
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