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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2022, 01:18:56 am »

About item 3 and 5 like that.
https://youtu.be/5MofTw7N2t8?t=1718

Thank 's :)
Rudi still learns how to drive SDS2000X Plus.
SDS6000A has many more features that make it different to operate and get different results from the Plus versions.
Not a fair or accurate comparison.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2022, 01:28:39 am »
Rudi still learns how to drive SDS2000X Plus.
SDS6000A has many more features that make it different to operate and get different results from the Plus versions.
Not a fair or accurate comparison.
:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(Just i say before i can't loan a unit for both supplier so that i only can rely on the youtuber test...
And some one(?) tell me the operation logic is same on SDS2000X and 6000A so that is want to confirm those problem...
And i want to ask that does Siglent official support the hobbyist purchase...?Will like keysight if buy in personal will no any services...?

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2022, 01:45:12 am »
Rudi still learns how to drive SDS2000X Plus.
SDS6000A has many more features that make it different to operate and get different results from the Plus versions.
Not a fair or accurate comparison.
:( :( :( :'( :'( :'(Just i say before i can't loan a unit for both supplier so that i only can rely on the youtuber test...
And some one(?) tell me the operation logic is same on SDS2000X and 6000A so that is want to confirm those problem...
And i want to ask that does Siglent official support the hobbyist purchase...?Will like keysight if buy in personal will no any services...?

Thank 's
Please understand 6000A looks and operates similar to 2000X Plus but the Decode List length is the same for both models however when the scope is used correctly to display many packets of bus data the list while only 7 lines high can contain many 100 of packets to be scrolled through.
Rudi did not show this as he fails to understand WYSIWYG and does not use the DSO to best effect.

SDS6000A can be identical or very different, as also can SDS2000X HD or SDS5000X due to the new memory management features that the much cheaper (now on special SDS2104X+ for $999) does not have.

My SDS6204X Plus is packed to go to Defpom for review but maybe I can take some quick screenshots to show the decode choices, Hex, ASCI etc.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2022, 02:12:47 am »

My SDS6204X Plus is packed to go to Defpom for review but maybe I can take some quick screenshots to show the decode choices, Hex, ASCI etc.
Thank you...but wait 6000X plus....?
....what is the different of 6000A/6000X(plus?)/6000 Pro....?
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2022, 02:54:26 am »

My SDS6204X Plus is packed to go to Defpom for review but maybe I can take some quick screenshots to show the decode choices, Hex, ASCI etc.
Thank you...but wait 6000X plus....?
....what is the different of 6000A/6000X(plus?)/6000 Pro....?
Sorry, SDS6204A.  |O
Here's a quick snap of the 4 different decode outputs, Binary, Decimal. Hex and ASCI.

Now it's out on the bench do you wanna see some decodes ? I only have the Siglent STB3 test board with I2C, CAN, UART, SPI and LIN.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2022, 03:10:55 am »

Sorry, SDS6204A.  |O
Here's a quick snap of the 4 different decode outputs, Binary, Decimal. Hex and ASCI.

Now it's out on the bench do you wanna see some decodes ? I only have the Siglent STB3 test board with I2C, CAN, UART, SPI and LIN.
Of course want to see :-+ :-+
Please also test :
1.will LIN display error when suddenly pull out the board?
2.Really not support 9bit RS485?

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2022, 03:19:58 am »

Sorry, SDS6204A.  |O
Here's a quick snap of the 4 different decode outputs, Binary, Decimal. Hex and ASCI.

Now it's out on the bench do you wanna see some decodes ? I only have the Siglent STB3 test board with I2C, CAN, UART, SPI and LIN.
Of course want to see :-+ :-+
Please also test :
1.will LIN display error when suddenly pull out the board?
2.Really not support 9bit RS485?

Thank's
1. The decode list will vanish unless it is captured with Stop or some Single Trigger setting.
2. Don't know, haven't looked only seen what 2N3055 wrote. We may have slightly different FW between Pro and A models, IDK.

Will put something up in a few hours.......other things to do.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2022, 03:40:31 am »

1. The decode list will vanish unless it is captured with Stop or some Single Trigger setting.
2. Don't know, haven't looked only seen what 2N3055 wrote. We may have slightly different FW between Pro and A models, IDK.

Will put something up in a few hours.......other things to do.
Like LIN had checksum...will 6000A display/notify if the checksum error....?
Or some case is mcu hang up during send out 8bit UART,I2C.....the send not finish..will 6000A display/notify there had a error...?

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2022, 06:16:59 am »
Some I2C for your study.
H Position left at 0s whereas we might instead position it left for decoding where we can also lock it for it to be not influenced by timebase settings.
Nothing stopped, everything captured on the fly with only a simple Edge trigger plus some Holdoff to prevent retriggering within a packet.
One capture, #5 showing the List with 100 packets decoded which we can view anywhere in the list with the scrollwheel on the wireless mouse Siglent provide with these scopes.

You want some UART and LIN next ?
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2022, 07:01:12 am »
Some I2C for your study.
H Position left at 0s whereas we might instead position it left for decoding where we can also lock it for it to be not influenced by timebase settings.
Nothing stopped, everything captured on the fly with only a simple Edge trigger plus some Holdoff to prevent retriggering within a packet.
One capture, #5 showing the List with 100 packets decoded which we can view anywhere in the list with the scrollwheel on the wireless mouse Siglent provide with these scopes.

You want some UART and LIN next ?
Yes please  ;D ;D ;D ;D :-+ :-+
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2022, 08:04:24 am »
Right then.....that was fun as internal storage saved the day !  :phew:
I knew it was available and had briefly played with it so when a USB drive/stick looks like it's inserted but isn't screenshots get sent to internal memory and with the File Manager it's a very simple matter to Copy/Paste them to a USB stick later.
A couple of shots with settings purposely incorrect to show what errors look like.
UART followed with some LIN
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2022, 08:43:39 am »
Right then.....that was fun as internal storage saved the day !  :phew:
I knew it was available and had briefly played with it so when a USB drive/stick looks like it's inserted but isn't screenshots get sent to internal memory and with the File Manager it's a very simple matter to Copy/Paste them to a USB stick later.
A couple of shots with settings purposely incorrect to show what errors look like.
UART followed with some LIN
Thank's tautech seem 6000A had the error detection.... :D
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2022, 09:00:35 am »
There are other tricks we could use to decode packets well off the display but not tonight as bed calls.

SDS2000X HD can do this stuff too as can SDS5000X, both of which are on promotion until years end.
They both use two ADC's and 1 GSa/s and 2.5 GSa/s are their all channels active sampling rates whereas SDS6000A has four 5 GSa/s ADC's therefore suffers no penalty when all channels are active.

I have owned SDS5000X for a few years but recently sold it when SDS6000A arrived however now on special promotion and now with memory management features you should seriously consider the SDS5000X unless the larger screen, higher sampling and deeper memory are preferred.

Tomorrow I visit Defpom and he can have a play with SDS6000A for a week or two....he already owns SDS2000X Plus that he won in a Siglent competition. I think he will do well with demonstrating its advanced features his X Plus does not have.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2022, 04:53:36 pm »
I wish the design of the decoders will be someday polished in a lecroy way and not looking always "rudimentary"... :)

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2022, 02:19:59 am »
I wish the design of the decoders will be someday polished in a lecroy way and not looking always "rudimentary"... :)
May be the reason is  Siglent no UI designer.............. |O :palm:
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2022, 01:45:29 am »
Well....may go for SDS6054A.....because the price of RTM3K-54PK can buy SDS6054A+SDG6022X ....
But still thinking.....because it very expensive for me.... |O |O |O |O :palm: :palm: :palm:
 


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