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I am think to buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro hope can get some suggestion....
(70% hobby use 30% job use)
Price:
RTM3K-54PK Full Package            € 7,860(May be need € 200 shipping)
SDS6034 H10 Pro RMB 48880~~ € 6,795
SDS6054A                                  € 6,480<-Win
Siglent cheap about €1400

Sample rate:
RTM3K-54PK          500MHz <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro  350MHz
SDS6054A            500MHz<-Win
I haven't seen SDS6000 pro had BW and bit hack?
6000A had 2G hack?


Memory:
RTM3K-54PK          80M
SDS6034 H10 Pro  500M<-Win
SDS6054A             500M<-Win

Other:
RTM3K-54PK          Come with SG and logic probe <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro   Need but signal gen and DIY logic probe
SDS6054A             Had 2G hack?

If SDS 6000 pro can be hack of course buying Siglent ...but if it can't does RTM3K-54PK is a good chose?
(Why R&S can't be hack :'( :'( :'()
(R&S measure result more reliable?)
Or should waiting MXO4 had a pomo?(Option is important than BW....)

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2022, 11:23:15 am »
If you are going to do protocol decoding then go for the R&S for sure. Protocol decoding on the RTM3004 is a real joy to use.

Either way, it is best to just try both scopes so you can compare by yourself. If you buy a car, you take it for a test drive. The same goes for test equipment in this price range. Just make sure to prepare some test scenarios that are representative for the work you do. Otherwise you'd be twiddling some knobs and still not get a feel for which instrument is most useful to you.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2022, 01:17:04 pm »
If you are going to do protocol decoding then go for the R&S for sure. Protocol decoding on the RTM3004 is a real joy to use.

I actually made a short video showing basic setup and decode of UART on the RTM

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2022, 04:43:21 pm »
There is one thing you don't show in your video and that is the automatic rotation of the text inside the balloons holding the data. It will rotate if the bus decode trace is high enough. This allows to get much more information on the screen and makes it easier to get a good overview of what is going on. Needless to say I like that feature a lot. I'm not aware other oscilloscopes do this.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 07:15:35 pm »
I am think to buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro hope can get some suggestion....
(70% hobby use 30% job use)
Price:
RTM3K-54PK Full Package            € 7,860(May be need € 200 shipping)
SDS6034 H10 Pro RMB 48880~~ € 6,795<-Win

Siglent cheap about €1200

Sample rate:
RTM3K-54PK          500MHz <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro  350MHz
I haven't seen SDS6000 pro had BW and bit hack?

Memory:
RTM3K-54PK          80M
SDS6034 H10 Pro  500M<-Win

Other:
RTM3K-54PK          Come with SG and logic probe <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro   Need but signal gen and DIY logic probe

If SDS 6000 pro can be hack of course buying Siglent ...but if it can't does RTM3K-54PK is a good chose?
(Why R&S can't be hack :'( :'( :'()
(R&S measure result more reliable?)
Or should waiting MXO4 had a pomo?(Option is important than BW....)
Welcome to the forum.

FYI H10 Pro models are not available to the west.
Instead SDS6000A models are which provide 5 GSa/s (10 GSa/s ESR) per channel and 500 MPts memory with models of 500MHz, 1 or 2 GHz.
To answer you other question, our SDS6204A now magically has all options permanently installed.  ;)

However FYI, SDS5000X is under promotion (as some other models are too) with free option bundles and BW upgrades that amount to considerable savings.Memory depth, while not the immense 500 Mpts is still a healthy 250 Mpts.
Promo details:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-62.html
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2022, 01:47:38 am »
thank you guys  ;) ;)
If you are going to do protocol decoding then go for the R&S for sure. Protocol decoding on the RTM3004 is a real joy to use.

Either way, it is best to just try both scopes so you can compare by yourself. If you buy a car, you take it for a test drive. The same goes for test equipment in this price range. Just make sure to prepare some test scenarios that are representative for the work you do. Otherwise you'd be twiddling some knobs and still not get a feel for which instrument is most useful to you.
You got the point....but i can't test using both scope...only rely on the youtuber test... :palm:
So that me struggle on buying which on since it very expensive for me  :palm: |O
If you are going to do protocol decoding then go for the R&S for sure. Protocol decoding on the RTM3004 is a real joy to use.

I actually made a short video showing basic setup and decode of UART on the RTM


Look great but will RTM add more decode in future?Like the NFC and USB 2.0/USB PD?
And will MXO4 had pomo with all option...?I see MXO44-242 cost € 7,600 with no option :-BROKE :-BROKE.... If the price is near is good choose 200Mhz MXO4 but not RTM 500MHz(If both had all option?)
I am think to buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro hope can get some suggestion....
(70% hobby use 30% job use)
Price:
RTM3K-54PK Full Package            € 7,860(May be need € 200 shipping)
SDS6034 H10 Pro RMB 48880~~ € 6,795<-Win

Siglent cheap about €1200

Sample rate:
RTM3K-54PK          500MHz <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro  350MHz
I haven't seen SDS6000 pro had BW and bit hack?

Memory:
RTM3K-54PK          80M
SDS6034 H10 Pro  500M<-Win

Other:
RTM3K-54PK          Come with SG and logic probe <-Win
SDS6034 H10 Pro   Need but signal gen and DIY logic probe

If SDS 6000 pro can be hack of course buying Siglent ...but if it can't does RTM3K-54PK is a good chose?
(Why R&S can't be hack :'( :'( :'()
(R&S measure result more reliable?)
Or should waiting MXO4 had a pomo?(Option is important than BW....)
Welcome to the forum.

FYI H10 Pro models are not available to the west.
Instead SDS6000A models are which provide 5 GSa/s (10 GSa/s ESR) per channel and 500 MPts memory with models of 500MHz, 1 or 2 GHz.
To answer you other question, our SDS6204A now magically has all options permanently installed.  ;)

However FYI, SDS5000X is under promotion (as some other models are too) with free option bundles and BW upgrades that amount to considerable savings.Memory depth, while not the immense 500 Mpts is still a healthy 250 Mpts.
Promo details:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-62.html
Thank 's ^^ this is my first topic....
>FYI H10 Pro models are not available to the west.
I know that and i had the channel to get that   ;) ;)(Keep looking the RMB exchange rate decline >:D >:D >:D >:D)
But since the H10 Pro models are not available to the west....the are no information tell the different between X and H10 Pro...
Only know H10 Pro had lower datasheet noise floor than the RTM ??? .... and 8M FFT :-//
Since seeing some discussion in there seem 10bit ADC is important?...So  i look for the H10 Pro model..... :-\

 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2022, 11:09:50 am »
Look great but will RTM add more decode in future?Like the NFC and USB 2.0/USB PD?

We do support some USB decodes on our higher-end scopes, but we haven't announced any plans to support this on the RTM.

And will MXO4 had pomo with all option...?

There have been similar promotions on other scopes in the past, but we don't currently have an "all options" promo for the MXO4. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2022, 11:16:42 am »
thank you guys  ;) ;)
If you are going to do protocol decoding then go for the R&S for sure. Protocol decoding on the RTM3004 is a real joy to use.

Either way, it is best to just try both scopes so you can compare by yourself. If you buy a car, you take it for a test drive. The same goes for test equipment in this price range. Just make sure to prepare some test scenarios that are representative for the work you do. Otherwise you'd be twiddling some knobs and still not get a feel for which instrument is most useful to you.
You got the point....but i can't test using both scope...only rely on the youtuber test... :palm:
So that me struggle on buying which on since it very expensive for me  :palm: |O
I would assume you'd be able to get a loan unit from an R&S dealer in Japan... Unfortunately many Youtube reviews are rather shallow so I really recommend getting test units before committing to buy. I have regretted not doing that in the past; it ended up costing me several k euro because the equipment dealer didn't want to take it back while the unit clearly wasn't delivering what was promised.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2022, 11:25:04 am »
>FYI H10 Pro models are not available to the west.
I know that and i had the channel to get that   ;) ;)(Keep looking the RMB exchange rate decline >:D >:D >:D >:D)
But since the H10 Pro models are not available to the west....the are no information tell the different between X and H10 Pro...
Only know H10 Pro had lower datasheet noise floor than the RTM ??? .... and 8M FFT :-//
Since seeing some discussion in there seem 10bit ADC is important?...So  i look for the H10 Pro model..... :-\

AFAIK SDS6034 H10 Pro 350MHz  is based on platform that goes up to 1 GHz, with 2 ADC and different memory architecture.
Worldwide SDS6000A are all 2GHz platform, common with domestic 2GHz SDS6206H8/10/12 PRO, with 4 ADC converters.
Only that platform has support for Jitter/eye.

So if you want to "reach" 2GHz, and have jitter/eye option you either have to buy any world release SDS6000A (8bit), or full 2GHz chinese version.

Software wise (except eye/jitter)everything else is the same, FFT length and all.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2022, 02:44:16 pm »
I would assume you'd be able to get a loan unit from an R&S dealer in Japan... Unfortunately many Youtube reviews are rather shallow so I really recommend getting test units before committing to buy. I have regretted not doing that in the past; it ended up costing me several k euro because the equipment dealer didn't want to take it back while the unit clearly wasn't delivering what was promised.
:-\ :-\ :-\I don't think that they will  loan  a unit for a hobbyist............
AFAIK SDS6034 H10 Pro 350MHz  is based on platform that goes up to 1 GHz, with 2 ADC and different memory architecture.
Worldwide SDS6000A are all 2GHz platform, common with domestic 2GHz SDS6206H8/10/12 PRO, with 4 ADC converters.
Only that platform has support for Jitter/eye.

So if you want to "reach" 2GHz, and have jitter/eye option you either have to buy any world release SDS6000A (8bit), or full 2GHz chinese version.

Software wise (except eye/jitter)everything else is the same, FFT length and all.
May be the new problem now is does the 10bit ADC is important......?
I see many post talk about ENOB....and two tone FFT..... So the RTM 10Bit really greater(useful?) than SDS6000 8bit...?
And any one can tell the SDS6000A UI speed?
I am using RIGOL DS2102A.....very slow  |O |O and it only 2ch that i look to buy a 4CH scope.....
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2022, 02:47:17 pm »
I would assume you'd be able to get a loan unit from an R&S dealer in Japan... Unfortunately many Youtube reviews are rather shallow so I really recommend getting test units before committing to buy. I have regretted not doing that in the past; it ended up costing me several k euro because the equipment dealer didn't want to take it back while the unit clearly wasn't delivering what was promised.
:-\ :-\ :-\I don't think that they will  loan  a unit for a hobbyist............
I don't see why a dealer wouldn't do that for somebody who is seriously considering to buy a piece of equipment.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2022, 02:00:17 am »
And any one can tell the SDS6000A UI speed?
It's no different to any on the newer Siglent models, SDS2kX Plus, 5kX or 2kX HD.
Ever since Siglent has switched to Xilinx, starting with the SDS1202X-E some years back they have been more responsive.
https://www.xilinx.com/content/dam/xilinx/publications/powered-by-xilinx/siglent-case-study.pdf
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2022, 02:21:08 am »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2022, 03:36:19 am »
And any one can tell the SDS6000A UI speed?
It's no different to any on the newer Siglent models, SDS2kX Plus, 5kX or 2kX HD.
Ever since Siglent has switched to Xilinx, starting with the SDS1202X-E some years back they have been more responsive.
https://www.xilinx.com/content/dam/xilinx/publications/powered-by-xilinx/siglent-case-study.pdf
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.
As i know the FPGA is using for control the sample and math calculate only but not drawing the UI...?
 

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2022, 11:32:21 am »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.

What are you talking about?
You really think SDS6000A has same architecture as SDS1000X-E?
LOL.
It has separate application processor with GPU and DSP acc...
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2022, 03:39:38 pm »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.

What are you talking about?
What Tautech pointed to ofcourse...
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2022, 03:53:12 pm »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.

What are you talking about?
What Tautech pointed to ofcourse...
That was simple time frame reference i guess..
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2022, 04:35:23 pm »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.

What are you talking about?
What Tautech pointed to ofcourse...
That was simple time frame reference i guess..
I see now that Xilinx has updated the document; previously that case study showed the Xilinx Zync FPGAs with internal ARM cores. So basically Xilinx is telling you the same as I was writing: Zync is outdated.
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2022, 04:53:09 pm »
I would assume you'd be able to get a loan unit from an R&S dealer in Japan... Unfortunately many Youtube reviews are rather shallow so I really recommend getting test units before committing to buy. I have regretted not doing that in the past; it ended up costing me several k euro because the equipment dealer didn't want to take it back while the unit clearly wasn't delivering what was promised.
:-\ :-\ :-\I don't think that they will  loan  a unit for a hobbyist............
AFAIK SDS6034 H10 Pro 350MHz  is based on platform that goes up to 1 GHz, with 2 ADC and different memory architecture.
Worldwide SDS6000A are all 2GHz platform, common with domestic 2GHz SDS6206H8/10/12 PRO, with 4 ADC converters.
Only that platform has support for Jitter/eye.

So if you want to "reach" 2GHz, and have jitter/eye option you either have to buy any world release SDS6000A (8bit), or full 2GHz chinese version.

Software wise (except eye/jitter)everything else is the same, FFT length and all.
May be the new problem now is does the 10bit ADC is important......?
I see many post talk about ENOB....and two tone FFT..... So the RTM 10Bit really greater(useful?) than SDS6000 8bit...?
And any one can tell the SDS6000A UI speed?
I am using RIGOL DS2102A.....very slow  |O |O and it only 2ch that i look to buy a 4CH scope.....

Let me just chime in a few words about SDS6000A. It is a fast scope with large touch screen. It is also very nice to use. If you get SDS6000A you can upgrade it all the way to 2 GHz. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you  want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class.
I have SDS6000H12 Pro, and use it daily and love it.
Visual design of R&S scope might be a bit more designed for a aesthetically applesque type of  appearance, but Siglent GUI is logical, modern and does the job.
Scope supports lots of stuff not being mentioned often: mapping of network drives, excellent remote control over browser (both great for documentation), 2 custom probes presets per channel, arbitratry math in 4 math channels (you type a complex mathematical expression and that is the channel). It supports eye/jitter package (RTM3K does not), comprehensive power analysis package, excellent FRA (Bode plot) analysis. It has 2 zone triggers, many advanced trigger options, many measurements, track and trend plotting, histogram analisys and histicons that are always running histograms on all measurements (I love this one, it's fantastic)...
It is a very advanced mid range scope worth every cent.
It is also a part of growing family of new touchscreen Siglent scopes that are their strategic platform. That means active maintenance and development.

I personally thing that RTM3000 (while very nice scope) is no match to SDS6000 in its versatility. New R&S MXO4  might be, I don't know, haven't try it yet.

But I'm confused as to what exactly would you do with the scope? Is 2GHz really necessary?
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2022, 05:03:51 pm »
The reality is that those Xilinx FPGAs have slow CPUs by today's standards and no GPU for graphics accelleration. In that respect the platform is pretty outdated. The new Rigol HD scope -for example- has a Rockchip CPU which does have a GPU to accellerate graphics and thus can deliver faster drawing of screen objects.

What are you talking about?
What Tautech pointed to ofcourse...
That was simple time frame reference i guess..
I see now that Xilinx has updated the document; previously that case study showed the Xilinx Zync FPGAs with internal ARM cores. So basically Xilinx is telling you the same as I was writing: Zync is outdated.

Are you trying to get me in argument or what? What do I care for Zinq?

I told you SDS6000 has advanced architecture that uses no Zynq and has a separate application processor that has not only advanced ARM cores, but DSP slices, graphics accelerators and more... And it uses Kintex Ultrascale.

OP asked if SDS6000A is slow. In course of answers you pointed out that Siglent architecture is slow and that new Rigol is faster, based on false info what is inside SDS6000 would be same as old SDS1000X-E .. So I responded.

Naturally Rigol brand new 4000€ scope has faster processor that 450€ Siglent that is now 5 years old.

But SDS6000 has very different, very fast architecture with ultra powerful Kintex FPGA and separate application processor. SDS6000 is very fast.

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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro(X)SDS6054A(O)?
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2022, 09:55:48 pm »
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. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you  want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class.

Still 8 bit has it´s place, even on expensive scopes(except the WS of course).
 
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2022, 10:05:39 pm »
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But SDS6000 has very different, very fast architecture with ultra powerful Kintex FPGA and separate application processor.

Taking this as a example, it would be nice when siglent would publish it in the datasheets like other brands do.
 
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2022, 01:58:57 pm »
Let me just chime in a few words about SDS6000A. It is a fast scope with large touch screen. It is also very nice to use. If you get SDS6000A you can upgrade it all the way to 2 GHz. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you  want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class.
I have SDS6000H12 Pro, and use it daily and love it.
Visual design of R&S scope might be a bit more designed for a aesthetically applesque type of  appearance, but Siglent GUI is logical, modern and does the job.
Scope supports lots of stuff not being mentioned often: mapping of network drives, excellent remote control over browser (both great for documentation), 2 custom probes presets per channel, arbitratry math in 4 math channels (you type a complex mathematical expression and that is the channel). It supports eye/jitter package (RTM3K does not), comprehensive power analysis package, excellent FRA (Bode plot) analysis. It has 2 zone triggers, many advanced trigger options, many measurements, track and trend plotting, histogram analisys and histicons that are always running histograms on all measurements (I love this one, it's fantastic)...
It is a very advanced mid range scope worth every cent.
It is also a part of growing family of new touchscreen Siglent scopes that are their strategic platform. That means active maintenance and development.

I personally thing that RTM3000 (while very nice scope) is no match to SDS6000 in its versatility. New R&S MXO4  might be, I don't know, haven't try it yet.

But I'm confused as to what exactly would you do with the scope? Is 2GHz really necessary?
Dear 2N3055 after i am seen the Rudi’s Electronics Lab comparison ..can you share SDS6000A is still:
1.No math in Roll mode?
2.Any channel XY display
3.Non-ASCII char display in decode screen
4.decode not support 9bit RS-485
5.No error remind in protocol decoding
6.Slow Bode plots(Need 3min?)

Thank You :D :D
(May be go to SDS6000A....because it real cheap than RTM so much... :scared: :scared: :phew: :phew:)
 
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2022, 04:45:35 pm »
Let me just chime in a few words about SDS6000A. It is a fast scope with large touch screen. It is also very nice to use. If you get SDS6000A you can upgrade it all the way to 2 GHz. It is 8bit but has low noise front end and noise wise will perfom on par with R&S. How important 10 bit resolution is? Well it is not so much difference, from 8 bit to 12 bit it is visible difference. It depends if you are doing stuff where you  want to squeeze every little bit. In general work god 8 bit ADC and good front end does the job, and in Siglent SDS6000A both are world class.
I have SDS6000H12 Pro, and use it daily and love it.
Visual design of R&S scope might be a bit more designed for a aesthetically applesque type of  appearance, but Siglent GUI is logical, modern and does the job.
Scope supports lots of stuff not being mentioned often: mapping of network drives, excellent remote control over browser (both great for documentation), 2 custom probes presets per channel, arbitratry math in 4 math channels (you type a complex mathematical expression and that is the channel). It supports eye/jitter package (RTM3K does not), comprehensive power analysis package, excellent FRA (Bode plot) analysis. It has 2 zone triggers, many advanced trigger options, many measurements, track and trend plotting, histogram analisys and histicons that are always running histograms on all measurements (I love this one, it's fantastic)...
It is a very advanced mid range scope worth every cent.
It is also a part of growing family of new touchscreen Siglent scopes that are their strategic platform. That means active maintenance and development.

I personally thing that RTM3000 (while very nice scope) is no match to SDS6000 in its versatility. New R&S MXO4  might be, I don't know, haven't try it yet.

But I'm confused as to what exactly would you do with the scope? Is 2GHz really necessary?
Dear 2N3055 after i am seen the Rudi’s Electronics Lab comparison ..can you share SDS6000A is still:
1.No math in Roll mode?
2.Any channel XY display
3.Non-ASCII char display in decode screen
4.decode not support 9bit RS-485
5.No error remind in protocol decoding
6.Slow Bode plots(Need 3min?)

Thank You :D :D
(May be go to SDS6000A....because it real cheap than RTM so much... :scared: :scared: :phew: :phew:)

1. NO Math in roll mode. Keysight MSOX3104T doesn't have it either. And implementing math in roll mode would be of limited use. There are number of things that cannot work in that mode.
2. X-Y is on ch1-2. Same as Keysight MSOX3104T.
3. Non-ASCII char display in decode screen. I don't understand: do you mean as different encoding like UNICODE?
4. No there is no support for RS-485 9-bit data framing address mode at this time...
5. There are error markers in decode. Every manufacturer decides to what depth error tagging goes and how representation is. There are also differences between protocols. Need more info to be able to resond.
6. Bode plots take time depending on algorithm and settings used. I can make Keysight FRA take reallyyyy long time if I max out all the settings..more than 10 minutes.. Siglent FRA will have better dynamic range, more channels (really unique feature), wider frequency range, etc... It will be a little slower than some others but that is because it does more averaging and extracts better results.. 
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Re: Should buy R&S RTM3K-54PK or Siglent SDS6034 H10 Pro?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2022, 12:58:13 am »
1. NO Math in roll mode. Keysight MSOX3104T doesn't have it either. And implementing math in roll mode would be of limited use. There are number of things that cannot work in that mode.
2. X-Y is on ch1-2. Same as Keysight MSOX3104T.
3. Non-ASCII char display in decode screen. I don't understand: do you mean as different encoding like UNICODE?
4. No there is no support for RS-485 9-bit data framing address mode at this time...
5. There are error markers in decode. Every manufacturer decides to what depth error tagging goes and how representation is. There are also differences between protocols. Need more info to be able to resond.
6. Bode plots take time depending on algorithm and settings used. I can make Keysight FRA take reallyyyy long time if I max out all the settings..more than 10 minutes.. Siglent FRA will have better dynamic range, more channels (really unique feature), wider frequency range, etc... It will be a little slower than some others but that is because it does more averaging and extracts better results..
About item 3 and 5 like that.
https://youtu.be/5MofTw7N2t8?t=1718

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