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Should I buy a Rigol MSO5000?
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nctnico:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on April 07, 2019, 08:06:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---Also the MSO2074A and RTB2004 work today and not in a few years from now (or never).
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Today, after several firmware updates…..and what means "working" in this case ?

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Working without bugs ofcourse and deliver on specs  :palm: Please don't play dumb. Both scopes I mentioned worked way better when introduced and both manufacturers are way more responsive when it comes to fixing bugs compared to Rigol. In general GW Instek gives you a beta version within days or weeks and puts the fix in the next release, R&S has fixed release cycles with a clearly defined roadmap (just ask Rich from R&S). One point you may have is that the RTB2004 could do with more fixing when it was release but the first batch got sold for a ridiculously low price ($2k with full options IIRC).
2N3055:

--- Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2019, 08:30:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Martin72 on April 07, 2019, 08:06:13 pm ---
--- Quote ---Also the MSO2074A and RTB2004 work today and not in a few years from now (or never).
--- End quote ---
Today, after several firmware updates…..and what means "working" in this case ?

--- End quote ---
Working without bugs ofcourse and deliver on specs  :palm: Please don't play dumb. Both scopes I mentioned worked way better when introduced and both manufacturers are way more responsive when it comes to fixing bugs compared to Rigol. In general GW Instek gives you a beta version within days or weeks and puts the fix in the next release, R&S has fixed release cycles with a clearly defined roadmap (just ask Rich from R&S). One point you may have is that the RTB2004 could do with more fixing when it was release but the first batch got sold for a ridiculously low price ($2k with full options IIRC).

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Read and weep....Dozens of bugs with basic functions ...
It was officially released March 2017.

And from end of document excerpt:
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1.4 Known Issues
The following tables list the known issues and indicate since which version the issue
could be observed:
Known issues of Firmware V02.202:
Since Issue
V02.101 Zoom window created with zoom tool: in rare cases the vertical zoom positon of the zoom
window is wrong.
V01.000 Trigger type timeout with "Stays High|Low" configured as range: with this setup some trigger events will be lost.

So bugs in triggering since release still not fixed...

I really like how "repaired defects" are named "improvements". Sleazy.

I actually give you that GW Instek is very good, much better in quality and price performance than RTB2000.

So yeah Rigol actually has LESS bugs on release..



 
nimish:
I bought a MSO5074 + pod because at $1400 or so I could hack it to to an otherwise 2000/3000+ scope. I'm a hobbyist. I don't make money off of my equipment. I wanted something that is good enough to last until 5-10 pass and the tech is cheap enough that I can drop $500 to replace it, vs spending $3000 now and being sad in 5 years that a toaster could out-sample my scope.

If you rely on scopes for your $, then yes Keysight/Tek/RS/etc make sense, since you can use it as deductible R&D capex. No such luck for the hobbyist. You can't offer something 2x-3x as pricy as a "comparable" offering in an extremely price sensitive segment.

The MSO5074 + hack is a very good deal despite the nits that rule it out for businesses and "serious" uses. If my hobby takes off into a business, and the RoI makes it worth it, I'll look at upgrading. Until then I'll stick to the MSO5000 and its warts, which fra nkly as a new user to scopes aren't a big deal. I script most of my dealings with it anyway  :-//

But until then, nctnico and his vendetta against hobbyists buying cheap scopes that offer extreme value for money will always baffle me.
Martin72:

--- Quote ---Both scopes I mentioned worked way better when introduced and both manufacturers are way more responsive when it comes to fixing bugs compared to Rigol.
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Did you compare it ?

Do you have a mso 5000 and work with it to do such a statement ?

nctnico:

--- Quote from: 2N3055 on April 07, 2019, 09:03:11 pm ---Read and weep....Dozens of bugs with basic functions ...
It was officially released March 2017.

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Dozens? Where? The known issues from the latest release notes only lists two:
https://scdn.rohde-schwarz.com/ur/pws/dl_downloads/dl_firmware/pdf_3/RTB2000_ReleaseNotes_v02.202.pdf
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