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Should I buy a Rigol MSO5000?

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dietert1:
My proposal is considering a scope with active probes, if someone wants to work above 100 or 200 MHz. Our LeCroy AP020 1GHz active probes are as easy to use as a passive probe. They just get a little bit warm. Do we need to discuss the difficulties of probing at 10 GHz and how a LeCroy 10 GHz scope sounds like a vacuum cleaner?
Recapping our LeCroy 9354A happened after the arrival of the Rigol DS2202E and nobody knows whether the Rigol will survive ten years. Even with it's age of more than twenty years, our LeCroy 9354A has its advantages, for example the active probe interfaces. It also got a diode gate made of a 50A bridge rectifier in its protective ground connection, so it has a +/- 1.2 V ground free margin and less noise with small signals. It came to us from another lab and the only reason we got it was it did no longer power on. It doesn't smell at all.
I am just demonstrating how $1000 may get you a 500 MHz DSO with two active probes, nothing more.

Regards, Dieter

nimish:

--- Quote from: nctnico on April 07, 2019, 09:20:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: nimish on April 07, 2019, 09:14:43 pm ---But until then, nctnico and his vendetta against hobbyists buying cheap scopes that offer extreme value for money will always baffle me.

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Sorry but you are absolutely wrong here. If you like it, you like it but wait until you need advanced feature like protocol decoding to work. What baffles me is that people buy half baked products and pretend they are equivalent to equipment costing 5 to 10 times more.  :palm: Rigol will need years to fix it. The threads about the DS1054Z, DS2000 and DS4000 series are all the proof you need.

If Dave can spot several simple issues right of the bat then there are many more lurking because Dave's testing isn't thourough to begin with (and that is OK because really thourough testing would result in a long winded boring video).

Edit: besides that: the Rigol MSO5000 isn't an entry level or cheap scope to begin with. They want a serious amount of money for it.

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My dude, the MSO5074 is $999. That's not a lot, it's cheaper than my phone, but it is a stretch for a *hobbyist*. The alternative for a *hobbyist* is _not_ a $5000 Keysight scope, it's a $300 cheapass chinese scope or nothing for anything above 200MHz. For the price, there is *nothing* at the level of the MSO5074 + hacks (which as a hobbyist doesn't matter) + a hack pod or real one ($400).

If you paid $5000 for an MSO5074 there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. But we're talking about a hacked $1000 scope, where such things like minor bugs are ok, because you saved thousands.

This is what I don't get; you are talking about a whole other world in terms of people who need absolute reliability -- in which case, spend the $3k, $5k for quality support (it'll pay for itself!) vs a Chinesium grade scope. But I am, and many others in the thread are, in the hobbyist world where outlay cost matters far more than a few extra hours of time.

Fungus:

--- Quote from: nimish on April 08, 2019, 06:23:24 pm ---This is what I don't get; you are talking about a whole other world in terms of people who need absolute reliability -- in which case, spend the $3k, $5k for quality support

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My question is: If a 'scope costs that much money then why does it need any support. Surely it should be completely bug free, easy to use, reliable, nice manual, etc.

Where does "support" enter into it?  :popcorn:


nimish:

--- Quote from: Fungus on April 08, 2019, 07:35:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: nimish on April 08, 2019, 06:23:24 pm ---This is what I don't get; you are talking about a whole other world in terms of people who need absolute reliability -- in which case, spend the $3k, $5k for quality support

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My question is: If a 'scope costs that much money then why does it need any support. Surely it should be completely bug free, easy to use, reliable, nice manual, etc.

Where does "support" enter into it?  :popcorn:

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When you run into a situation where you just can't take the time to learn the scope and need/want someone to help with something. 10min of talking to an expert can replace a week of spinning in circles.

If you don't need/want that, I don't see the point in spending the money on ultra high end scope gear, because that's what actually costs real money.

iMo:
The biggest mistake one can make (when looking for an o'scope or 6+ digits DMM like me) is to join eevblog and start to read the relevant threads.

5-6 years back I was discussing with my local seller a purchase of rigol's DS4014 and rigol's xxxx DMM.

Unfortunately, I discovered the eevblog and started to read the threads.

I've been not able to decide on an o'scope and a DMM.

Even worse, it seems to me, more and more, all o'scopes and DMMs, whatever brand, are boxes full of worms.

 :palm:

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