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Should I buy a Rigol MSO5000?
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NoisyBoy:
Back to OP's original intend, I think it is dangerous to assume a 5074 can be unlocked for full capability indefinitely.  If you continue to upgrade firmware to get the latest fixes, the hack may or may not work in the future, and you could be back to a 70 MHz scope with no AWG.  I am not saying the 5074 is a bad scope, but counting on hacked features as your basis for upgrade may bring you unexpected disappointment.

The build-in AWG is OK, but definitely not going to beat any standalone AWG out there if you look closer at the spec.  If I were you, I would also consider an alternative of spending much less and just buying a good AWG to add to what you have.  It will give you the flexibility to upgrade each component to exactly what you need when the time comes.

Just something to think about.
Fungus:

--- Quote from: TK on April 05, 2019, 01:31:46 am ---My problem was that I expected something really different for a $999 scope.  It just feels like a DS1054Z plus.
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I'm not sure what you expected but $999 is exactly "DS1054Z plus" money.


--- Quote from: TK on April 05, 2019, 01:31:46 am ---If the DS1054Z and MSO5074 are the only scopes you used, I am sure you will be satisfied.

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How much would a 4 channel, 350Mhz bandwidth, 8 GSamples/sec, 400Mb RAM 'scope cost from Keysight/Tek/R&S?

It seems like somebody is comparing the MSO5000 to equivalent spec scopes from high-end players, not equivalent money.


--- Quote from: luma on April 05, 2019, 01:02:08 am ---As usual on the internet, the loudest voices here are going to be the people with something to complain about.  I can't believe some people would spend so much mental energy on "pluses" but here we are...

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My DS1054Z has shown me four wiggly lines on screen at specified bandwidth from day one. It triggers well, it has plenty of memory, it does a good job at the basic things.

The user interface isn't stellar? The FFT is a bit rubbish? There's a spelling mistake in a menu? I can still sleep at night knowing that.
Fungus:

--- Quote from: NoisyBoy on April 05, 2019, 06:38:59 am ---Back to OP's original intend, I think it is dangerous to assume a 5074 can be unlocked for full capability indefinitely.

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Nah, I think it's a pretty safe bet. The people in the hacking thread simply know too much about the system now.

eg. Rigol changed the root password from the Xilinx default in the latest firmware update? That might have just been to stop it being pwned by botnets.

(b) They've been selling hackable 'scopes for decades when it would have been easy to close the "holes". eg. The DS1054Z would have been nothing without hacking. With hacking they sold a million units (rough estimate based on no data whatsoever).

and, (c) There's no way in hell the MSO5000 can compete in the market without hacking. $5000 for all options? That's a complete joke. $999 for the 70Mhz version? That's almost worse - their competitors sell 200Mhz 'scopes for half that.
nctnico:

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Whats your basis for saying the things about it taking years to fix bugs? And I doubt very much you can get a used ds1054z for 150 EUR.

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He's one of the resident Rigol haters. Safely ignorable.

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I wouldn't accuse or portray the motivation as hate, but rather there is a conflict of interest and potential monetary gain to be had if negative perceptions of Rigol are proliferated.

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Not true. If there is anyone with a monetary interest in Rigol it must be Fungus. In every Rigol-ish topic he is the one pretending it is all sunshine and unicorns. Usually pretending that long (10s to 100s of pages long) topics about bugs in Rigol equipment don't even exist.  :palm: Perhaps it is time Fungus reveals himself as a Rigol employee.

For clarity: I have no monetary interest in any brand. Just trying to help people make a good choice for themselves by showing the good AND the bad.  As I wrote before it is easy to become 'begeistert' with so many features -on paper- for a low price and lose sight of reality.

The oscilloscope market is just interesting to follow and so far the A-brands don't seem to feel threatened at all.
ebclr:
All those bugs on Rigol are simple "neurotic people bugs", on a day to day use, you don't feel any of those bugs, I use my 1054 for years, and are very happy, I'm not fool enough to pay 5 times more for brands Like Keysigth, that still have bugs, and everything there is expensive from the probes to the service. It's unquestionable that Rigol and Siglent give more for your money
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