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| tautech:
--- Quote from: Mechatrommer on December 12, 2023, 08:14:29 am --- --- Quote from: Martin72 on December 12, 2023, 06:26:35 am --- --- Quote ---and you cant get FFT right on DHO800.. why is that --- End quote --- Because I can't do magic. ;) --- End quote --- what kind of excuse is that? All it takes is few button presses and knob rotations. no need magic, it looks to me you tried to achieve what dave got... dick n balls.. pro can do much better.. for eg. setting mem depth to 1Mpts is deliberate work. if you got dick n balls, its only use intuition to increase mem depth to 10Mpts to get better view. Maybe Fungus is right you only look for its weakness, compare n represent it with best setting of siglent and you call that 20yrs of field TE experience.. i'll say 20yrs experience of using one particular brand only and nothing else.. not even high end one.. --- End quote --- Pull your head in Mech as Martin uses high end LeCroys at his work and knows plenty about TE in general. |
| Antonio90:
Quick price conversion at current rates. I certainly didn't expect this. It remains to be seen whether these ratios reach the West or not. Maybe it's a promotional price to directly compete for christmas gifts? The SDS824 HD is priced at DHO1074 BF level, and based on rf-loop posts I assume the lower versions will have some hardware memory differences? I don't think there's anything quite like this. A 4-channel, 2GSa/s, 12 bit, bode-plot capability, 4 MPTs FFT, 4 math channels, arbitrary math, etc. Basically SDS6000 software for around 300 bucks is just nuts. |
| NE666:
--- Quote from: gf on December 12, 2023, 10:07:01 am ---No product is bug-free. Much more important than the bug itself is IMO the way in which the vendor deals with bug reports. Are they acknowledged at all? Is the vendor willing to fix bugs? And how long do I need to wait for fixes? --- End quote --- ^^That, exactly that. I've a few Rigol items but I'm mostly ambivalent to the brand. They are tools which work for me, at a price I'm prepared to pay for them, end of. However, "disappointed" is more on target, if I'm really asked and more important to Rigol themselves, I'm now reluctant to purchase anything else from them. Someone here previously said words to the effect that "software shouldn't be released until it is fully specified, 100% correct". Nice idea in theory, and true(er) if you're working on code for life-at-risk applications. However, in today's world, that's not how development is done, not if you ever want to release anything and make some money so that you can continue to develop it further. So long as the code/product gives some value to someone in its current state, relative to its cost to them (direct and indirect) it's good to go. The (massively important) corollary to this is, successful software companies/publishers have an effective feedback loop around that. You engage with your user base and actively solicit and encourage that engagement. You log and track their issues (preferably openly and publicly) and you correct and adapt with regular release cycles. You, within varying margins of error, publish the proposed content of future releases and estimated timescales. You have an effective release management process (not "why is this F/W revision available on one international site but not another?) This is what, imho, is missing from Rigol's approach and which if in place, would remove much of the negative sentiment we're seeing playing out in the above conversations. They've a GitHub repository but where is the bug list? Where is the user forum? Where is the engagement / response to users? Where is the published release cadence? They do nothing of value with it, such a wasted opportunity for a company largely addressing today's hobbyists for which this is development 101. You CAN make money, capture markets and simultaneously satisfy users with alpha/beta release products/software (see Tesla, or Apple iPhone before them, if you're in any doubt) and it's a perfectly valid strategy. But you have to play the game as intended. BTW - Rigol, if you're reading, I've a couple of decades in software product management and I'm available. I'd be happy to show you how this is done. ;) |
| Mechatrommer:
--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 12, 2023, 08:46:16 am ---I have not apologized. This is a fundamental error in the FFT, which others had also found, read there again. If you still think it's an operator error, then show us how to do it properly there, it's off-topic here. --- End quote --- flat top windowing function admittedly got something wrong. why you think insisting on buggy window is the way to look at FFT? there are other window functions thats not buggy, why in your infinite and maturely wisdom not suggesting those?. btw, i'm talking about resolution or bin size of the FFT, i provided you with reply in that thread with all relevant windowings with "proper" resolution, not dick'n balls resolution. and again linked here, i'm not sure if you can read, or you only want to see what you want to see... --- Quote from: PELL on December 12, 2023, 09:56:29 am ---If I see one more toxic reply with aggressive words, I will delete this thread. --- End quote --- try it, you cant. we tried on our own threads. and fwiw, i believe this is what is called "discussion" as long as its academic and civil not including personal insult. i have no objection. or course you'll find some "harsh" word meant for joke here and there, you cant get rid of it here in this forum i bet you that... this is dave's forum after all. do you know how he terms things? yeah! dick n balls is one of it! i bet you havent seen enough of his videos. cheers. |
| ebastler:
--- Quote from: rf-loop on December 12, 2023, 06:26:21 am ---SDS800X HD model serie is now officially released inside China. --- End quote --- How long does it typically take after that until an international product release? The 1000X HD was (and still is) obviously untypical. Any word from Siglent regarding planned release dates in the Western world, for both the 800 and 1000X HD series? |
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