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Siglent just drop its mic: New SDS800HD 12bit scope crazy price leaked
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tv84:

--- Quote from: Warhawk on December 11, 2023, 03:51:36 pm ---There is, however, a risk that the overall quality and sw readiness will suffer over time in attempt to be the first on the market.

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Not only risk. It's a reality already!
Antonio90:
I might be wrong, but my perception is that there are a few die-hard Siglent fans here, a couple of Siglent distributors and another two or three Siglent testers.
They go around the forum, especially Rigol threads continuously, showing how $3k scopes are better in every regard than $300 ones, and there is even a $400 Siglent scope that is much better at FFT than Rigol.

There are surely die-hard Rigol fans, but they aren't as active. You can identify pretty clearly who I'm talking about, because they only show specific things that are better on Siglent, and never anything that's better on Rigol. They are also really active in the forum and, besides their (nonprofit?) Siglent PR and advertisement work, they are competent engineers, useful contributors and, most of them, quite nice actually.
EDIT: They sometimes aren't as nice, if you dare to criticize Siglent. They might even be capable of questioning the professional competence of some users if they dare to chose a cheaper Rigol over Siglent for hobby use, which nobody competent enough would do  ::)

I think every hobbyist has to thank Rigol for driving a very strong competition, pushing the rest of manufacturers to compete in price and features, and also has to thank Siglent, for bringing refined software and higher-end analytical features to the entry level TM market.

I sometimes get "sports team fan" vibes from the arguments about Siglent vs Rigol. Again, I might be wrong, but hardly biased.
Mechatrommer:

--- Quote from: Warhawk on December 11, 2023, 03:51:36 pm ---But generally I don't know why there are two groups that throw rocks at each other. Competition is good. Hobbyists probably greatly benefit from Siglent vs Rigol competition. There is, however, a risk that the overall quality and sw readiness will suffer over time in attempt to be the first on the market.
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we usually dont throw rock at siglent, its them thats starting. but now as long as its not insulting to the intelligence, even if they throw at us, i dont feel like to throw back at them because i feel "i'm invincible, i'm unstoppable, i'm so powerful, i dont need batteries today". its them thats threaten not us, thats why this thread exists. cheers.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 05:06:15 pm ---They go around the forum, especially Rigol threads continuously, showing how $3k scopes are better in every regard than $300 ones, and there is even a $400 Siglent scope that is much better at FFT than Rigol.

There are surely die-hard Rigol fans, but they aren't as active.

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This sounds like a heavily biased perspective to me. I see a lot of threads on here, and it's basically impossible to have a Siglent thread without some specific Rigol fanboys flinging mud and mediocre opinions.

Personally, I hate Rigol, based on my experience with my first scope being a 1054Z. I don't go posting hate in Rigol threads though. The only thing I've said in a Rigol thread was giving kudos for them adding VESA mounts on some of their new scopes, because I think it's a cool feature.
Antonio90:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on December 11, 2023, 05:56:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 05:06:15 pm ---They go around the forum, especially Rigol threads continuously, showing how $3k scopes are better in every regard than $300 ones, and there is even a $400 Siglent scope that is much better at FFT than Rigol.

There are surely die-hard Rigol fans, but they aren't as active.

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This sounds like a heavily biased perspective to me. I see a lot of threads on here, and it's basically impossible to have a Siglent thread without some specific Rigol fanboys flinging mud and mediocre opinions.

Personally, I hate Rigol, based on my experience with my first scope being a 1054Z. I don't go posting hate in Rigol threads though. The only thing I've said in a Rigol thread was giving kudos for them adding VESA mounts on some of their new scopes, because I think it's a cool feature.

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Sorry, you don't get your hate for a whole brand to be taken seriously out of a single experience of a single range and single class instrument. There are PSUs, DMMs, SAs, VNAs and a whole host of test equipment from Rigol. Also a lot more scopes. You disliked a piece of TM equipment, nothing more, nothing less.

We all know the SDS2000X-Plus is a great instrument. Often, "Being a fan", and almost always "hating" are just not rational stances, just comfortable ones.

In any case, look at recent Rigol threads. There are more pics from Siglent 'scopes than Rigol ones in some of them. The fact that you don't do it doesn't mean it hasn't been done.

Edit: I might be mistaken, and I might have some kind of personal bias based on the manners of some users, my own interpretation of posts, etc. What I meant is than I am not biased towards any of the brands because I'm not invested at all, neither in Rigol equipment nor Siglent. I want a 12 bit scope, and it will most likely be a Siglent one. But I don't have any kind of attachment or feelings (positive or negative) towards the brands. They are just the ones I can afford new.
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