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Martin72:

--- Quote ---as per the "unfinished alpha level toys", this is exactly the problem. That's a value judgement coming out of hate or strong dislike.
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I like rigol.
After 2 months of almost daily testing, I would say it is not yet a fully mature product.
That sounds nicer, but actually says the same thing.
Antonio90:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 11, 2023, 06:40:07 pm ---
--- Quote ---as per the "unfinished alpha level toys", this is exactly the problem. That's a value judgement coming out of hate or strong dislike.
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I like rigol.
After 2 months of almost daily testing, I would say it is not yet a fully mature product.
That sounds nicer, but actually says the same thing.

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No, It doesn't. A toy, by definition and design, is not a tool.
A partially unfinished tool, that needs more development (as did the MSO5000), is just not a toy.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 06:43:49 pm ---No, It doesn't. A toy, by definition and design, is not a tool.
A partially unfinished tool, that needs more development (as did the MSO5000), is just not a toy.

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Even toy hammers can smash things. 😉
Mechatrommer:

--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 11, 2023, 06:40:07 pm ---
--- Quote ---as per the "unfinished alpha level toys", this is exactly the problem. That's a value judgement coming out of hate or strong dislike.
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After 2 months of almost daily testing, I would say it is not yet a fully mature product.
That sounds nicer, but actually says the same thing.

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when i first got ds1054z, of course there are bugs here and there but imho its not the core functionality of an "oscilloscope". anyone remember "pluses"? but from time to time, minor bugs got fixed. i'm not sure about serial decoder since i dont use it, i consider it as bell and whistle. another major (minor?) function i need (brought down from ds1052e) is downloadable data to PC, this one i cant let go. and it also got fixed from time to time, so i continue to be a rigol user. others may have different experience. some bugs also not fixed such as laggy UI, maybe its the limit. at one point in time, i thought about siglent programmability to download data to PC, but since there is no example people have done it, and i dont feel i will have extra benefit and its higher price, so i thought "maybe next time", who knows maybe this is the time? lets see. in fact today i'm still using ds1054z on my main bench, the dho804 is going to be my "lab rat" now until maybe its FW/hackability is fully matured. fwiw...


--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 06:43:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 11, 2023, 06:40:07 pm ---
--- Quote ---as per the "unfinished alpha level toys", this is exactly the problem. That's a value judgement coming out of hate or strong dislike.
--- End quote ---
I like rigol.
After 2 months of almost daily testing, I would say it is not yet a fully mature product.
That sounds nicer, but actually says the same thing.

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No, It doesn't. A toy, by definition and design, is not a tool.
A partially unfinished tool, that needs more development (as did the MSO5000), is just not a toy.

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i'm sorry for you people not knowing how to use it as a DSO. ;D if ds1054z is a toy, i will still have ds1052e running now as main DSO, but unfortunately it gave up after heavy hack and probably end of life ROM...
2N3055:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 06:27:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on December 11, 2023, 06:17:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 06:06:07 pm ---Sorry, you don't get your hate for a whole brand to be taken seriously out of a single experience of a single range and single class instrument. There are PSUs, DMMs, SAs, VNAs and a whole host of test equipment from Rigol. Also a lot more scopes. You disliked a piece of TM equipment, nothing more, nothing less.

We all know the SDS2000X-Plus is a great instrument. Often, "Being a fan", and almost always "hating" are just not rational stances, just comfortable ones.

In any case, look at recent Rigol threads. There are more pics from Siglent 'scopes than Rigol ones in some of them. The fact that you don't do it doesn't mean it hasn't been done.

Edit: I might be mistaken, and I might have some kind of personal bias based on the manners of some users, my own interpretation of posts, etc. What I meant is than I am not biased towards any of the brands because I'm not invested at all, neither in Rigol equipment nor Siglent. I want a 12 bit scope, and it will most likely be a Siglent one. But I don't have any kind of attachment or feelings (positive or negative) towards the brands. They are just the ones I can afford new.

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🤣🤣🤣 I don't need you to take my Rigol hate seriously, it isn't that serious. If it makes you feel better, l also hate their design choices for their UI, I hate that they release unfinished alpha level toys, etc. For me, there's plenty to hate about them. Also, hate in this case is an exaggeration, I strongly dislike them, but hate types out faster. 😉

I have lots of positive feelings towards Siglent. I've had excellent experiences across a number of devices, and their support, for years. My worst experience with Siglent is them offering only a 50% discount to calibrate a DMM I bought used...and let's face it, that's still pretty damn generous.

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It cannot be taken seriously in the sense that it cannot help anyone making a decision about Rigol, other than "Don't buy a DSO1054Z", which nobody will do anymore (new).

As per the "unfinished alpha level toys", this is exactly the problem. That's a value judgement coming out of hate or strong dislike. The new Rigol range, with all it's flaws, has excellent tools for basic 'scope use, and then more. It's the equivalent of calling someone an idiot or some other insult more or less elaborated. Just not useful at all.

Siglent has gotten a lot of that from "A" brands only users, and I find that extremely unhelpful too, and akin to the way a sports team fan talks about competitor sports teams.

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Your statements here are just wrong.  Rigol released HDO series a YEAR ago. 5 months ago they released cheap end of range.
All of them with software in alpha state of development. If you don't understand what that means ask somebody to explain it to you.

Hint: software look, feel and feature set needs to be complete and frozen in specification. It needs to be fully implemented. It needs to be able to pass basic featureset testing.
There were parts of U/I missing or being redefined, BODE plot was not right, FFT windowing coefficients are not correct. There were errors in displaying data in different timebases, there are errors in triggering, decodes etc... That is software that was released in alpha stage.
Beta stage software is feature complete but it wasn't tested in depth. All works but full stress test of production work was not tested.

If Rigol released in that stage that would be fine. But they didn't.
It is not hate. It is simply truth. And those are things that were obvious. Just imagine what is yet to be discovered from those real obscure bugs that show only at specific settings.
Rigols software making process for these scopes is horrible. You can see it from results.
And my opinion is like that because this is not first time. MSO5000/7000 release was complete mess too. Took them years to bring them to decent condition.

As for fanboys.
I am Rigol user. I have DM3068, DP831A, DG1062Z. I had DS1074Z before.
If I have any "feeling" towards Rigol it is disappointment.  DS1074Z was cute little scope but had too many compromises. Shame, but if they only fixed few stupid things it would have been great scope not only OK for the money.  Missed opportunity.
DP831A was bought as advanced PSU with measurements, monitoring, arbitrary V/A generation etc. It is low noise (electrically). First one died on me in warranty, was sent another one. Good service from Rigol. But PSU is loud even on idle and very much so under any load. GUI is so poorly written that using any advanced function is so hard I ended not using it for any of those (although I paid for it). So now I use it as simple low noise linear 2+1 Ch PSU. Overvoltage protection is in software. It takes 400ms to react. Yes, 0.4 seconds. And it is stupid that if you set OVP for 5 volts, and then go to that channel and set it for 30V and enable channel, not only it will let you set 30V, it will enable channel and then only 400ms later it will trip protection...
Etc, etc. It could have been fantastic PSU but failed to fulfil its promise. By inferior software design.
Same with DM3068. It is a 6.5digit DMM that is accurate and stable. But software has same problems. It is just weird and quirky.
DG1062Z is my favourite of them all. Very nice AWG, stable, clean signal, even nice GUI for AWG setting. But they had to screw up something. Counter is crap... Since I don't use it, I don't care and that instrument is my favourite from them all. So from my personal experience over more than 5 years and with 4 devices it is does seem like Rigol as a company has this running theme.
And it really is a shame, because (apart from that DP831A that got replaced) they are all working for 5+ years and have been reliable so far.

So next time before you fanboy him or him or her, make sure to make your facts straight.
And there ARE rabid Rigol fanboys that come to Siglent posts and just spew stupid things. Read this post from beginning ad you will recognize them too.
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