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PELL:
Guys.... be nice to each other.

The original idea for making this post was to share some little funny toys with you guys. But it ends up as an argument. :palm:

If this argument continues, I will probably lock down this thread (If I can)

Fungus:

--- Quote from: PELL on December 12, 2023, 01:03:47 am ---Guys.... be nice to each other.

The original idea for making this post was to share some little funny toys with you guys. But it ends up as an argument. :palm:

If this argument continues, I will probably lock down this thread (If I can)

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This is normal...

Fungus:

--- Quote from: nctnico on December 12, 2023, 12:46:04 am ---I regret very little in life but buying Siglent equipment is one of the things I regret deeply.

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Joesmith (of meter destruction fame) tells a similar story.

Veteran68:
As a software engineer by profession, similar "religious" arguments between brand A and brand B, or product A and product B, are not at all uncommon. Wars about programmer's editors (edlin vs Brief vs PE2 vs vi vs emacs) or IDEs (Borland vs Microsoft vs Eclipse vs NetBeans vs VSCode...) or languages (C vs C++ vs Java vs Python vs ...) have always existed and always will. Programmers are really passionate about their tools and like to get awfully worked up about it. Not unlike the Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge folks, or the XBox vs Playstation folks.

Obviously, hardware guys are the same about their test equipment. :)

Me personally, I rose above all that years ago. Give me the best tool for the job. I'm always open to change, and am always looking for the next new tool. I can be happy with a tool for years, and will drop it in a heartbeat if I find another I like better. So I'm no "fanboy." I own Macs and PCs, Linux and Windows, I code in C/C++, Java, C#, Javascript, Python... whatever gets the job at hand done. I own both XBox and Playstation consoles. And so on.

Sure, I tend to lean towards brands I like. I have an affinity towards Siglent because it was the "B" brand that I started with when I equipped my own hobby lab. I saw Rigol gear was popular with hobbyists, but something about Siglent just spoke to me so that's the route I went. And I have this unhealthy obsession (OCD?) with matching my gear unless something is just totally trash. I'll tend to prefer 80% of the value or functionality just to have the same brand as another piece of gear at 100%.

I did not jump on the DHO800/900 bandwagon because I wanted to see it play out, and it looked like a bumpy start. Based on what I'd been hearing and reading, that was typical for Rigol. But Siglent dragging their feet on releasing an entry level 12-bit scope that could compete, and me itching for an upgrade for my SDS1104X-E (even though I don't really *need* an upgrade), combined with Rigol's investment in custom ASICs with no sign that Siglent was doing the same kind of investment, kept my mind open on Rigol.

The nail in the coffin was the 40% off BF deal on the DHO1074. Within minutes of receiving it, I had it "liberated" to its full potential with the upgrades. The equivalent DHO model is $1849. I paid $563+tax delivered. And it's beautiful! It's definitely not a "toy" as some people put it. Have I stressed it to the buggy breaking point yet? Nope. Will I ever? Maybe not, I'm just a hobbyist that works more in the digital world than analog (though I do dabble a little). Like I said, I couldn't really justify the upgrade. But I wanted to upgrade, and so far I'm very happy with my Rigol -- even if it's the only Rigol among four other Siglent devices.

Had it not been for the BF sale, I'd still be waiting for Siglent to release something comparable in price/features. And if/when they DO finally release something comparable in the US, I'll consider offloading the Rigol and getting it. Or maybe not. But in the meantime, I have a very nice, very useful Rigol scope that I'm quite happy with. Maybe I'll placate my OCD by printing a Siglent badge to stick over the Rigol one, LOL.

EDIT: Oh, and I've definitely noticed the Rigol fans crapping in Siglent threads. That definitely cuts both ways.

JPortici:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 11, 2023, 10:04:34 pm ---MSO5000, DHO800, are they (or were) toys?

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Yes, they are (or maybe the 5k were, i dropped out of the conversation as soon as it was found to be "hackable to the much much higher specced instrument". Clearly they both are valued the same, not very much apparently. I lurked on the Bugs thread and shook my head a few times for what they managed to get wrong and still release to the public, that's it. Now it's probably really usable)
You need to get your facts straight.
Rigol keep releasing heavily unfinished products, both hardware and firmware, that is a fact. Some get eventually fixed/finished over time but if you only look at them in their finished state, without understanding that they have been in the hand of the customer as unfinished for quite some time before, you can't possibly understand what we mean.
And while we users may be condoning this behaviour on the bottom of the barrel line, the moment you can afford better class instruments and see the same patterns repeating you really lose confidence in them.
It always baffled me that they had enough money and R&D to come up with their ASIC but then again release those line of products, such wasted potential. Because you mentioned it, I had genuinely high hopes for the 5000 series but as soon as it came out they were "fully hackable" to the much higher specced and much higher priced counterpart, i immediately lost faith in them because the pattern was being repeated again and again. Imagine instead a siglent scope using those ASICs.
Really, if you can't see the flaws in the software side you either never used "proper" scopes, or are only using a tool at a fraction of their potential, which is completely fine but you can't really judge as being fanboys.

Thankfully i advanced in my career enough that i no longer can only afford the cheapest stuff (I previously owned a 1054Z and other even cheaper tools which i hated to use every single time, but couldn't afford anything else) and at some point i chose to put my money on siglent and that decision paid off. This is why i both praise and critique siglent (and what i said in previous posts was probably not my conjecture.)
From time to time i get the change to play with rigol items because reasons, nothing i have seen made me change my opinion

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