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baldurn:

--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 31, 2023, 02:51:10 pm ---In europe there is just no defense for a company trying to forbid or punish a customer for buying anything, anywhere, as long as it's not a legally forbidden/restricted good.

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Except if it is music, movies, sports, etc. Then it is 100% ok to segment the world into zones so you can have different pricing and release dates. Lobbyism works well in the EU as well.

Antonio90:

--- Quote from: baldurn on December 31, 2023, 02:55:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: Antonio90 on December 31, 2023, 02:51:10 pm ---In europe there is just no defense for a company trying to forbid or punish a customer for buying anything, anywhere, as long as it's not a legally forbidden/restricted good.

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Except if it is music, movies, sports, etc. Then it is 100% ok to segment the world into zones so you can have different pricing and release dates. Lobbyism works well in the EU as well.

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Well, it's not exactly the same, but you are right, companies are winning in that regard. It remains to be seen whether they can actually forbide or punish you for purchasing outside your segment, legally speaking. In Europe TOS enforcement between companies and customers has not worked quite well so far.

If you want to fight against that just don't get into subscription models at all, they are a scam anyway.

GnomeZA:

--- Quote from: baldurn on December 31, 2023, 02:55:54 pm ---Except if it is music, movies, sports, etc. Then it is 100% ok to segment the world into zones so you can have different pricing and release dates. Lobbyism works well in the EU as well.

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The problem with this debate on a forum is that law is incredible nuanced and you are already mixing different definitions of goods from the legal perspective because to you are comparable.
Physical goods, vs digital goods vs services.
Streaming is a service and downloaded media are digital goods with copyright per country.

Restriction of physical goods is thoroughly tested in the EU and US, you have no prospect of success and doing a quick google the last company to try this was against Amazon.  They weren't even granted an appeal (in the EU) on the grounds that they have no prospect of success.

If you have a movie/CD/etc. as physical media, then the region restriction again is not enforceable (the companies tried that).

You'd need to prove it is fake or stolen, ie. crime or infringing on trademark.  Else you are trying to argue to restrict a free market which is not only against EU law it is against international law.

Law is highly nuanced and we can spend a lot of pages discussing it, there is a lot of case law you can freely browse on this if you are interested about physical goods.

The only exceptions to physical goods is for example deemed exports in the US.  Similar exists in the EU.  Basically things the US deems critical to their safety and security.  Trade secrets but at the spy level.  I work for a large US conglomerate and for example I'm not allowed access to our drone technology because it is a deemed export.  There is a list of these technologies you can browse.  ASML was made a de-facto monopoly for example because of deemed exports.

Anyway this is all OT, there is no legal boundry to buying from China.  If you claim as such, link to the case or law explicitly.

baldurn:

--- Quote from: GnomeZA on December 31, 2023, 03:22:32 pm ---If you have a movie/CD/etc. as physical media, then the region restriction again is not enforceable (the companies tried that).

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The restriction to sell CDs and DVDs imported from USA in the EU is explicitly encoded into EU law. It is not totally off topic because one need to understand the difference from that and to selling imported Siglent Scopes. The difference is simply that the movie industry lobbied to get an exception put into law.

As you also might have noticed, DVDs have region encoding, such that devices sold in the EU even refuses to play imported DVDs from USA. That by itself would have been illegal if they did not have an exception to make it explicitly legal.

It is very much enforceable and here (in Denmark) we had some large cases with import companies that got shut down.

However equipment manufactures played the game of being easily hackable to break the system.

GnomeZA:

--- Quote from: baldurn on December 31, 2023, 03:47:35 pm ---The restriction to sell CDs and DVDs imported from USA in the EU is explicitly encoded into EU law
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Can you link to that?


--- Quote from: baldurn on December 31, 2023, 03:47:35 pm ---As you also might have noticed, DVDs have region encoding, such that devices sold in the EU even refuses to play imported DVDs from USA. That by itself would have been illegal if they did not have an exception to make it explicitly legal.

It is very much enforceable and here (in Denmark) we had some large cases with import companies that got shut down.

However equipment manufactures played the game of being easily hackable to break the system.

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Bypassing the region restrictions on DVD could not be restricted based on the physical goods laws IIRC, they used the argument that bypassing the restriction was tantamount to hacking software.  Again IIRC the case was against selling devices that bypassed the restriction, not the media itself.

I did see that Denmark had some backwards law around this but I couldn't find a EU law that explicitly restricted sales of even DVDs based on region.  I would love for a link to that.

Far as I can tell the EU is strictly against it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code#Criticism_and_legal_concerns (I know this is wikipedia but I can't find a single link to anything listing any kind of legal allowance to restrict physical media sales based on region).

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