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Siglent New SDS800X HD First Bactch Unboxing And Tests And Teardown !
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Martin72:

--- Quote ---Martin, do you believe that the first time Siglent knew about that scope, it was when they released it?
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I didn´t say that.
I had said that it is unlikely that they only reacted when the cat was out of the bag.
The time was too short for that, they will have known from each other that the other had something in the pipeline in terms of an entry-level scope with 12 bit.
And the first one on the market with it has apparent advantages.
And since rigol doesn't care whether something comes onto the market half-finished, they were the first.
You could make it up like that, but nobody knows for sure. ;)
Except for the latter with the semi-finished products.
Randy222:

--- Quote from: ZigmundRat on December 29, 2023, 09:18:30 pm ---As someone who’s worked for equipment vendors, I can confirm that it is of NO benefit to announce something and then not deliver it for months on end. Where’s the 1000X HD? Announced the end of March and still unavailable (at least here in the west). Sure it creates some buzz, but that turns to disappointment. That in turn leaves customers with a lack of confidence in the company. Maybe they will do better with the 800X HD, but who knows? Would you rather have a ‘scope on your bench from another vendor (even with a few bugs) or an empty spot with a card that says “future site of vapor ware scope”?

Glad you have been able to get a look at one of these. The rest of us with a more immediate need will just have to buy something else.

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I have a paid-for CAD app, vendor announced new version about 6mo prior, one of those "coming summer of...". 1yr went by and nothing. They did eventually make new release, which had some nifty bugs in it. But, seems vendors do it all the time.

I prefer a vendor to stick with a model line and improve it over a few years, and along side that drum up new items with newere IC's and such, then relase new items when it's ready.
DHO800/900 series, should just stay a DHO800/900 series until all the bugs are fixed 100%. This process takes 1-2yrs, but at least you get updates to make the item more rock solid. Then later when a new item comes, which will come with bugs, end-user decides to buy the new shiny thing, or wait until some bugs are fixed.

It's the same for auto makers. Toyota has generational platforms. When a new platorm comes out for same model, best not to buy 1st year new gen, wait at least 1yr for all the new bugs to get fixed.
2N3055:

--- Quote from: JPortici on December 29, 2023, 08:59:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on December 28, 2023, 07:48:34 am ---
--- Quote from: Fungus on December 28, 2023, 07:45:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Randy222 on December 27, 2023, 06:04:47 pm ---I don't care too much about crappy fonts and silly colors if the thing can provide good scope analysis without bugs.

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It's 2023, there's no reason not to have both.

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You know what, you are absolutely correct!!!


You should go and post that advice in Rigol bug topics...

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I take it you didn't follow my advice  :-DD

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I actually did.... Life is much better now..
2N3055:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on December 29, 2023, 09:19:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: Martin72 on December 27, 2023, 12:17:17 am ---
--- Quote from: Veteran68 on December 24, 2023, 07:56:50 pm ---All that said, kudos to Rigol for being first to market in this affordable 12-bit space (much as they were with the DS1054) and no doubt pushing Siglent to compete.

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With the SDS800X HD, I have some doubts as to whether the Scope is the answer to Rigol's DHO 800.
As a rule, development takes quite a long time, all the longer the more one is concerned with bringing a product onto the market that is as finished as possible, which can certainly be attributed to Siglent.
In the meantime, the Siglent 800 is apparently available on the Chinese market - does anyone here really believe that Siglent can bring a completely new 12-bit scope in the 7" screen size class onto the market just 3 months after the global launch of the DHO800/900 series?

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Martin, do you believe that the first time Siglent knew about that scope, it was when they released it?
Keep in mind, there is a crazy high turnover rate in China, 20%, with only so many companies to work for in the sector, so they don't even need espionage to get informed about these things in advance, just hire some people.
I could guarantee they knew each other's release schedule better than the marketing people at those companies. Even in Europe I now what my competitor is doing.

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It is is Rigol who is catching up. Siglent has been making 12bit scopes for years now, just not the cheap ones.
I agree that people in these factories do know a lot. It is their business.
Also, as in your industry, there are clear trends, and most manufacturers will move in similar direction.
They will differ in technology and strategy though.

PELL:
Update: I have some really funny teardown photos of SDS800X HD thanks to one of my other friends (QQ 2983219855) :P

Here you go!

I did not expect Siglent to use 2 ADCs and a ZYNQ Ultrascale, both are quite expensive. The ADC heat spreader was glued but it looks like the ADC12D500 or ADC12D1000

Edit: both XCZU2CG and ADC12D500 digikey quote around 400 USD.... I mean, surely Siglent certainly didn't pay that much, but it is still quite an expensive part in the scope, and this makes me wonder how much Siglent will earn from this scope per unit.
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