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Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« on: September 05, 2016, 10:22:23 am »
The next in the X series instruments range, a SDG1000X AWG has been released.
The range has 2 models with 30 or 60 MHz frequencies with Sine and Square waveforms to the maximum frequency of each model.



http://www.siglentamerica.com/pdxx.aspx?id=4705&T=2&tid=16

Datasheet
http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Documents/DataSheet/SDG1000X_DataSheet_DS0201X_E01A.pdf

All Manuals and documentation:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/prodcut-wd.aspx?id=4705&tid=16&T=2

Models from $399

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 12:35:51 pm »
Did I read that right, 16k sample memory?  :palm:

I know that the SDG1000 Series is supposed to be cheap but couldn't they spend the $1.50 or so it probably costs to make that to something a little bit more appropriate for 2016, like say 1M?
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 02:23:25 pm »
Did they drop the touch screen. I had hoped to see the the 2000 series cheaper dropping un-needed touch. Not sure its used for anything special.

Also the images are loading very slow on that siglent website, despite being 30kb?
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 02:33:58 pm »
Did I read that right, 16k sample memory?  :palm:

I know that the SDG1000 Series is supposed to be cheap but couldn't they spend the $1.50 or so it probably costs to make that to something a little bit more appropriate for 2016, like say 1M?

This model have Fixed Arb memory lenght, Fixed clock. With 1M Arb whole memory to DAC, without jumping, take near 6.7ms. Max Arb repeating freq without jumping is around 150Hz.  Not problem but also not always nice when change freq etc and user can not easy know what detail it is now jumping over..
If it have adjustable lenght then max 1M or 10M or 100M...
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2016, 03:35:40 am »
Interesting that these appear to be a slightly lesser version of the SDG2000X series in just about everything except for square wave performance. Up to 60 MHz square waves on the SDG1062X.
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2016, 03:52:42 am »
Interesting that these appear to be a slightly lesser version of the SDG2000X series in just about everything except for square wave performance. Up to 60 MHz square waves on the SDG1062X.
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Yes you might say that but also that they're an updated SDG1000 to X series status:
Bigger and higher resolution display
LAN added.
Same output amplitude on both channels.
Plus the many more inbuilt arb waveforms that were only available on the SDG2000X series.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2016, 09:17:52 am »
Better to go for the entry model in the SDS2000X series and "upgrade" it to 120 MHz.

The price difference is not that big after all, and the specs are so much better, so it's definitely worth!
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2016, 09:19:13 am »
Do the new Siglent X gens support the dBm setting on the amplitude ?

I cannot find this in the manuals, screen shots in the manual do not show this either.

 
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2016, 03:34:06 pm »
Here is a PDF file which shows the main differences between SDG2000X and SDG1000X

- 14bit Vs. 16bit
- Bandwidth
- DAC Sampling Rate
- Noise Floor
- Pulse Performances
- Arbitrary Performances

http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Siglent/siglent-sdg2000x-sdg1000x.pdf

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2016, 01:15:35 am »
Here is a PDF file which shows the main differences between SDG2000X and SDG1000X

- 14bit Vs. 16bit
- Bandwidth
- DAC Sampling Rate
- Noise Floor
- Pulse Performances
- Arbitrary Performances

http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Siglent/siglent-sdg2000x-sdg1000x.pdf

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Since SDG1000X is a update of SDG1000, I don't think comparing it with SDG2000X is fair. It makes more sense to show a table with the differences between SDG1000 and SDG1000X.
 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2016, 07:09:59 am »
Do the new Siglent X gens support the dBm setting on the amplitude ?

I cannot find this in the manuals, screen shots in the manual do not show this either.
I guess not, better stick to Rigol then
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2016, 07:22:46 am »
Do the new Siglent X gens support the dBm setting on the amplitude ?

I cannot find this in the manuals, screen shots in the manual do not show this either.
I guess not, better stick to Rigol then
Sorry Orange, away from office ATM, I'll try to find this out for you.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2016, 07:36:07 am »
Here is the product evolution from the SDG1000 to the SDG1000X

- Main Specs
- Dual Channel
- Pulse
- Square
- Noise
- Software
- New Features

http://www.batterfly.com/PDF/Siglent/siglent-sdg1000-sdg1000x.pdf

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2016, 07:56:34 am »
Do the new Siglent X gens support the dBm setting on the amplitude ?

I cannot find this in the manuals, screen shots in the manual do not show this either.
I guess not, better stick to Rigol then
Sorry Orange, away from office ATM, I'll try to find this out for you.
I have very fast reply from Jexy at tech support and the answer is yes for 50  \$\Omega\$ output only.

Edit as promised
I got the same pic as simone.pignatti  has posted below from Jext at tech support.
But he also sent some more as attached
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2016, 07:57:50 am »
Do the new Siglent X gens support the dBm setting on the amplitude ?

I cannot find this in the manuals, screen shots in the manual do not show this either.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 08:13:37 am »
At this moment Siglent signal generators outperform Rigol signal generators in the same price range.
So it is very easy to decide a purchase.
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2016, 04:44:58 pm »
Thanks guys for checking !

May I suggests that Siglent updates the user manual accordingly. They are not mentioning this dBm capability at all, also not in the SDG2000X


 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 03:15:00 pm »
we have now units to test, please let us know if you like to see any special features


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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2016, 07:01:07 pm »
New FW for the SDG1000X series
http://www.siglentamerica.com/USA_website_2014/Firmware&Software/firmware/SDG1000X_P22.rar
11.7 Mb

AFAIKT the same features and improvements that have just been added in new FW to the SDG2000X series.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2016, 08:31:12 pm »
This is because most of the firmware contents are the same. They have the same root password too.
Files in zip are exactly one month old... may be they have different calendar.
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2017, 06:58:27 pm »
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2017, 09:22:10 pm »
Siglent are offering a promotion for SDG1032X with a reduction of $40 off RRP. Promo price $359.
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/qyxwxx.aspx?id=1968&sid=205

Product page:
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/pdxx.aspx?id=1463&T=2&tid=16
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2017, 08:35:31 am »
Previously there was questions about dBm level settings and mostly I can see only then 50ohm impedance in images and in messages.

SDG1000X series  (as also what ever brand and model) can not tell dBm for undefined Hi-Z load. Why - may some noob ask. Because dBm is POWER unit. How can set power if load is unknown (high-z).
So with this Hi-Z output setting dBm is disabled.  With all other output load settings dBm can use.

With defined loads, power level can set as dBm.
User can define load from 50ohm up to 100kohm.
Example if output freq is over 10MHz Hi-Z max Vpeak-peak is 10V (or 5Vpeak what is same) and internal source impedance is always 50ohm.

Now with 50ohm load this maximum Voltage is of course half, 5Vpeak-peak (2.5Vpeak) and this is 1.77 Vrms and to this 50 ohm load it give 62.5mW   what is 17.96 dBm  (all values bit rounded)

But then what happend if I set load impedance  to some other value.
Say example to 600ohm. 
This same maximum output level is now 12.49dBm.

With same setting, maximum level to 100kohm.
Now it give only -9.03dBm 

Yes it calculate right value for this load what user have told to generator.

Of course it can also manually calculate if want. Only what need think is this
GND -- [(G~ Ri 0ohm) -- (internal 50ohm) ---(SDGChxOut)] --- Rload -- GND
And G~ V is same what it tell for Hi-Z V level.

First calculate voltage across this Rload.

Using this voltage  calculate power  across Rload. 

For dBm calculus this AnalogDevices tool is quite good.
http://www.analog.com/en/design-center/interactive-design-tools/dbconvert.html

No need calculate (exept that calculations are fun and for young peoples also useful for better understanding things),
of course Siglent SDG´s do it for you
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In this example image SDG1kX output is set for maximum level using dBm scale and load impedance 600 ohm
Commonly dBm is used for 50ohm system but there is lot of other impedances what we use in practice.
Also SDG2000X series load can set from 50ohm to 100kohm, just same.



Advantage over SDG2000X in SDG1000X is its new square/rectangle wave circuit. It can do full BW Square. (30MHz model 30MHz and 60MHz model 60MHz).

In this image example about SDG1kX 60MHz square. Measured using old HP boat anchor but this scope have real 50ohm input impedance instead of what can find in cheap machines as "50 ohm input".


Also in somewhere in web I have seen some total crap claims that SDG1000X flatness is not very good.
This is what I can see and also I have checked it using HP power meter and results are inline.



Sweep from 5MHz to 60MHz  with 4 different levels. (yes, under 1.001Vpeak-peak level flatness is not very perfect but, still quite good.
Edit Add: SA horizontal scale linear. SDG1000X frequency sweep linear.


ETA:
Because some user have asked.
When you go to set Output Load
(Utility >> Output Setup >> Load >>  you can here select HighZ or 50ohm. )
If you select 50ohm then you see cursor also apperas over 50ohm. Now you can adjust also other values 50 - 100kohm using adjusting knob or enter value using keyboard)
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2017, 02:47:59 pm »
Here  Square from SDG1032X with its maximum 30MHz Square. (SDG1062X maximum is 60MHz Sqr what was displayed in previous image)
And for compare, Siglent SDG2042X with its maximum 25MHz Square.
This is why I told that SDG1000X series have special circuit for Sqr what SDG2000X series do not have albeit it is other way higher performace model.



SDG2042X 25MHz (max)



SDG1032X 30MHz (max)

Game over.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2017, 02:05:36 am »
New firmware for SDG1000X models:

Version: V1.01.01.22R5
12.3 Mb
http://siglentamerica.com/gjjrj-xq.aspx?id=6419&tid=15

Changelog
Only 1 listed item.  :-//
1.Supported system recovery from U-disk.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2017, 01:43:44 pm »
Here examples with same settings what are used in this Rigol DG1000Z thread. After I look this I made tiny test with Siglent again with same setup. (exept that used scope is far better)

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dg1032z-can-it-be-upgraded-to-dg1062z-or-is-hw-different/msg1306309/#msg1306309

Examples
15MHz, 25MHz (as with Rigol)
After then 30MHz and last 60MHz.
Square wave, 50ohm Tektronix feed thru terminator in scope input. Scope used here SDS1202X-E

As can see SDG1000X Square wave is in its own class compared to Riglol.

Even with 60MHz there can still see some flat top and nothing like Rigol with 25MHz.

EDIT: for more easy compoare I add these Rigol images also here, 15MHz and 25MHz.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2017, 10:46:38 am »
In previous msg we can see how this generator Square wave works up to 60MHz.
Square wave is produced with new special circuits and this rise and fall time is available only with square function. This is also far better than Rigol DS1000Z series but also better than Siglent SDG2000X series.

But then there is some factory limits in SDG1000X and here I have done some experimental work for look if these limits are written in stone or... 

Of course factory limits are with reasons. Example level limits related to frequency  need stay untouched for avoid some components over stress.

Here some examples about something. (these are not abs max stretched limits but with these limits not yet so much bad effects in signals quality etc.)






1.  Factory limit for triangle wave is 500kHz. 
There can see how it works with 2MHz and with 5MHz. (FW limit set for 5MHz)
This is just how much we accept turn point rounding (as can see in 50% symmetry image)
Other image is with 0% symmetry setting what give maximal corner ringing (and rise time) using 500kHz, 2MHz and 5MHz.








2. Factory limits for Pulse are 12.5MHz max freq, minimum width 32.6ns and minimum rise/fall time 16.8ns.
In these images can see rise/fall limits are now 11.8ns and then can rise max freq limits for 15MHz
Also limits can stretch more but not without adverse effects due to signal filters and fact that this is 150MSa/s machine. 






3. Factory limit is max 20kHz from internal source.
Here max is set for max 50kHz. In image 50% AM with 50kHz and carrier around 51MHz. (+3dBm @50?)






4. Factory limit for Arb is 6MHz
Here limit is set for 10MHz.  Small drop in peaks level. (think peaks freq)

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 05:13:30 pm »
Thanks for the links, rf-loop!  I'm thinking that the SDG1000X firmware layout must be similar to the SDG2000X and that some of the features they made available to their units might be available for ours.  I think I'll poke around...
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2018, 10:30:12 pm »
I'm thinking that the SDG1000X firmware layout must be similar to the SDG2000X and that some of the features they made available to their units might be available for ours.  I think I'll poke around...

Well, After doing some poking around and seeing what some have done with the SDG2000X AWGs, I managed to upgrade my SDG1032X to an SDG1062X!  It seems most of the Siglent devices (as I guess all these types of devices nowadays) are using embedded Linux on an ARM micro, and once you have root access it's relatively easy to make configuration modifications.   

I've attached a couple of screenshots showing the 1032's new and improved 60MHz output.  Another screenshot shows the system info screen with the serial number intact, but with a better model number :-)

I've also attached a text document that is an annotated telnet session with the device.  If you are comfortable with Linux, it's trivial.  If not, the document walks you through the modification process, step-by-step.  You should still be comfortable with remote consoles, telnet, and LAN IP stuff.

I must say I'm really impressed with all the Siglent gear I have, and with the ability to hack err... modify them, there is really a lot of value for the money.  :-+
 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2018, 11:44:02 am »
Dear BillB, the file (FW22_eevblog version for the SDG1032X) you mention in the manual is no longer available for download. Could you put it back on some generally available server?
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2018, 01:07:58 pm »
Dear BillB, the file (FW22_eevblog version for the SDG1032X) you mention in the manual is no longer available for download. Could you put it back on some generally available server?

Try looking here:

https://nofile.io/f/Vg5FbxReRVC/SDG1000X_V100R001B01D01P22_eevblog.zip

The password should be reeally easy to guess.
 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2018, 03:47:58 pm »
Thank you, BillB
"The password should be reeally easy to guess"  :-+
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2018, 07:11:59 pm »
In some my prevous msg can see some scope images about changes.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1000x-waveform-generators/msg1307521/#msg1307521
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1000x-waveform-generators/msg1309013/#msg1309013

Here images from SDG1000X screen


Ramp, factory limit 500kHz, here rised to 5MHz.  (of course corners are rounded with 5MHz)
Arb is limited to 6MHz, here 10MHz
Some internal modulations are limited to 20kHz by factory, here 50kHz
Sweep time max is 500s from factory, Here rised to 100ks (bit over one day)
Pulse rise and fall times from factory 16.8ns, here 11.8ns
These some limits here are not maximally changed "up to" values. I have not tested what are max values and not even these my values for test carefully all things how they change signal quality when SDG is used outside of factory limits.
Then output max level limit (this was only experimental test if it can modify at all or not). From factory it is 0-10MHz max 20Vpp and over 10MHz 10Vpp. Here changed so that 0-12MHz is 20Vpp (Do not change these factory level limits! (exept if you really KNOW - here know is not synonym for believe - you can do it in your individual special use so that it can not make damage or shorten lifetime) It may permanently damage output amplifiers. All understand who is fully responsible if your output amplifiers etc fails and it happend easy when go out from factory limits.

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2018, 07:48:26 pm »
Here images from SDG1000X screen



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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2018, 10:25:01 am »

Rigol DG1032Z  15MHz Square, 1Vpp 50 ohm, Rigol modified DS1000Z oscilloscope and 50 ohm termination.
Rigol image source: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-dg1032z-can-it-be-upgraded-to-dg1062z-or-is-hw-different/msg1306309/#msg1306309


Siglent SDG1032X, 15MHz Square, 1Vpp 50 ohm, Siglent SDS1202X-E oscilloscope and 50 ohm termination.




Rigol DG1032Z  25MHz Square, 1Vpp 50 ohm, Rigol modified DS1000Z oscilloscope and 50 ohm termination.
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Siglent SDG1032X, 25MHz Square, 1Vpp 50 ohm, Siglent SDS1202X-E oscilloscope and 50 ohm termination.


And Siglent SDG1032Xm62X 60MHz
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2018, 11:02:22 am »
Thank you, BillB
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For my files, there is one rule - if you won't be able to guess the password - here,
being in this forum user, You are not qualified to hack Your equipment. : )
 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2018, 10:43:57 am »
New firmware for SDG1000X series.

Version 1.01.01.30.R1
12.8 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/6889/

Changelog
1. Supported Up followed by Down Sweep mode in Linear sweep (no change for Log sweep).
2. Changed the amplitude strategy of AM modulation: The carrier stays fixed at the amplitude, regardless of the modulation setting.
3. Increased the upper limit of Harmonics number from 10 to 16.
4. Added an icon to indicate clock source is internal or external.
5. Supported specifying Arb type by remote control when the modulating waveform is Arb.
6. Supported changing the unit of amplitude without any amplitude change by long pressing the "Amplitude" softkey.
7. Added "User" option under "PowerOn Setting".
8. Added "Normal" as a new UI color style.
9. Added memory space information in Store/Recall UI.
10. Added ARB waveform name to display, allowing user to know which Arb waveform is loaded.
11. Optimized response of the universal knob.
12. Fixed several bugs:
a) Burst cycles not corrected when it is set to a value ≥65536. [2017/12/25-1116387]
b) In some sweep case the start and stop frequencies deviate from the set values.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 07:22:42 am »
New firmware for SDG1000X series.

Version 1.01.01.30.R1
12.8 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/6889/

Changelog
1. Supported Up followed by Down Sweep mode in Linear sweep (no change for Log sweep).
2. Changed the amplitude strategy of AM modulation: The carrier stays fixed at the amplitude, regardless of the modulation setting.
3. Increased the upper limit of Harmonics number from 10 to 16.
4. Added an icon to indicate clock source is internal or external.
5. Supported specifying Arb type by remote control when the modulating waveform is Arb.
6. Supported changing the unit of amplitude without any amplitude change by long pressing the "Amplitude" softkey.
7. Added "User" option under "PowerOn Setting".
8. Added "Normal" as a new UI color style.
9. Added memory space information in Store/Recall UI.
10. Added ARB waveform name to display, allowing user to know which Arb waveform is loaded.
11. Optimized response of the universal knob.
12. Fixed several bugs:
a) Burst cycles not corrected when it is set to a value ≥65536. [2017/12/25-1116387]
b) In some sweep case the start and stop frequencies deviate from the set values.

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2. Changed the amplitude strategy of AM modulation: The carrier stays fixed at the amplitude, regardless of the modulation setting.

This was very very good change. After long time finally tested this using SA and it really works. Not it is nice to use for some radio tuning works and works similar with normal RF generators.
I have long missed this feature in all Siglent SDG.

Note: now also (some) users need be careful. If he set amplitude, say example 1Vpp. And he now "believe" that all what is coming out do not exceed 1Vpp. This is not anymore true when user turns AM modulation on, of course peak value depends mod depth and is double if mode depth is 100%. Carrier stay now same level but modulated signal time domain amplitude depends now AM modulation depth.
Of course, learning helps. It is very important to understand how devices work and the characteristics of different signals also in theory.


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6. Supported changing the unit of amplitude without any amplitude change by long pressing the "Amplitude" softkey.

Many times useful in practice. No need calculate or conversion table.
Just set -7.65dBm and later if want look or set it using Vrms or Vpeak just bit longer 1second push "amplitude" key for switch between units. Previously it was not possible.

And some other useful changes.

But now, old  _eevblog.ads version is .22.
It is very important to update FW to more new version. One very important thing is that .22 version do not support Siglent USB recovery at all if "bad happen".  First FW version it is supported is 22R5   (but there was not so many other things. So not useful to "eevblog" it.
Now this 33R1 have so much  advantages and fixes that perhaps it is better if we have eevblog for it.
Of course if do using eevblog 22 it can update to official 33R1
But if want or have done also other modifications (some useful mods with some functions limits) every update to official version overwrite these some nice things (exept model) what are possible with eevblog version...

 :-/O
So let's hope some day... 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 08:56:50 am »
Now this 33R1 have so much  advantages and fixes that perhaps it is better if we have eevblog for it.
Of course if do using eevblog 22 it can update to official 33R1
But if want or have done also other modifications (some useful mods with some functions limits) every update to official version overwrite these some nice things (exept model) what are possible with eevblog version...

I have difficulties to understand the above - do you say updating from 22R5 to 30R1 "destroys" the "little inofficial upgrade" from SDG1032X to SDG1062X?
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2018, 09:16:26 am »
Now this 33R1 have so much  advantages and fixes that perhaps it is better if we have eevblog for it.
Of course if do using eevblog 22 it can update to official 33R1
But if want or have done also other modifications (some useful mods with some functions limits) every update to official version overwrite these some nice things (exept model) what are possible with eevblog version...

I have difficulties to understand the above - do you say updating from 22R5 to 30R1 "destroys" the "little inofficial upgrade" from SDG1032X to SDG1062X?

Answer to your question: I did not say anything like this you ask. Where from you get this.

If you did not understand what I said (it tells that you have not done these other things) then do not worry at all. It does not affect or mean anything in your case. ;)
If practice and theory is not equal it tells that used application of theory  is wrong or the theory itself is wrong.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2018, 01:36:35 pm »

Answer to your question: I did not say anything like this you ask. Where from you get this.

If you talk about "eevblog 22" you probably mean user @janekivi's version of firmware 22, which (re-)enables telnet. And probably the most popular "modification" relates to the file NSP_system_info.xml.
Since you talk about "...update to official version overwrite these some nice things..." that imo could lead a reader to think you're talking about the mod of the model (32X->62X)...

Anyway, for me this looks like - it is still unknown if upgrading to 30R1 (imo there is no "33R1" so far, btw) will revert the model patch, and it is also not yet clear if it would be possible to revert back to @janekivi's version 22 in case re-enabling telnet is necessary.

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that's probably more a problem of "language", than a "technical aspect", i guess...


 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2018, 01:53:35 pm »
If you talk about "eevblog 22" you probably mean user @janekivi's version of firmware 22, which (re-)enables telnet. And probably the most popular "modification" relates to the file NSP_system_info.xml.
Since you talk about "...update to official version overwrite these some nice things..." that imo could lead a reader to think you're talking about the mod of the model (32X->62X)...

The level of modifications that each user in this forum does to his equipments varies. That's the reason of the misunderstanding.

Check this msg to see what I mean:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1000x-waveform-generators/msg1448961/#msg1448961

A new FW with just a "release" level modification should not disable the ability to roll back to previous versions.

The BW mod will continue valid, as usual. Regarding the root pwd, let's wait for janekivi or me.... if I find the time.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 02:24:43 pm »
The level of modifications that each user in this forum does to his equipments varies. That's the reason of the misunderstanding.

Check this msg to see what I mean:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1000x-waveform-generators/msg1448961/#msg1448961

Thx, I in fact was not aware of those "factory limit" modifications...

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A new FW with just a "release" level modification should not disable the ability to roll back to previous versions.

The BW mod will continue valid, as usual. Regarding the root pwd, let's wait for janekivi or me.... if I find the time.

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2018, 07:31:00 pm »
I don't have it but I can make this for you:
(as usual made with notepad and there is 5 changes for replace the root password)

SDG1000X_30R1_eevblog.zip

May be this is working?
 
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2018, 05:47:35 am »
removed obsolete and partially danger disinformation due to more new FW's with new features.

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2018, 05:26:28 pm »
So they can't use our ideas without our password.

But my idea was not to have detailed guides.
Hacking is more for those who are able to repair their equipment
if something goes wrong...
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2018, 09:34:50 am »
As these generators have a 'special' circuit for generating square wave (which is a great feature!), are there any limitations of features on the square wave output? What I mean, can you still add all modulations on square wave the same way as on sine wave?

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2018, 07:12:15 am »
As these generators have a 'special' circuit for generating square wave (which is a great feature!), are there any limitations of features on the square wave output? What I mean, can you still add all modulations on square wave the same way as on sine wave?

Tester here in the UK have 10% discount on Siglent kit this Black Friday (now).
From the datasheet:
http://www.siglentamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2017/10/SDG1000X_DataSheet_DS0201X_E01E.pdf

Modulation P 9/12
Carrier Sine, Square, Ramp, Arb for most types....but check the full spec.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2018, 08:55:10 am »
As these generators have a 'special' circuit for generating square wave (which is a great feature!), are there any limitations of features on the square wave output? What I mean, can you still add all modulations on square wave the same way as on sine wave?

Tester here in the UK have 10% discount on Siglent kit this Black Friday (now).

Square wave modulations: (square but of course also rectangle (other than 50% duty)  in this mode)
AM, DSB-AM, FM, PM, FSK, ASK, PSK
PWM is not possible.

Sine wave modulations just as Square wave modulations.
And also, when Sinewave AM is in use (new FW versions): Level is carrier level! Modulation on/off do not affect carrier level and also carrier level is independent of modulation depth. And this is very nice for example working with RF things like radios etc. AM modulated signal level works as normal RF-generator.



Ramp modulations same as square.

Pulse wave modulations
Only PWM.

Arb modulations
same as square.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2018, 04:12:44 pm »
Thanks. Decided to order the SDG1062X ... and SDM3055  ::) My Black Friday was relatively cheap until almost midnight when placed the order on Tester/Pass.

I have quite a bit of projects coming and have some plans, and only have two PSUs and (good) scope at the moment. 10% discount is not massive but when the starting price was already ok and those were on my shopping list anyway. I know I could have hacked the SDG1032X but I'm not too much into playing with such stuff and the price difference wasn't huge.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2019, 08:02:45 am »
New firmware for SDG1000X series AWG's.

1.01.01.30R1B2
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8115/

Changelog
1. Fixed a bug: Setting frequency of one channel with square wave causes another channel output disabled
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2019, 09:43:38 am »
More new firmware for SDG1000X models.

Version 1.01.01.33R1
13.3 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8115/

Changelog
1. Supported TrueArb: 2~16 kpts
2. Optimized the UI of selecting built-in arbs
3. Changed the clock switch strategy: When the clock source is set to External and no actual external clock signal is being received, the clock source will not switch to Internal automatically but the clock icon will indicate that external clock is lost.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2019, 08:28:22 pm »
Is there any way to save a screenshot of SDG1032X to a USB stick?
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« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2019, 08:35:22 pm »
Don't remember well if they exist on SDG but try SCPI commands SCDP or BMP. Member Rerouter may help you.
 

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2019, 09:06:08 pm »
Is there any way to save a screenshot of SDG1032X to a USB stick?
Not with the front panel UI, just tried.  :(

There might be some how with the SCPI commands, dunno but have a look through them here:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/3290/
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2019, 09:24:50 am »
More new firmware for SDG1000X models.

Version 1.01.01.33R1
13.3 MB
https://www.siglentamerica.com/download/8115/

Changelog
1. Supported TrueArb: 2~16 kpts
2. Optimized the UI of selecting built-in arbs


1. This also need urgently new updated User Manual's so that users can understand how to get all out from this  major improvement  and data sheets.
 
It is really nice upgrade. "TrueArb" technology  is big advantage in some situations when need Arb  without 1 clock jitter and/or jump over details, due to adjustable sampling speed (max 30Msa/s in TrueArb mode) and adjustabe Arb memory length. ( 2 to 16k.)

2. Previously selecting Arb from memory to use was cumbersome.  Also previously selecting Arb and then select some other Arb was really cumbersome. Now with this preview on screen and together with rotary encoder push it is easy and fast to select and change Arb waveforms in use. Well "Optimized" Siglent!

Interesting surprice find.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2019, 08:28:29 pm »
Yesterday I found an issue with SDG1032X when I connected it to an audio amplifier. Every time I change frequency, I hear a click in the loudspeaker. I didn't check this issue with an oscilloscope but I know that it doesn't happen with my BK Precision BK4075. Is there any way to fix it?

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2019, 05:00:43 am »
Try setting Utility->Mode->Independent
 
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« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2019, 07:35:55 pm »
It helped. Thank you very much!

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2019, 09:16:16 am »
SHELLCMD telnetd -l/bin/sh -p9999

Also works in this case  :-+, so no loading of special firmware is involved

Those .ADS do exactly the same and don't depend on the SHELLCMD availability...
 

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« Reply #61 on: June 09, 2019, 08:06:52 pm »
During the final fase of implementing a method of doing measurements with the SDG1032X and SDS11004X-E with an accuracy of < 1 mV over a range of 0..1 V.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/using-a-awg-and-a-scope-do-a-low-voltage-level-characterization-of-a-1n4005/msg2467191/#msg2467191


I had an unoptimized glimps of it and was very pleased with the results, however the SDG1032X fails on me and starts up only showing the logo.   :scared:

I've seen Dave's recovery video, and also read this:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/the-siglent-sdg2042x-thread/msg1399308/#msg1399308

Is there a way to get the recovery files for this device and do a quick recovery?
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #62 on: June 09, 2019, 08:37:32 pm »
During the final fase of implementing a method of doing measurements with the SDG1032X and SDS11004X-E with an accuracy of < 1 mV over a range of 0..1 V.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/using-a-awg-and-a-scope-do-a-low-voltage-level-characterization-of-a-1n4005/msg2467191/#msg2467191


I had an unoptimized glimps of it and was very pleased with the results, however the SDG1032X fails on me and starts up only showing the logo.   :scared:

I've seen Dave's recovery video, and also read this:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/the-siglent-sdg2042x-thread/msg1399308/#msg1399308

Is there a way to get the recovery files for this device and do a quick recovery?
I think I have what you need on the PC at home.
Do you know which FW version you had installed ?
I’ll be in touch by PM and will need your email to send the recovery files. I’ll be home in ~12 hrs.
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« Reply #63 on: June 09, 2019, 09:01:45 pm »
Hi tautech, that would be great! My new device came with the newest firmware, so the recovery option should be included. Any idea whether the device depended calibration of it would survive the procedure?

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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2019, 09:18:54 am »
This error got me thinking about the file system. If this problem is fixable, I would like to create further self constructed arbitrary waves at the usb drive. Does anyone know if thats possible using scpi commands?
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2019, 09:32:40 am »
This error got me thinking about the file system. If this problem is fixable,
It is ! !  :box:

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I would like to create further self constructed arbitrary waves at the usb drive. Does anyone know if thats possible using scpi commands?
Have a look here at some samples I got from the factory years back......they were for the SDG1000 series but should still work with X models:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdg1025-matlab-programming-arb-waveform/
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2019, 10:12:22 am »
Thanks for the link. But I didn’t find any info on how to select the wave destination. Maybe creating a symbolic link on the filesystem to redirect all custom waves to the usb drive is maybe the easiest.

I don’t know how well the wear leveling of the normal save location is.
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2019, 10:26:53 am »
This error got me thinking about the file system. If this problem is fixable,
It is ! !  :box:
That would be great, but there’s still the question whether the calibration will survive the recovery.

If it doesn’t, then it might become less useful, certainly regarding the level of precision it had and the use I made of it. I think we’ll have to see. Maybe there’s a procedure to create a copy of the calibration data?

Maybe it can boot from the usb, without altering anything so the procedure can be run even in the stuck boot situation?
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2019, 10:31:05 am »
This error got me thinking about the file system. If this problem is fixable,
It is ! !  :box:

Maybe it can boot from the usb, without altering anything?
Yes.  ;)
Expect files soon......I have them from the factory now.  :phew:
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2019, 12:13:46 am »
Thanks to tautech, :-+

I could go back to finalizing my experimenting with the wave generator and the scope.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/using-a-awg-and-a-scope-do-a-low-voltage-level-characterization-of-a-1n4005/msg2476044/#msg2476044

I haven't noticed any difference in how the device was/is calibrated, so that supports the idea that the calibration data is left alone. :-+
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Re: Siglent SDG1000X Waveform Generators
« Reply #70 on: August 20, 2019, 03:15:03 am »
New firmware for SDG1000X AWG's

Version 1.01.01.33R1B5
13.3 MB
https://siglentna.com/download/14915/

Release notes
Fixed an upgrade bug in 1.01.01.33R1. It is recommended to upgrade to 1.01.01.33R1B5 instead of 1.01.01.33R1
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