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Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« on: December 31, 2021, 12:10:45 pm »

I was going to add a reply to a current thread  about the 3045X but I was thinking maybe  because I present a new question at the end, I should start a new thread.  I trust the sysops will keep me right.

I have tried very hard to like my  new Siglent 3045X Bench Multimeter - it is built into a proper steel case, beautiful LCD but it more or less stops there for me.  It is indeed a first for me I am going to sell a piece of gear that is less than 6 months old and I will take the hit on cost. :(

For the record, the relay activation when measuring above 2V is so damn annoying. It occurs whether in Manual or Auto.  - its not the noise , its the delay every single time you apply the probe to a point to be measured.  OK, so the first thing I do at switch-on is set it to manual 60V which covers most of my bench work and gets rid of the annoying click. But what a PITA. I thought I was getting a nice multimeter experience but I can't see the low contrast blue on grey writing as used by the shift key, the thing clicks like crazy and the menu system is somewhat convoluted for me. Why can't you have a setting that allows it to restart in the same config as when you turned it off ?  The SDS2000X Plus and the SVA3021X do this.  Presumably the B-team were set to work on the cheaper bench meter. 

What made me realise I was flogging a dead horse is that I usually switch on my trusty old cheap chinese VC8145 which apart from the flimsy case and the rather old hat (but gorgeously large and clear) display seems better in so many ways.  Assuming  the Siglent is accurate and within spec, then the VC8145 is too - they are extremely close on all ranges.   Not much point in having the Siglent if it is the VC8145 that  I instinctively choose for each session.

But I won't be defeated, for my retirement hobby and the occasional piece of work that still comes my way I like the idea of a good bench meter that is readable, has a screen like the Siglent, easy to use, doesn't click every time you make a measurement, switches on quickly, remembers the last settings and doesn't move around the bench when you press buttons.   A test intrument that  makes me feel happy to use, like my new SVA3021X and SDS2000X plus which are just great.

Any suggestions as to where I go once the 3045X has gone to a new owner. Apart from staying with the VC8145 which ticks many of those boxes (when glued to the shelf that is...  ;)


Cheers

Eloso
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2021, 01:25:46 pm »
You probably want to look at Keysight or Tektronix (Keithley) for a decent DMM. But it is going to cost you... Do you really need it? I have a Keysight 34461A 6.5 digit DMM but I only use it when I need to measure something really accurate; it has been bought for a specific project. My daily driver DMM is a VC8145 as well (for the last 10 years).
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2021, 02:07:57 pm »
Sounds like an excellent excuse for watching ebay for a broken 6.5 digit in need of some repair.
Keithley 2000 pop up quite cheap now and again, unofficial schematic is available, as is much experience from knowledgable folks here.
And you can fit a 20 channel scan card to it if you want to.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2021, 03:45:38 pm »

I was going to add a reply to a current thread  about the 3045X but I was thinking maybe  because I present a new question at the end, I should start a new thread.  I trust the sysops will keep me right.

I have tried very hard to like my  new Siglent 3045X Bench Multimeter - it is built into a proper steel case, beautiful LCD but it more or less stops there for me.  It is indeed a first for me I am going to sell a piece of gear that is less than 6 months old and I will take the hit on cost. :(

For the record, the relay activation when measuring above 2V is so damn annoying. It occurs whether in Manual or Auto.  - its not the noise , its the delay every single time you apply the probe to a point to be measured.  OK, so the first thing I do at switch-on is set it to manual 60V which covers most of my bench work and gets rid of the annoying click. But what a PITA. I thought I was getting a nice multimeter experience but I can't see the low contrast blue on grey writing as used by the shift key, the thing clicks like crazy and the menu system is somewhat convoluted for me. Why can't you have a setting that allows it to restart in the same config as when you turned it off ?  The SDS2000X Plus and the SVA3021X do this.  Presumably the B-team were set to work on the cheaper bench meter. 

What made me realise I was flogging a dead horse is that I usually switch on my trusty old cheap chinese VC8145 which apart from the flimsy case and the rather old hat (but gorgeously large and clear) display seems better in so many ways.  Assuming  the Siglent is accurate and within spec, then the VC8145 is too - they are extremely close on all ranges.   Not much point in having the Siglent if it is the VC8145 that  I instinctively choose for each session.

But I won't be defeated, for my retirement hobby and the occasional piece of work that still comes my way I like the idea of a good bench meter that is readable, has a screen like the Siglent, easy to use, doesn't click every time you make a measurement, switches on quickly, remembers the last settings and doesn't move around the bench when you press buttons.   A test intrument that  makes me feel happy to use, like my new SVA3021X and SDS2000X plus which are just great.

Any suggestions as to where I go once the 3045X has gone to a new owner. Apart from staying with the VC8145 which ticks many of those boxes (when glued to the shelf that is...  ;)


Cheers

Eloso
I've always wondered this about 3045X.....
There is no such model for the Chinese market but instead a 5.5 digit SDM3055X-E, that doesn't have the different measurement ranges to the other models a 3045X does.  :-//
Therefore I've always thought these might be candidates for hacks to SDM3055 which do have a 2V range.  :-/O

Does SDM3045X HW = SDM3055X-E HW ? I think it might.

Calling tv84.........  :-/O
Who's game to try ?
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2021, 04:07:03 pm »
Called me? I still have 2021 time to break something...
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2021, 06:29:58 pm »
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2021, 06:34:17 pm »
tautech,

You want someone to try crossflashing the SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12 FW in a SDM3045X, right?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2021, 07:18:45 pm »
tautech,

You want someone to try crossflashing the SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12 FW in a SDM3045X, right?
It's my suspicion it could be done.  >:D

We can chat privately if you wish.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2021, 07:36:15 pm »
It's my suspicion it could be done.  >:D

OK, in that case, patch the original SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12.ADS with the following 16 bytes.

Then it's ready to flash in a SDM3045X.  As always, do it at your own risk.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2021, 07:40:12 pm »
 :popcorn:
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2021, 07:51:13 pm »
It's my suspicion it could be done.  >:D

OK, in that case, patch the original SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12.ADS with the following 16 bytes.

Then it's ready to flash in a SDM3045X.  As always, do it at your own risk.
:-+
Great, will try tonight.....things to do today.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2022, 11:34:57 pm »
So ... did you try?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2022, 03:19:57 am »
So ... did you try?
No as we have an impending sale on our last one.

Still it's something I'd like to try when we have the chance.
PM me if you like.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2022, 06:15:49 pm »
It's my suspicion it could be done.  >:D

OK, in that case, patch the original SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12.ADS with the following 16 bytes.

Then it's ready to flash in a SDM3045X.  As always, do it at your own risk.
Since Tautech assured me that there were ways to undo this (in the case of bricking my unit), I tried it for me and for you folks: it works without problems. My SDM3045x became a SDM3055x.
Beside the extra digit and different ranges (now 200mV / 2V etc. instead of 600mV / 6V etc.) I did not recognize any other differences at the first glance.
Though my SDM3045x is silent, as it comes without a fan. I am wondering if I should add one now, as the SDM3055 does have one afaik.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2022, 06:19:38 pm »
I tried it for me and for you folks: it works without problems. My SDM3045x became a SDM3055x.

Post an image, please.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2022, 06:36:43 pm »
It's my suspicion it could be done.  >:D

OK, in that case, patch the original SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.12.ADS with the following 16 bytes.

Then it's ready to flash in a SDM3045X.  As always, do it at your own risk.
Since Tautech assured me that there were ways to undo this (in the case of bricking my unit), I tried it for me and for you folks: it works without problems. My SDM3045x became a SDM3055x.
Beside the extra digit and different ranges (now 200mV / 2V etc. instead of 600mV / 6V etc.) I did not recognize any other differences at the first glance.
Though my SDM3045x is silent, as it comes without a fan. I am wondering if I should add one now, as the SDM3055 does have one afaik.
SDM3055X-E is the model it should be now, NOT SDM3055 !
Re the fan, at this time we do not know if the China only X-E model sports a fan. Only measurement stability checks can indicate if it might need one.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2022, 07:47:46 pm »
To those that might also be inspired to flash their 3045X...
Do at your own risk....

3045X don't have a precision divider and instead use SMD components to substitute the Caddock divider used in 3055 and 3065X therefore a flashed 3045X can never be a 3055 but instead the China only model SDM3055X-E.

Pics of the internal differences can be found linked in the POI list in the opening post here:
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2022, 07:56:29 pm »
As there are some HW differences, one should check the lower ranges, if they actually work correctly. A point that may fail could be the input impedance at around 2 V.  A possible way to look at this would be to watch a low leakage 10 nF or so capacitor charge or discharge from some +-2 V. The input current will show as drift rate, that can be measured with the meter itself.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2022, 10:11:36 pm »
I tried it for me and for you folks: it works without problems. My SDM3045x became a SDM3055x.

Post an image, please.
OK here are pictures. Keep in mind, I have not tested the unit yet, just made the conversion and looked through the menus.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2022, 11:03:28 pm »
I tried it for me and for you folks: it works without problems. My SDM3045x became a SDM3055x.

Post an image, please.
OK here are pictures. Keep in mind, I have not tested the unit yet, just made the conversion and looked through the menus.
Oh, that's interesting as it still reports it's a 3045X.  :-// Maybe tv84 can have a deeper look into the FW ?
Yet you got the extra digit and the 2V range.  :)

Press the Range button so we can see the selection of ranges now available.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2022, 12:00:57 am »
Press the Range button so we can see the selection of ranges now available.
Sure: 200mV - 1000V
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2022, 09:39:09 am »
Oh, that's interesting as it still reports it's a 3045X.  :-// Maybe tv84 can have a deeper look into the FW ?

Sure, it needs the .cfg of a true X-E. (remember the post I wrote about Performa01's SDS2504X+ designation...)

Can anybody access one? I haven't checked if it's in the FW package.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2022, 09:47:12 am »
Can anybody access one? I haven't checked if it's in the FW package.
Nothing here amongst my goodies.   :(
See what you can manage to conjure up tv84.  :popcorn:
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2022, 09:50:59 am »
See what you can manage to conjure up tv84.  :popcorn:

AFAIR, show me the contents of the NSP_system_info.xml file.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2022, 12:32:14 pm »
Looks like the specs for the 3055X-E are hard to find.
See attachment and use some fantasy...

I have not yet found a site to get the firmwareupdates from.

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2022, 01:52:34 pm »
Compairing the claimed accuracy of the 3045X and the 3055X-E, I can not see, how the additional digit of the 3055X-E gives any useful additional information.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2022, 02:06:28 pm »
For my tasks, I usually don't need absolute accuracy. It is enough for me to know whether the voltage is 3,30 Volt, if it is 3.3001 or 3.3005 does not interest me.
But if I measure e.g. very small currents or resistances, then one digit more is quite informative.
And this is now the case with my SDM3045x with 5.5 digits. The new last digit is stable, thus: quite useful.
I would also not object about one more digit. For the SDM3065 there is already the possibility to extend it from 6.5 to 7.5 digits..... thus I would not mind 6,5 digits on my SDM3045x (of course, here the usefulness is questionable).

If I really needed absolute accuracy, I would of course buy a DMM with better specs than the SDM3045. But I am satisfied, though the extra digit is a nice-to-have and actually quite usable for me.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2022, 02:34:41 pm »
On the PC interface there should already be a 6th and maybe even 7th digit. The accuracy would not be great, but at the low end (e.g. thermal EMF measrured in the 200 mV range it is nice to resolve 1 µV or maybe even 100 nV.

With the new SW version one may have to redo the calibration. No sure how good the old calibration from the SDM3048 SW still is with different ranges.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2022, 09:40:19 am »
See what you can manage to conjure up tv84.  :popcorn:

AFAIR, show me the contents of the NSP_system_info.xml file.
Who can pull this file for tv84 please ?
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2022, 06:35:30 pm »
Can this 3055X-E-for-the-3045X fw be made accessible, somewhere?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2022, 10:19:08 pm »
Can this 3055X-E-for-the-3045X fw be made accessible, somewhere?
It is all explained above how to patch the existing firmware. It is a matter of two minutes work.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2022, 10:20:15 pm »
See what you can manage to conjure up tv84.  :popcorn:

AFAIR, show me the contents of the NSP_system_info.xml file.
Who can pull this file for tv84 please ?
I wanted to copy it today, but there was no time left. It might take another day or two.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2022, 08:02:09 am »
Can this 3055X-E-for-the-3045X fw be made accessible, somewhere?
It is all explained above how to patch the existing firmware. It is a matter of two minutes work.

Sorry for being mixed up.
I can't seem to find the original 3055X-E fw file.
I thought, and possibly still think, that it is the original fw file for the 3055x-e that I'm supposed to patch to make it installable on a 3045x.
I tried the link provided by Tautech just before the patch instructions, but that link just times out.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2022, 08:06:36 am »
I tried the link provided by Tautech just before the patch instructions, but that link just times out.
The SDM3055X-E FW link downloads directly into your browsers download folder.
Just checked it and it works just as it should.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2022, 08:26:15 am »
Sorry for being mixed up.
6th post in this thread. I tried it too - the link works.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2022, 08:57:10 am »
The SDM3055X-E FW link downloads directly into your browsers download folder.
Just checked it and it works just as it should.

At least from Germany the link redirects to the base https://int.siglent.com/ and from there you can only download FW for the 3045, not 3055. Maybe the download is restricted with geolocation services:

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bernd@laptop:~ $ wget [url]https://www.siglent.com/download/firmware/?ProId=25[/url]
--2022-01-12 09:54:04--  [url]https://www.siglent.com/download/firmware/?ProId=25[/url]
Resolving [url=http://www.siglent.com]www.siglent.com[/url] ([url=http://www.siglent.com]www.siglent.com[/url])... 39.108.136.251
Connecting to [url=http://www.siglent.com]www.siglent.com[/url] ([url=http://www.siglent.com]www.siglent.com[/url])|39.108.136.251|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Moved Temporarily
Location: http://int.siglent.com [following]
--2022-01-12 09:54:07--  http://int.siglent.com/
Resolving int.siglent.com (int.siglent.com)... 72.52.197.8
Connecting to int.siglent.com (int.siglent.com)|72.52.197.8|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: [url]https://int.siglent.com/[/url] [following]
--2022-01-12 09:54:07--  [url]https://int.siglent.com/[/url]
Connecting to int.siglent.com (int.siglent.com)|72.52.197.8|:443... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
Saving to: ‘index.html?ProId=25’

index.html?ProId=25     [  <=>               ] 114.55K   352KB/s    in 0.3s

2022-01-12 09:54:08 (352 KB/s) - ‘index.html?ProId=25’ saved [117300]
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2022, 09:02:37 am »
It worked after I changed device and browser.

Sorry.

But the post by dl6lr seems to indicate there is some problem reaching the chinese site from europe.

Both my devices are on the same network, but one is on WiFi. Needs testing.
I have a similar problem reaching some Czech sites....
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2022, 09:59:12 am »
It worked after I changed device and browser.

Sorry.

But the post by dl6lr seems to indicate there is some problem reaching the chinese site from europe.

Both my devices are on the same network, but one is on WiFi. Needs testing.
I have a similar problem reaching some Czech sites....
Yes I used to have this problem with an older version of Chrome where the siglent.com Chinese website was automatically diverted to the int.siglent.com English website.
But now we can click on the globe on the international website and select the Chinese website.
If you have both websites open the menu structures are almost identical which allows you to refer to the English website in order to navigate the Chinese website.......mostly.  :)
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2022, 10:29:18 am »
OK, here are the NSP files which were requested.
Pulled from SDM3045x with installed patched SDM3055x-e firmware from the directory /usr/bin/siglent/usr/config/

If these files exist multiple times in different directories and if I copied them from the wrong directory, please send a short message.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2022, 01:42:19 pm »
So I've patched the 3055x-e fw, and now I'm thinking of upgrading my 3045x with this patched fw.

Can someone remind me how to revert to 3045x if this bricks my DMM?
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2022, 07:05:04 pm »
So I've patched the 3055x-e fw, and now I'm thinking of upgrading my 3045x with this patched fw.

Can someone remind me how to revert to 3045x if this bricks my DMM?

And after a while I realised I had two more DMMs of sufficient quality for immediate needs, so I upgraded and tested.

Things look good, at least initially.
I don't have any voltage or current sources accurate enough for verification, but the last digit seems stable, which all on its own makes the "upgrade" actually useful.

Also, for some reason, 0.2, 2 and 20 volts seem much more natural. Probably a deeply hidden memory of when I last worked in an electronic lab. Some fifty years ago!

How can you get hold of accurate calibration sources w/o ruining your economy?
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2022, 09:32:18 pm »
So I've patched the 3055x-e fw, and now I'm thinking of upgrading my 3045x with this patched fw.

Can someone remind me how to revert to 3045x if this bricks my DMM?

And after a while I realised I had two more DMMs of sufficient quality for immediate needs, so I upgraded and tested.

Things look good, at least initially.
I don't have any voltage or current sources accurate enough for verification, but the last digit seems stable, which all on its own makes the "upgrade" actually useful.

Also, for some reason, 0.2, 2 and 20 volts seem much more natural. Probably a deeply hidden memory of when I last worked in an electronic lab. Some fifty years ago!

How can you get hold of accurate calibration sources w/o ruining your economy?

Can you compare the options available in the menus, for eg. the custom temperature menu added in the latest SDM3045X FW (https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2021/09/SDM3045X-Firmware-Revise-History.pdf)? If it's available, the FW for SDM3055X-E may be up to date with SDM3045X.
You could also issue the SCPI *IDN? command to check if it returns any different info.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2022, 11:07:13 pm »
DC cal source are available, espeically if the only have to be resonable stable and not accurate, with a good meter to compare too.

The tricky part is the AC side. Here a good source for the higher voltage higher frequency can get quite expensive.

As the hardware is still the same, it is not clear if the meter with the 3055 firmware still uses the old 3048 calibration data. It may work, as the HW is still the same and they may use a compatible and maybe the same format. Hower this is not for sure, especially as different cal points are used.
Without suitable cal data some ranges may be quite a bit out.
 

A reasonabe good test would be checking a DC voltages of some 2 V in the 2 and 20 V range and see if both read reasonable (within the accuracy of the 3048) the same. This would test the input divider and here idividual units can scatter quite a bit. So wrong cal data would likely produce different readings.
A similar (maybe even easier) could be done with resistors in different ranges (the very low end may not help here, as the 200 mV and 2 V range likely are done with the ADC internal gain and this is naturally quite close to nominal.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2022, 02:09:56 am »
DC cal source are available, espeically if the only have to be resonable stable and not accurate, with a good meter to compare too.

The tricky part is the AC side. Here a good source for the higher voltage higher frequency can get quite expensive.

As the hardware is still the same, it is not clear if the meter with the 3055 firmware still uses the old 3048 calibration data. It may work, as the HW is still the same and they may use a compatible and maybe the same format. Hower this is not for sure, especially as different cal points are used.
Without suitable cal data some ranges may be quite a bit out.

 

A reasonable good test would be checking a DC voltages of some 2 V in the 2 and 20 V range and see if both read reasonable (within the accuracy of the 3048) the same. This would test the input divider and here idividual units can scatter quite a bit. So wrong cal data would likely produce different readings.
A similar (maybe even easier) could be done with resistors in different ranges (the very low end may not help here, as the 200 mV and 2 V range likely are done with the ADC internal gain and this is naturally quite close to nominal.
First I'm gunna pull you up for constantly referring to 3048 and 3068 where there are no such models in the SDM range !   :horse:
Only SDM3065X, 3055, 3045X and the China version 3055X-E.

As to the bold paragraph above if we look back to the OP in this thread we can see although SDM3045X has ranges 600mV, 6V, 60V, 600V and 1kV the OP's issue was a range relay switching at ~2V and messing with measurements where if we are to believe the datasheet the range relay should've been switching at 6V but no, 3045X range relay behavior more closely mimics the 3055 where instead ranges are 200mV, 2V, 20V, 200V and 1kV.

This alerted me to SDM3055X-E might equal SDM3045X and only the ranges were different due to different firmware and they may be calibrated as equals with just SW determining the model #.
That China don't have SDM3045X further points to them having the same HW and as this seems so they are very likely to be calibrated equally.
Another range switching data point might be needed to prove 3045X = 3055X-E beyond reasonable doubt.

Unless evidence to the contrary arises I believe we can say these 2 models share the same HW and calibration procedures.

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2022, 07:43:31 am »
So I've patched the 3055x-e fw, and now I'm thinking of upgrading my 3045x with this patched fw.

Can someone remind me how to revert to 3045x if this bricks my DMM?

And after a while I realised I had two more DMMs of sufficient quality for immediate needs, so I upgraded and tested.

Things look good, at least initially.
I don't have any voltage or current sources accurate enough for verification, but the last digit seems stable, which all on its own makes the "upgrade" actually useful.

Also, for some reason, 0.2, 2 and 20 volts seem much more natural. Probably a deeply hidden memory of when I last worked in an electronic lab. Some fifty years ago!

How can you get hold of accurate calibration sources w/o ruining your economy?

Can you compare the options available in the menus, for eg. the custom temperature menu added in the latest SDM3045X FW (https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2021/09/SDM3045X-Firmware-Revise-History.pdf)? If it's available, the FW for SDM3055X-E may be up to date with SDM3045X.
You could also issue the SCPI *IDN? command to check if it returns any different info.

Did you mean the custom time base menu item?

I couldn't find the custom timebase item in the 3055x-e fw.
One more thing is that, not being conversant with chinese ideography, I cant read the included revision history.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2022, 09:03:26 am »
So I've patched the 3055x-e fw, and now I'm thinking of upgrading my 3045x with this patched fw.

Can someone remind me how to revert to 3045x if this bricks my DMM?

And after a while I realised I had two more DMMs of sufficient quality for immediate needs, so I upgraded and tested.

Things look good, at least initially.
I don't have any voltage or current sources accurate enough for verification, but the last digit seems stable, which all on its own makes the "upgrade" actually useful.

Also, for some reason, 0.2, 2 and 20 volts seem much more natural. Probably a deeply hidden memory of when I last worked in an electronic lab. Some fifty years ago!

How can you get hold of accurate calibration sources w/o ruining your economy?

Can you compare the options available in the menus, for eg. the custom temperature menu added in the latest SDM3045X FW (https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2021/09/SDM3045X-Firmware-Revise-History.pdf)? If it's available, the FW for SDM3055X-E may be up to date with SDM3045X.
You could also issue the SCPI *IDN? command to check if it returns any different info.

Did you mean the custom time base menu item?

I've always assumed the "Add the customer sensor support" feature reffers to the "Custom Sensor" menu present in temperature measurement mode, where you can define the sensor's LUT - it's on the bottom row, fifth one.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2022, 09:06:53 am »
DC cal source are available, espeically if the only have to be resonable stable and not accurate, with a good meter to compare too.

The tricky part is the AC side. Here a good source for the higher voltage higher frequency can get quite expensive.

As the hardware is still the same, it is not clear if the meter with the 3055 firmware still uses the old 3048 calibration data. It may work, as the HW is still the same and they may use a compatible and maybe the same format. Hower this is not for sure, especially as different cal points are used.
Without suitable cal data some ranges may be quite a bit out.

 

A reasonable good test would be checking a DC voltages of some 2 V in the 2 and 20 V range and see if both read reasonable (within the accuracy of the 3048) the same. This would test the input divider and here idividual units can scatter quite a bit. So wrong cal data would likely produce different readings.
A similar (maybe even easier) could be done with resistors in different ranges (the very low end may not help here, as the 200 mV and 2 V range likely are done with the ADC internal gain and this is naturally quite close to nominal.
First I'm gunna pull you up for constantly referring to 3048 and 3068 where there are no such models in the SDM range !   :horse:
Only SDM3065X, 3055, 3045X and the China version 3055X-E.

As to the bold paragraph above if we look back to the OP in this thread we can see although SDM3045X has ranges 600mV, 6V, 60V, 600V and 1kV the OP's issue was a range relay switching at ~2V and messing with measurements where if we are to believe the datasheet the range relay should've been switching at 6V but no, 3045X range relay behavior more closely mimics the 3055 where instead ranges are 200mV, 2V, 20V, 200V and 1kV.

This alerted me to SDM3055X-E might equal SDM3045X and only the ranges were different due to different firmware and they may be calibrated as equals with just SW determining the model #.
That China don't have SDM3045X further points to them having the same HW and as this seems so they are very likely to be calibrated equally.
Another range switching data point might be needed to prove 3045X = 3055X-E beyond reasonable doubt.

Unless evidence to the contrary arises I believe we can say these 2 models share the same HW and calibration procedures.

It's seems even some calibration points are multiples of 2, not 6 (https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/05/SDM3045X_ServiceManual_SM06034-E02C.pdf)
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2022, 09:19:02 am »
It's seems even some calibration points are multiples of 2, not 6 (https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2019/05/SDM3045X_ServiceManual_SM06034-E02C.pdf)
:-+
Good sleuthing Sherlock !

Amps and Capacitance on P12.

Check out the western SDM3055 manual, pages 11 and 12.
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDM3055_ServiceManual_SM06035-E01C.pdf
Almost identical spec.  :)
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2022, 02:06:45 pm »
How would be the steps to revert from a hacked 3055X-E back to the 3045X?

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2022, 03:45:45 pm »
How would be the steps to revert from a hacked 3055X-E back to the 3045X?

I have to make the reverse patch...
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2022, 05:35:21 pm »
How would be the steps to revert from a hacked 3055X-E back to the 3045X?

I have to make the reverse patch...

Maybe, my question was not clear enough.

If I hack my 3045X to the 3055X-E with the modified 3055X-E firmware and for some reason want to revert to the 3045X, what are the steps?
Is it sufficient to simply install the normal (unmodified) 3045X firmware update?

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2022, 08:50:36 pm »
Maybe, my question was not clear enough.

Your question was clear, my answer seems not.

You can only flash a 3045X FW again if I change its ProdID previously. If not, the machine will reject the FW package.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2022, 09:27:34 pm »
If the hacked  3055 FW has the 3045 ID to run on the 3045, it could well work with just a normal firmware update to the original 3045. We don't know the details and thus the rather good question on how to get possibly back, just in case (e.g. if you want to sell the meter).
It may work with the original FW, or it may need a slightly patched one.

Another similar question is, if there is a future SDM3055 FW update, how to apply this to the hacked meter ?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2022, 09:44:44 pm »
If the hacked  3055 FW has the 3045 ID to run on the 3045, it could well work with just a normal firmware update to the original 3045. We don't know the details and thus the rather good question on how to get possibly back, just in case (e.g. if you want to sell the meter).
It may work with the original FW, or it may need a slightly patched one.

Another similar question is, if there is a future SDM3055 FW update, how to apply this to the hacked meter ?
Hopefully just install the new 3055X-E version:
https://www.siglent.com/download/firmware/?ProId=25
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2022, 09:49:30 pm »
If it is "hacked" you can only install 3055X-E FW as tautech said.

Edit: Here is the reversing instruction.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2022, 04:00:54 am »
Hopefully just install the new 3055X-E version:
https://www.siglent.com/download/firmware/?ProId=25
That link is not working for me, first the page changes to int.siglent.com main page and then to www.siglenteu.com:(
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2022, 06:24:29 am »
Hopefully just install the new 3055X-E version:
https://www.siglent.com/download/firmware/?ProId=25
That link is not working for me, first the page changes to int.siglent.com main page and then to www.siglenteu.com:(
That's what some browsers do.  >:(
Go back to the int.siglent.com page and select the Chinese website from the globe pop down in the top right corner.
The current 3055X-E firmware is linked a page or 2 back in this thread and it downloads to your browsers download folder.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2022, 06:35:39 am »
That's what some browsers do.  >:(
Go back to the int.siglent.com page and select the Chinese website from the globe pop down in the top right corner.
The current 3055X-E firmware is linked a page or 2 back in this thread and it downloads to your browsers download folder.
Still doesn't work properly i.e. switch to Chinese. Your direct link for the firmware file does work. I have tried Edge, Chrome, Firefox all have the same issue.

But after some trying I noticed if I use the url below, I can get directly to the Chinese site and can browse there to the SDM3055X-E page and from there to the firmware page.
https://www.siglent.com/?l=1

 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2022, 07:05:55 am »
That's what some browsers do.  >:(
Go back to the int.siglent.com page and select the Chinese website from the globe pop down in the top right corner.
The current 3055X-E firmware is linked a page or 2 back in this thread and it downloads to your browsers download folder.
Still doesn't work properly i.e. switch to Chinese. Your direct link for the firmware file does work. I have tried Edge, Chrome, Firefox all have the same issue.
Works fine with Chrome here so must be browser settings redirecting you......a reason why I never let them auto translate but instead manually translate anything I can't read.
The Chinese Siglent website used to be notorious for redirecting you to an English version however none of them show the juicy new products that are coming our way.  :)

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But after some trying I noticed if I use the url below, I can get directly to the Chinese site and can browse there to the SDM3055X-E page and from there to the firmware page.
https://www.siglent.com/?l=1
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2022, 09:02:08 am »
If it is "hacked" you can only install 3055X-E FW as tautech said.

Edit: Here is the reversing instruction.

Thank you!

Can you give a one-liner explanation of what the patch does?
Could it be that it describes a set of criteria for its suitability?
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2022, 09:34:17 am »
If it is "hacked" you can only install 3055X-E FW as tautech said.

Edit: Here is the reversing instruction.

Thank you!

Can you give a one-liner explanation of what the patch does?
Could it be that it describes a set of criteria for its suitability?
Yes, the FW version must match the HW and the OS checks if the FW version is the correct one. The patch fools the OS to believe the FW version is correct so it then goes on to load it.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2022, 09:39:57 am »
What about product id in the system info page? It still shows 3045. Were the .xml files uploaded here not the correct ones for tv84 to make a patch for it?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2022, 09:43:59 am »
What about product id in the system info page? It still shows 3045. Were the .xml files uploaded here not the correct ones for tv84 to make a patch for it?
My XML files are probably useless, as if you open them, you will see no information about the model number, thus it has to be stored somewhere else.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2022, 09:47:03 am »
My XML files are probably useless, as if you open them, you will see no information about the model number, thus it has to be stored somewhere else.
I think tv84 asked for file named NSP_system_info.xml and that was not in your zip. How do you access your 3045's file system? (I haven't connected it to usb or network.)
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2022, 10:01:02 am »
My XML files are probably useless, as if you open them, you will see no information about the model number, thus it has to be stored somewhere else.
I think tv84 asked for file named NSP_system_info.xml and that was not in your zip. How do you access your 3045's file system? (I haven't connected it to usb or network.)

See my post in the main SDM thread:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg3346192/#msg3346192

There is also the info on how to backup the calibration data.

Credit for the ADS file is due to tv84 :-+

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2022, 04:07:30 pm »
OK, here are the files from the other directory including NSP_system_info.xml.
Though there is just a serial # in there (I changed the last numbers into '0' as probably not important).
This Zip also includes the calibration data. It shows that indeed the calibration borders are "2" and not "6", thus there should be no problem by using the 3055x-e firmware.
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« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2022, 04:13:20 pm »
OK, here are the files from the other directory including NSP_system_info.xml.
Though there is just a serial # in there (I changed the last numbers into '0' as probably not important).
This Zip also includes the calibration data. It shows that indeed the calibration borders are "2" and not "6", thus there should be no problem by using the 3055x-e firmware.

Exactly. Thanks for sharing.

So, the the model name needs to be changed in the NSP_trends_config_info.xml.

To be totally correct it would be good to see this file content in an official 3055X-E.
 

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« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2022, 04:23:25 pm »
That's what some browsers do.  >:(

No, the redirect is what the server sends. This may be based on UserAgent settings or similar, but it is never a browser decision. The browser decision is to either display the error or follow the redirect. You can clearly see this in my wget trace.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2022, 05:19:48 pm »
OK, here are the files from the other directory including NSP_system_info.xml.
Though there is just a serial # in there (I changed the last numbers into '0' as probably not important).
This Zip also includes the calibration data. It shows that indeed the calibration borders are "2" and not "6", thus there should be no problem by using the 3055x-e firmware.
How can you get filesystem access and/or telnet on the dmm?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2022, 05:26:58 pm »
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2022, 09:57:24 pm »
All information are here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-siglent-sdm3055/

I've tested post #14 from linked thread on a SDM3045X with latest v5.01.01.07R1, with a 4GB FAT32 clean USB stick, but couldn't get past step 2 - any TCP connection on standard telnet port 23 is refused, while on the other open ports (111, 732, 5025) they drop instantly.
Any hints are greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2022, 06:18:53 am »
OK, here are the files from the other directory including NSP_system_info.xml.
Though there is just a serial # in there (I changed the last numbers into '0' as probably not important).
This Zip also includes the calibration data. It shows that indeed the calibration borders are "2" and not "6", thus there should be no problem by using the 3055x-e firmware.
How can you get filesystem access and/or telnet on the dmm?


See my post in the main SDM thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg3346192/#msg3346192

There is also the info on how to backup the calibration data.

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #74 on: January 17, 2022, 08:53:17 am »
OK, here are the files from the other directory including NSP_system_info.xml.
Though there is just a serial # in there (I changed the last numbers into '0' as probably not important).
This Zip also includes the calibration data. It shows that indeed the calibration borders are "2" and not "6", thus there should be no problem by using the 3055x-e firmware.
How can you get filesystem access and/or telnet on the dmm?

See my post in the main SDM thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg3346192/#msg3346192

There is also the info on how to backup the calibration data.

Chris


Ok, thanks.
Tried the attached FW file, but any flashing attempts results in 'update failed'... Are there any special steps to be taken for flashing - especially since the unit may see it as a version downgrade?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2022, 12:30:48 pm »


Ok, thanks.
Tried the attached FW file, but any flashing attempts results in 'update failed'... Are there any special steps to be taken for flashing - especially since the unit may see it as a version downgrade?

Just ignore the errormessage and dont reboot.
Simply telnet the unit at the specified port.
It helps to have notet the IP of the unit first. ;)

After reboot, the unit is back to its normal state.
There is nothing really installed by this ADS file.

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2022, 01:32:36 pm »


Ok, thanks.
Tried the attached FW file, but any flashing attempts results in 'update failed'... Are there any special steps to be taken for flashing - especially since the unit may see it as a version downgrade?

Just ignore the errormessage and dont reboot.
Simply telnet the unit at the specified port.
It helps to have notet the IP of the unit first. ;)

After reboot, the unit is back to its normal state.
There is nothing really installed by this ADS file.

Chris

Ah, now that's a clever hack! :)

As I've now have backups of my calibration files, I've succesfully flashed the SDM3055X-E patched FW, and it seems to still be in spec with a calibrated voltage source (0.01% on DC voltage), so it still has (at least) that measurement calibrated - I don't have any other precise references to test...
As noted by previous posters, the device shows as SDM3045X. Also, new features added to the 3045X are not (yet) present on the 3055X-E FW, most notably the custom temperature sensor (and I assume the bugfixes, as well :) ).
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2022, 03:34:45 pm »

Ah, now that's a clever hack! :)

As I've now have backups of my calibration files, I've succesfully flashed the SDM3055X-E patched FW, and it seems to still be in spec with a calibrated voltage source (0.01% on DC voltage), so it still has (at least) that measurement calibrated - I don't have any other precise references to test...
As noted by previous posters, the device shows as SDM3045X. Also, new features added to the 3045X are not (yet) present on the 3055X-E FW, most notably the custom temperature sensor (and I assume the bugfixes, as well :) ).

I am still curious, if the suggested "reverse hack" from tv84 really works. Afaik, he does not have the unit himself:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdm3045x-enough-is-enough/msg3938767/#msg3938767

If you would try this, I would be interested in the result.

The device name is defined in NSP_trends_config_info.xml

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2022, 04:09:01 pm »

Ah, now that's a clever hack! :)

As I've now have backups of my calibration files, I've succesfully flashed the SDM3055X-E patched FW, and it seems to still be in spec with a calibrated voltage source (0.01% on DC voltage), so it still has (at least) that measurement calibrated - I don't have any other precise references to test...
As noted by previous posters, the device shows as SDM3045X. Also, new features added to the 3045X are not (yet) present on the 3055X-E FW, most notably the custom temperature sensor (and I assume the bugfixes, as well :) ).

I am still curious, if the suggested "reverse hack" from tv84 really works. Afaik, he does not have the unit himself:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdm3045x-enough-is-enough/msg3938767/#msg3938767

If you would try this, I would be interested in the result.

The device name is defined in NSP_trends_config_info.xml

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If you're asking about getting back to being an SDM3045X, yes. It works, as does the hack to make the SDM3045X be an SDM3055X-W.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2022, 04:33:18 pm »
Afaik, he does not have the unit himself:

As the other 99% devices I talk about...  :-DD
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2022, 10:49:16 am »

Ah, now that's a clever hack! :)

As I've now have backups of my calibration files, I've succesfully flashed the SDM3055X-E patched FW, and it seems to still be in spec with a calibrated voltage source (0.01% on DC voltage), so it still has (at least) that measurement calibrated - I don't have any other precise references to test...
As noted by previous posters, the device shows as SDM3045X. Also, new features added to the 3045X are not (yet) present on the 3055X-E FW, most notably the custom temperature sensor (and I assume the bugfixes, as well :) ).

I am still curious, if the suggested "reverse hack" from tv84 really works. Afaik, he does not have the unit himself:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sdm3045x-enough-is-enough/msg3938767/#msg3938767

If you would try this, I would be interested in the result.

The device name is defined in NSP_trends_config_info.xml

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If you're asking about getting back to being an SDM3045X, yes. It works, as does the hack to make the SDM3045X be an SDM3055X-W.

Can confirm as well, using the patched 3045X and 3055X-E firmwares, I can go between them (3045->3055, 3055->3045) without any issues.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #81 on: August 26, 2022, 05:16:38 pm »
I confirm it does work, 3045X to 3055X-E and 3055X-E to 3045X.
Thanks.

BTW, a cal backup before the "updates" didn't hurt. Who knows... https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg3346192/#msg3346192

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2023, 03:49:12 am »
For the record, the relay activation when measuring above 2V is so damn annoying. It occurs whether in Manual or Auto.  - its not the noise , its the delay every single time you apply the probe to a point to be measured. 

That does sound very annoying. Does this happen with SDM3055?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2023, 05:21:07 am »
For the record, the relay activation when measuring above 2V is so damn annoying. It occurs whether in Manual or Auto.  - its not the noise , its the delay every single time you apply the probe to a point to be measured. 

That does sound very annoying. Does this happen with SDM3055?
No.

Please do your homework and compare datasheets to see the measurement range differences between 45X and 55 models.
Then study the whole thread where it has been proven the Chinese 55X-E is the same HW as western 45X which can be converted to a 55X-E to not have the annoying range issues 45X has.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2023, 09:43:11 am »
I was the OP on the thread, feeling somewhat aggrieved by the switching behaviour at 2V of the SDM3045 even with a manual range setting. i.e. set it to 20V manual range, and measure a voltage of 1.5V everything is normal and the measurement appears on the screen quickly. Measure 2.5V and there is a pause, a click as a relay flips over and then eventually a reading appears.


Folk seem happy to resolve this by flashing firmware from a different model and they also seem happy with the results.  I was not happy with that solution to the problem and I contacted Siglent through the normal channel some 6 months after purchase when I was particularly unhappy at some results I was getting using logging (another reason why having some kind of automatic range switch when in a manual range is absolutely barmy).    I really shouldn't have left it so long and I was not expecting much of a response.  To their credit, I had an answer very quickly  from a senior figure in Siglent. Flashing different firmware was not a solution but Siglent could not have been more supportive. 

I now have an SDM3055 which I should have purchased in the first place (they aren't much more cash than the 3045) and overall I am pleased with it. 

I have read some criticism of Siglent by folk feeling let down by unresponsive Siglent support.    I can only comment with any authority on my own experiences and for me Siglent support has been nothing but good, and I have been left  feeling pleased to be a Siglent customer both for this meter and for some other kit that I also have. Although not involvd with my particular case I also would commend the enthusiasm of our friend Tautech for his support, not just to his own Siglent customers but to folk all over the world through this forum and privately in the background. Well done !

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2023, 03:05:32 am »
My 3045 locked up again—simply measuring dc voltage and it locked in ‘overload’ power off and on resolved. Looking forward to some better firmware.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2023, 03:49:15 am »
My 3045 locked up again—simply measuring dc voltage and it locked in ‘overload’ power off and on resolved. Looking forward to some better firmware.
What version are you on ?

Latest is Version: V5.01.01.07R1
Please confirm boot settings ? Default or Last ?

For the last year or so every unit leaves here set to Last and as yet not been contacted by customers with boot problems. Something you might like to also try as if we can find settings that lead to freezes we have better info to give the SW engineers to provide a fix.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2023, 05:33:24 am »
I have read some criticism of Siglent by folk feeling let down by unresponsive Siglent support.

There are sometimes no answers to reported bugs found in the software or questions about when to expect a fix for the software.

Personally, I received a reply to one email, but not to the next e-mail  :-//

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This is a know issue and will be solved with the next FW update.

Just looking at the fact that the last version of the software is from August 2021 and now we are in February 2023 is not a very comforting answer. Especially since the problem was reported a long time ago.

Yes, this problem can be circumvented, but it does not change the fact that such errors should be corrected, and not searched for ways to circumvent them.


For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple neat and wrong...
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2023, 03:43:42 pm »
Did the problem exist in the previous version of the firmware?
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #89 on: March 12, 2023, 12:02:01 pm »
Hi,

So, the SDM3055X-E firmware seems to work on the SDM3045.
This tread did not answer me if it is a real improvement vs the original firmware other than issues around 2 volts ( relais clicking )
Or Did I miss something?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #90 on: March 12, 2023, 01:04:32 pm »
Well it is now a 5.5 digit DMM instead of a 4.5 digit DMM. Function-wise the firmware is (afaik) identical.
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #91 on: March 12, 2023, 02:42:30 pm »
The resolution and functions should be identical to the SDM3055, but the accuracy would still be lower as the hardware has a few cheaper parts. In addition the calibration can be a bit questionable after the FW change, as there are different ranges. Ideally one would compare it to some reference before and after the FW change to see if something goes wrong - I would not expect it, but better check.

A big advantage with small voltages can be  having a resolution of 1 µV in the 200 mV range compared to 10 µV in the 600 mV range. 10 µV resolution would work up to a little over 2 V.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #92 on: March 13, 2023, 06:49:36 am »
I have not changed the boot settings. It freezes up randomly while measuring dc voltage. I have 2 2045, only 1 freezes. Maybe I can get a replacement. Bought on amazon oct 24, 2022. I suspect its not a firmware issue.
Detailed reply in the SDM3045X, 3055 and 3065X thread.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg4752410/#msg4752410
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #93 on: March 13, 2023, 01:08:50 pm »
In addition the calibration can be a bit questionable after the FW change, as there are different ranges. Ideally one would compare it to some reference before and after the FW change to see if something goes wrong - I would not expect it, but better check.

basically that is my main concern as I don't have access (yet) to any references..

For now the dmm is 'upgraded', calibration saved and original firmware downloaded and changed if I want to go back to the original version.

Thanks,
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #94 on: March 14, 2023, 01:09:53 am »
My 3045 locked up again—simply measuring dc voltage and it locked in ‘overload’ power off and on resolved. Looking forward to some better firmware.
What version are you on ?

Latest is Version: V5.01.01.07R1
Please confirm boot settings ? Default or Last ?

For the last year or so every unit leaves here set to Last and as yet not been contacted by customers with boot problems. Something you might like to also try as if we can find settings that lead to freezes we have better info to give the SW engineers to provide a fix.

Thank you for looking into this. I did not change the boot setting and it was set to factory. I changed it to last. I don't know what that setting does, but from your comment, I am interpreting that as a suggestion to boot from last to reduce problems. I note that it has booted without problems, and froze up later, but I am willing to try and see if that helps. Since the problem is intermittent, not sure of a way of knowing that its fixed...

I did register the product with siglent and sent them an inquiry as to warranty service. On the siglent website I was looking at, I could not find anything listing the process for seeking repair under warranty. The email was to sales, but perhaps they will know where to forward it. I am in USA. I like the meter quite a bit in general, I have two of them, but this occasional locking up is concerning. I note that it has only been booted 23 times--I don't use it often.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #95 on: March 14, 2023, 02:21:38 am »
My 3045 locked up again—simply measuring dc voltage and it locked in ‘overload’ power off and on resolved. Looking forward to some better firmware.
What version are you on ?

Latest is Version: V5.01.01.07R1
Please confirm boot settings ? Default or Last ?

For the last year or so every unit leaves here set to Last and as yet not been contacted by customers with boot problems. Something you might like to also try as if we can find settings that lead to freezes we have better info to give the SW engineers to provide a fix.

Thank you for looking into this. I did not change the boot setting and it was set to factory. I changed it to last. I don't know what that setting does, but from your comment, I am interpreting that as a suggestion to boot from last to reduce problems. I note that it has booted without problems, and froze up later, but I am willing to try and see if that helps. Since the problem is intermittent, not sure of a way of knowing that its fixed...

I did register the product with siglent and sent them an inquiry as to warranty service. On the siglent website I was looking at, I could not find anything listing the process for seeking repair under warranty. The email was to sales, but perhaps they will know where to forward it. I am in USA. I like the meter quite a bit in general, I have two of them, but this occasional locking up is concerning. I note that it has only been booted 23 times--I don't use it often.
This conversation belongs here where you can read my detailed reply and requests:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-new-bench-dmm-sdm3055/msg4753937/#msg4753937

Please shift the conversation there.
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2023, 04:40:47 pm »
FYI,

I have received a simple voltage reference... 2.5,5,7.5 and 10 volts measured exactly the same ( depending on the number of digits available ) for the 3045X and 3055X-E firmwares..

Have not checked anything else yet but for sure looks promising

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #97 on: November 01, 2023, 07:12:39 pm »
Hi, i´ve used described method to change fw to 3055x-e and then reverted back to 3045x-e and it works flawlessly. No differences in measure (apart from 1+ digit).
When 'hacked' to 3055x-e no problem updating new firmware  (as SDM3055X-E_2.01.01.15R1).
I´m really glad to tv84 and all of u guys for the effort!!
Sould be able to open telnet when hacked to sdm3055x-e?? i´m only able to telnet when using telnet_SDM3045X.ads. This fw is only usable when prodID is 3045x (can´t use telnet over sdm3055x-e)

Thanks!!
 
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #98 on: February 05, 2024, 07:35:48 pm »
Is it only possible to go from SDM3045X to SDM3055S-E or can I also go to SDM3055? I ask so because the frimware of SDM3055 has evolved much further than that of SDM3055X-E. thx in advance.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #99 on: February 05, 2024, 08:39:06 pm »
Is it only possible to go from SDM3045X to SDM3055S-E or can I also go to SDM3055? I ask so because the frimware of SDM3055 has evolved much further than that of SDM3055X-E. thx in advance.

Not likely, they're different hardware. The SDM3045X and the SDM3055X-E are the same hardware. There's a dedicated thread now for the upgrade: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sdm3045x-to-sdm3055x-e-improvement-thread/msg5051191/#msg5051191

I own both the SDM3055X-E upgraded DMM, and the SDM3055. They're both great, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything switching between the 2 (except the fan noise).
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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2024, 09:32:57 pm »
The hardware for the SDM3045/SDM3055S-E is slightly different from the full SDM3055. However the difference is with the accuracy of parts  (more stable divider and reference) and may very well not effect the firmware side. So the same firmware should run on both. The E version is a cheaper version with reduced accuracy, but the same ranges.
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #101 on: March 12, 2024, 06:11:08 am »
Can the SDM3055 be modded to a SDM3065X?
 

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Re: Siglent SDM3045X - Enough is enough
« Reply #102 on: March 12, 2024, 06:12:57 am »
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