Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit 2GSa/s Oscilloscope Unboxing & Test

[skander36]

All it's possible. It is hard to know from the outside.
But given the difference between hardware of 2kHD and 1KHD I'm impressed of SDS1K-HD can do without signs of exhaust.

[Martin72]

Either that, or it's an artificial limitation introduced to protect the 2000X HD.

You can find out as long as skander still has his scope open...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4299064/#msg4299064

[skander36]

You can find out as long as skander still has his scope open...

It is already closed.
I am curious if the 3000X-HD will have the same HW configuration as 2000X-HD. It seem to be overpowered with 4 FPGA's.

[switchabl]

Looking at the photos, memory is 2x Samsung K4A8G16. That's 16Gb DDR4 with 32 bit bus and I'm assuming 2400 MT/s (maximum the ZUS+ controller can do), so 9.6 GB/s max. But that's peak bandwidth and it is shared with the ARM cores as well. So in practice 2x2 GSa/s is going to be hard to pull off.

The DDR controller supports up to 64 bit width, at least in the larger packages. So there is some potential to further scale up this architecture.

Memory configuration on the 800HD looks to be the same (except it's only 2x4Gb).

[Martin72]

I am curious if the 3000X-HD will have the same HW configuration as 2000X-HD. It seem to be overpowered with 4 FPGA's.

I don't think so.
If you look at the data sheet at certain points, the 3000X HD is closer to the 6000pro H12.
Just the fact that it has +4bit Eres (to get to 16) instead of the usual +3, as well as double FFT memory, 1GSa/s logic analyzer (instead of 500MSa/s), USB 3.0, etc., suggest that it is a little brother instead of a 2k HD on steroids.
I will know soon, but I will not unscrew it.

[skander36]

Then maybe Dave will get one 

[Martin72]

That would be better, because unlike him, I have to pay money to get one.
In 8 days there will be a launch of three new model series of a popular brand, which would normally be a day of celebration for YouTube reviewers like him.
But I have certain doubts that he will be suitably delighted with test models from Siglent.

[KungFuJosh]

I volunteer if Siglent wants me to review / teardown a SDS3000X HD. As long as I get to keep it. 😉

[orzel]

I volunteer if Siglent wants me to review / teardown a SDS3000X HD. As long as I get to keep it. 😉

I volunteer if Siglent wants me to review / teardown whatever. EVEN if I have to send it back 

[Gabri74]

Official prices on Siglent EU ?
https://www.siglent.eu/oscilloscopes/sds1000x-hd-series-new

• SDS1102X HD 2CH 12bit 100MHz €959.00
• SDS1202X HD 2CH 12bit 200MHz €1,099.00
• SDS1104X HD 4CH 12bit 100MHz €1,099.00
• SDS1204X HD 4CH 12bit 200MHz €1,299.00

For the price difference between the 100 and 200 MHz I will not even bother to do the 'upgrade' from one model to the other.

[Martin72]

siglent.eu is a retailer and has nothing to do with the official site of siglent europe..
But if he names the prices so shortly before the launch, then they are probably true and therefore the 200Mhz 4-channel is even cheaper than the 100Mhz 4-channel from rigol.

[Gabri74]

siglent.eu is a retailer and has nothing to do with the official site of siglent europe..

Ah, never known. Thanks for the heads up. I though it was on official site 

[skander36]

siglent.eu is a retailer and has nothing to do with the official site of siglent europe..

Ah, never known. Thanks for the heads up. I though it was on official site 

https://www.siglenteu.com/ is the oficial EU site.

[skander36]

maybe that was hard to settled ...

[Gabri74]

Official prices on Siglent EU ?
https://www.siglent.eu/oscilloscopes/sds1000x-hd-series-new

Didn't last long... access is password protected now 

[voltsandjolts]

I really don't understand why Siglent let that distributor in the Netherlands get away with using a "Siglent" domain...
...their siglent.eu domain is clearly misleading potential customers.

Yup, same with https://siglent.co.uk/ is actually owned and operated by https://telonic.co.uk/.

The Siglent mothership should have control of all these domains and list disti's on there as needed. Rigol also has a similar sh*t show, with confusing firmware distribution as a result.

[Gabri74]

I think that AllData (Italy Rigol distributor) has the correct approach: the site could be misleading https://www.rigolitalia.it/ , but in the main home page logo and in the footer is clearly stated that they are a distributor 

[skander36]

For about 10 days I'm running on Fw. ver. 1.1.3.1. on SDS1204X-HD.
This Fw. was send to me by Siglent support as non final version to solved 2 issues that I encountered with SDS1000X-HD.
One was incorect render of the waveform when zoom on the captured signal that looks with semicircles as attached.
Now, with the new Fw. the signal is show corectly as it should on max zoom (second pic). Problem solved.
The other was a bug that make the scope to remain locked on the PSRR measure function in Power Analysis. You can restart but to access any application from Power Analysis menu you should restore to factory defaults or do a security erase, because it remained stick with the PSRR (the Bode plot app which is used in this test does not exit correctly and remain stick). Also this problem was solved.
I have no other issues with this Fw. until now. It is possible that the 1000X-HD models that will be delivered soon to already have this version or newer.
A few more pics from the inside.

[maralb]

Some time ago Dave made 2 youtube video's about the SDS2000X+ memory management (which caused a lot of debate). One about the history mode which was constantly engaged and one about the inability to zoom out on a screen capture. If I understood correctly, this behaviour was changed for the 2000HD series but never for the 2000X+ because it isn't possible or Siglent doesn't want to change it for the 2000X+.

How is this behaviour for the 1000HD series? I am considering to buy a 2000X+ but the 1000HD is also an option for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVxDibdosdI&pp=ygUQc2lnbGVudCB6b29tIG91dA%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLcdZjFuho0&t=13s&pp=ygUQc2lnbGVudCB6b29tIG91dA%3D%3D

[skander36]

Some time ago Dave made 2 youtube video's about the SDS2000X+ memory management (which caused a lot of debate). One about the history mode which was constantly engaged and one about the inability to zoom out on a screen capture. If I understood correctly, this behaviour was changed for the 2000HD series but never for the 2000X+ because it isn't possible or Siglent doesn't want to change it for the 2000X+.

How is this behaviour for the 1000HD series? I am considering to buy a 2000X+ but the 1000HD is also an option for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVxDibdosdI&pp=ygUQc2lnbGVudCB6b29tIG91dA%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLcdZjFuho0&t=13s&pp=ygUQc2lnbGVudCB6b29tIG91dA%3D%3D

The behavior seem to be the same as SDS2000X+.
The history mode I found always on, even if I turned off.
Also the scope is capturing only what is on the screen, even if I allocate 100 mpts. If you want to zoom out you can't. But if you need more data you may set the timebase to a more larger value, allocate entire memory and you will get enough data. For my needs this is ok but I can understad if there are situations where this is not the best scenario.

[Martin72]

Also the scope is capturing only what is on the screen, even if I allocate 100 mpts.

Dave´s "Zoom out quirk"....
If I remember correctly, we even have a separate thread for this.

[idolclub]

Siglent just released firmware v1.1.3.1 for SDS1000X HD ~ 2024.03.12

Download:
https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1000X-HD_V1.1.3.1_CN.zip