Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[exe]

I guess I can brag about my micsig which is ready to use right after boot . Sure there is some DC drift, but if I need to measure voltage, I use a DMM. Even cheapest DMM will do circles around even expensive oscilloscopes in terms of precision and input impedance (for passive probes).

So, I vote for faster boot times. It makes better user experience for me. People who don't need or don't care won't loose anything.

[tautech]

Spurred by this post from another thread:

I wish some scope one day implements a function to save screenshots/capture logs to a remote NAS folder directly, like most office-class MFU do for scanned documents - for example Canon MF644 that I recently bought. It can also save directly to a PC, but it requires some client software running on it, while NAS is supported natively. Incredibly useful feature!

A quick look this functionality is also available in these HD models coming, no surprise it also is.
Found in the Utility>Service menu.

[BillyO]

A quick look this functionality is also available in these HD models coming, no surprise it also is.
Found in the Utility>Service menu.

It's also available on the SDS2000XP series too.  Great feature.

[Martin72]

Taken from the rigol thread:

Rigol has left the door open, but I don't think Siglent plans to walk through it any time soon; they are taking a different route. There's just not enough margin for them in the entry-level scope class. And they can't price the 1000X HD too low, since that would cannibalize their 2000X HD sales too much.

I have no doubt that the 1000X HD will cost about the same as the 2000Xplus.
At least...
Just as you now have a choice between 2000X HD entry or SDS5000X entry, you will have a choice between 1000X HD and 2000X plus in terms of price.
As I said, just my opinion, but I was almost right about the price of the 2000X hd.
Now only two things have to happen:
The device is also offered on the western market and the prices are known.

[BillyO]

The device is also offered on the western market and the prices are known.

It's taking them a while.  I wonder why they are taking so long?

[tautech]

It's taking them a while.  I wonder why they are taking so long?

There have been changes since the original design.

Careful study of the OP hints of them. 

[Antonio90]

2gs/s? Isn't that directly competing against the 2000X HD?

So, it's going to be a 2000X HD alternative without MSO or AWG and slightly lower cost then?
It will probably be an excellent scope, but my guess is 1800€ starting price, out of general hobbyist range.

Edit: and lower bandwith front-end.

[tautech]

2gs/s? Isn't that directly competing against the 2000X HD?

No.
2000X HD is a 500 MHz design whereas 1000X HD is a 200 MHz design.
Study the datasheets. 

So, it's going to be a 2000X HD alternative without MSO or AWG and slightly lower cost then?

MSO and AWG will be external HW options of which this HW already exists for other models.
Not including this HW in the design will help reduce pricing.

[Martin72]

2gs/s? Isn't that directly competing against the 2000X HD?

Not really..
My guess is it will have one ADC for all channels because of the samplerate dropping to 500MSa/s when all channel are active.
Then the already mentioned max. bandwith of 200Mhz and the 100Mpts memory, dropping to 25Mpts when all channel are active.
And then there is the possibility that, the data sheet is silent about the fact, that average and eres are available as math functions like in the 2000Xplus and are not implemented on the hardware side like in the 2000X HD.
There are already a few differences present...

[Antonio90]

2gs/s? Isn't that directly competing against the 2000X HD?

No.
2000X HD is a 500 MHz design whereas 1000X HD is a 200 MHz design.
Study the datasheets. 

So, it's going to be a 2000X HD alternative without MSO or AWG and slightly lower cost then?

MSO and AWG will be external HW options of which this HW already exists for other models.
Not including this HW in the design will help reduce pricing.

Yeah, I spotted my mistake right after hitting "post". 200 VS 500MHz is a big difference.
Let's wait and see. I think leaving the LA and AWG as addons is a good move, and quite a few siglent users have external AWGs already for FRA.

[2N3055]

2gs/s? Isn't that directly competing against the 2000X HD?

So, it's going to be a 2000X HD alternative without MSO or AWG and slightly lower cost then?
It will probably be an excellent scope, but my guess is 1800€ starting price, out of general hobbyist range.

Edit: and lower bandwith front-end.

It takes time because unlike Rigol, Siglent tries to release fully developed products.
Like others said, there was hardware revision of previous SDS1000X HD, so now it is 2GS-1GS-500MS/s. It's 200 MHz BW will be full with all channels.
It is very similar to 2000X HD in general concept and phisical layout is identical, but has no Zone trigger, no built in AWG, and no built in MSO (it does have option to add external MSO sampling box).  It has Bode plot and Power analysis option.

It does not compare with  Rigol DHO900 but is comparable class with DHO1000 (actually much better than it, because DHO1000 has no additional measurements or analysis over DHO800).

For people who need advanced 12bit analytic scope up to 200MHz, don't need built in MSO, and have already standalone Siglent AWG DS1000X HD is going to be killer choice..

[Martin72]

don't need built in MSO

Sure my friend ?

Digital logic signal analysis: Enables mixed-signal acquisition and analysis

https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000x-hd/

(english translated)

[tautech]

don't need built in MSO

Sure my friend ?

Digital logic signal analysis: Enables mixed-signal acquisition and analysis

https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000x-hd/

(english translated)

An option we can add later IF needed.
https://siglentna.com/product/sla1016/

[Martin72]

An option we can add later IF needed.

Is it the same with the other siglent scopes or do I not understand something ?

[tautech]

An option we can add later IF needed.

Is it the same with the other siglent scopes or do I not understand something ?

For SDS1 and 2000X-E MSO the SLA1016 LA module is required. < SDS1000X HD uses this too.

For all other models, SPL2016 that has no active circuitry.
https://siglentna.com/product/spl2016-16-channel-logic-probe-for-mso-option-sds2000x-oscilloscope-family/

[Martin72]

Rob,
I had understood 2N3055 to mean that there is no MSO option for the 1000X HD, so the scope is not a MSO.
Therefore the link to the data sheet.

[tautech]

Rob,
I had understood 2N3055 to mean that there is no MSO option for the 1000X HD, so the scope is not a MSO.

This only means the MSO option is not fully inbuilt. MSO/LA capabilities works just fine with my SDS1204X HD and the SLA1016 LA module.
It connects to the Sbus port just the same as X-E models.


Later when other tasks are finished I'll post a MSO/LA screenshot.

[2N3055]

An option we can add later IF needed.

Is it the same with the other siglent scopes or do I not understand something ?

Martin,

it is same as with SDS1000X-E. It has S-bus connector for external MSO sampling box. So it has software support for MSO but needs additional hardware box, not only cables.

[Martin72]

Ah....Ahhh....
Thanks !!!

[tautech]

Rob,
I had understood 2N3055 to mean that there is no MSO option for the 1000X HD, so the scope is not a MSO.

This only means the MSO option is not fully inbuilt. MSO/LA capabilities works just fine with my SDS1204X HD and the SLA1016 LA module.
It connects to the Sbus port just the same as X-E models.


Later when other tasks are finished I'll post a MSO/LA screenshot.

Digital mode.
Pre-release scope HW and SW ! SW enhancements requested since last beta FW release.
Currently available SLA1016 LA module with latest FW.
Just half of the 16 channels available displayed. Each channel can be individually toggled ON or OFF or as a group of 8.

[Warhawk]

Thanks for explaining the external LA options. I thought that the external "box" can be easily built. This is, however, only the case for the simpler variant. The SLA1016 is quite complex and I think I don't need it for 400 eur.
And now comes the question if I need 2000x plus or 1000x HD 

[Performa01]

All those who attach great importance to the MSO capability should be aware that the SLA1016 is an external intelligent device which is somehow synced to the DSO, hence integration isn't great. I guess this old posting still applies (reply #1068):

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/msg2007983/#msg2007983

If MSO is really important, consider the integrated solution (SPL2016) as in SDS2000X Plus/HD and higher.

[Warhawk]

All those who attach great importance to the MSO capability should be aware that the SLA1016 is an external intelligent device which is somehow synced to the DSO, hence integration isn't great. I guess this old posting still applies (reply #1068):

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/msg2007983/#msg2007983

If MSO is really important, consider the integrated solution (SPL2016) as in SDS2000X Plus/HD and higher.

You've just helped me a lot. I really wonder how much I am missing out if I pass on 12b resolution. I need to play with some HDO lecroys we have at work.

[tv84]

All those who attach great importance to the MSO capability should be aware that the SLA1016 is an If MSO is really important, consider the integrated solution (SPL2016) as in SDS2000X Plus/HD and higher.

IIRC, SLA1016 included a Zynq processor inside. Did the SPL2016 discard that and all the processing is done inside the scope?

[tautech]

Did the SPL2016 discard that and all the processing is done inside the scope?

Entirely.
Fully passive LA probe and nicely we have a Pcie socket to plug straight into.

All details here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-analyzer-probe-and-pods-for-siglent-scopes/