Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[tv84]

Sorry for the lazyness (it was a tiring year...  ) but can someone list the main differences between the (announced) 1000X HD and the 2000X HD?

[tv84]

Sorry for the lazyness (it was a tiring year...  ) but can someone list the main differences between the (announced) 1000X HD and the 2000X HD?

Oh, the comparison is here.

So, the biggest difference it seems is the limitation of the BW (in the 1000X HD it only goes up to 200MHz).

Then that perfectly explains the (hypothesized) pricing of the 1000X HD as half the 2000X HD: I have no doubt that Siglent already incorporates in the 2104X HD price the touch of the non-public keygen.

[2N3055]

Sorry for the lazyness (it was a tiring year...  ) but can someone list the main differences between the (announced) 1000X HD and the 2000X HD?

You of all people need not to apologize for being lazy... 

I would be glad to chime in..

major differences:

- Less max BW : 200Mhz
- Less Sampling: rate 2/1/0.5 GS/s
- less memory: 100/50/25 Mpts/ch
- no zone trigger
- no built in MSO
- no built in AWG
- less serial bus decodes (but still CAN FD for instance)

that's mostly it... Maybe I missed some detail...

EDIT:

Yeah you were quicker... 


EDIT EDIT:

That is old comparison.
SDSD1000X HD that will be relased is more powerful version and also SDS2000X HD gained more features in meantime..

[baldurn]

Then that perfectly explains the (hypothesized) pricing of the 1000X HD as half the 2000X HD: I have no doubt that Siglent already incorporates in the 2104X HD price the touch of the non-public keygen.

I understand that 800X HD and 1000X HD can be unlocked by the public keygen. That has to mean they want those two to be hackable. Comparably I expect far fewer people will figure out how to visit Eevblog and get help with the 2104X HD.

The case of making entry level scopes hackable on purpose is an interesting one. They expect most if not all private citizens to pay the cheapest price and then upgrade. But many companies, schools and institutions will not allow hacking equipment and might chose to pay for the upgrades. That way they can effectively have two prices with rabate to the hobby crowd.

Question is, are they unhappy about the 2104X HD hack? Since they made it harder, they might not want that one to be hackable. On the other hand, the current situation with only a restricted number of hacked scopes might still be beneficial for them.

[ebastler]

With the SDS1000X HD now drawing closer for us Europeans, I'm looking at the spec sheet (again...), wondering whether I should upgrade from my DHO1074. One little detail I was wondering about, since I have just used that feature in a set of measurements:

Is it possible to filter the signal (lowpass, highpass, bandpass), either via a Math operation or via acquisition settings? I could not find that in the 1000X HD specs or in the 2000X HD manual. Thanks!

[Martin72]

Hi,

Digital filters are available for the 2000X HD and higher in the math functions.
This has been added via a firmware update, but the manual has not yet been revised accordingly.
If I'm not mistaken, this is also the case with the new 1000X HD revision, at least the term "filter" is translated from the Chinese data sheet under math.
(Edit: when translating a part with deepl, better let´s wait for the official english datasheet)

[tautech]

Rob,
I had understood 2N3055 to mean that there is no MSO option for the 1000X HD, so the scope is not a MSO.

This only means the MSO option is not fully inbuilt. MSO/LA capabilities works just fine with my SDS1204X HD and the SLA1016 LA module.
It connects to the Sbus port just the same as X-E models.


Later when other tasks are finished I'll post a MSO/LA screenshot.

Digital mode.
Pre-release scope HW and SW ! SW enhancements requested since last beta FW release.
Currently available SLA1016 LA module with latest FW.
Just half of the 16 channels available displayed. Each channel can be individually toggled ON or OFF or as a group of 8.

SLA1016 improvements are ongoing with tab colors that now match the probe leads and support for SDS800X HD too.

[tautech]

OP updated with western release datasheet and model types that will be available.

[Performa01]

Unknown release date..........now is Q1 2024.

1 GSa/s 12 bit designs of 100MHz and 200MHz with 2 and 4ch versions

Thankfully, SDS1000X HD will have 2 GSa/s max. sample rate.

[christopher.robot]

Thank you for this thread!  I was days from pulling the trigger on a SDS2104X HD - but this certainly gives me pause. 

I slapped together a quick at-a-glance feature comparison, based on the available datasheets:



Really excited to see what price-point this comes in at.

Edit: Fixed optional/std protocols and newer functionality under-reported in outdated datasheet.

[Martin72]

The data sheet for the 2000X HD is out of date.
It now also has 4 math channels and digital filters.
Additionally 4 memory channels and extended memory management.
In addition, ERES and Average are not only available as math but also hardware-accelerated as acquisition mode.
The LA part is implemented in contrast to the 1000X HD.

[christopher.robot]

The data sheet for the 2000X HD is out of date.
It now also has 4 math channels and digital filters.
Additionally 4 memory channels and extended memory management.
In addition, ERES and Average are not only available as math but also hardware-accelerated as acquisition mode.
The LA part is implemented in contrast to the 1000X HD.

heh, I was worried about something like that.  I kinda assumed all the 'software implemented' components (like protocol decoding) would be the same across the two platforms, but I didn't want to include speculation.  I'll scour for a newer datasheet, if one is available, but I'll update the table now based on your input.  Thanks!

[tautech]

I'll scour for a newer datasheet, if one is available, but I'll update the table now based on your input.

The SDS1000X HD datasheet you have linked is the correct/current version and also linked in the OP.

I'll drop a reminder to Siglent to update the SDS2000X HD datasheet.

[Performa01]

I slapped together a quick at-a-glance feature comparison, based on the available datasheets:

Well, the differences still appear not that big from your table, because even obvious features like twice the sample rate and memory (and consequently higher bandwidth, faster peak detect and lower trigger jitter) in the SDS2000X HD are missing.

But also some less obvious things:
+ Memory Traces only in SDS2000X HD
+ Trigger Holdoff by Events only in SDS2000
+ Zone Trigger only in SDS2000
+ Histograms only in SDS2000
+ Customizable trace colors and RGB-LEDs in the front panel only in SDS2000

+ Digital Inputs: Fully integrated solution in the SDS2000.

This has the following disadvantages for SDS800/1000X HD with regard to digital inputs:
•   Since SLA1016 incorporates a complete SOC and local memory, it cannot be cheap even though the probe head and the grabbers leave a cheap impression.
•   Mixed analog / digital pattern trigger is not possible.
•   Zoom mode cannot be used as soon as digital channels are enabled.
•   History doesn’t work either when digital channels are activated.

[Martin72]

+ Customizable trace colors and RGB-LEDs in the front panel only in SDS2000

It took me almost a year to notice that the color of the keys had also changed.
Really cool.

[kripton2035]

+ Zone Trigger only in SDS2000

that is a feature I cannot live without ...

[Mortymore]

Siglent SDS1000X-HD manual (source siglent.eu)

[Mortymore]

Siglent SDS1000X-HD programming guide EN11F, the same for SDS800X-HD (source siglent.eu)

[tautech]

Released to western markets today.
OP updated with links to webpages.

PS
I could announce SDS3000X HD is also released today in the dedicated thread I started for it however it seems moderators deemed it did not need its own thread and it can no longer be found. 

Please report this post to Mods asking for the SDS3000X HD thread to be resurrected.

[Martin72]

I could announce SDS3000X HD is also released today in the dedicated thread I started for it however it seems moderators deemed it did not need its own thread and it can no longer be found.

There are heaps of Rigol DHO threads, one for every fart....

[BillyO]

Perhaps a slight Rigol bias on EEVblog?

[BreakingOhmsLaw]

Ordered a 1204X-HD today.
Siglent.eu did not have the option for the logic analyzer listed yet, but I've contacted them and the told me that the list price for the liscense key + SLA1016 hardware is €443 +VAT.

[Martin72]

Incidentally, that's something I still don't think is great.
SDS2104Xplus, SDS2104X HD and now the SDS3034X HD...
I was always one of the first and was always "punished" for it.
Because later there are the great promo campaigns, which I don't benefit from as a first-time buyer because they are always linked to a new purchase.
I think that's unfair, seriously.
Actually, it should be the other way around.

[core]

Incidentally, that's something I still don't think is great.
SDS2104Xplus, SDS2104X HD and now the SDS3034X HD...
I was always one of the first and was always "punished" for it.
Because later there are the great promo campaigns, which I don't benefit from as a first-time buyer because they are always linked to a new purchase.
I think that's unfair, seriously.
Actually, it should be the other way around.

This way, however, your opinions are unbiased.
It is just your opinion, even if it is subjective. Like many of us.
Some of us bought before we saw the device and found out for ourselves whether it was worth it or not.

Otherwise, Performa01 is a good example of a reviewer who provides dry technical information without any bias, even if he represents a particular manufacturer. It even points out weaknesses as well as causes and compromises that had to be made.

[Martin72]

Hmm?
Of course that's just my opinion, what else...