Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[KungFuJosh]

Many thanks, Warhawk and KungFuJosh!

Regarding the LA probe, Siglent are currently enticing new buyers of the SDS2000X plus with that bundle offer... Being "legal" on pretty much all options (except for higher bandwidth) and getting the very nice LA probe is tempting. I would prefer if they had a special offer on the price of the base unit instead -- but from a marketing perspective I can see that they don't want to let that price degrade if they can avoid it.

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

[ebastler]

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

Oh, thanks! I am not sure whether the European Siglent dealers do Blackfriday deals, but will keep an eye out for these; I am in no rush. (Will need to pretend that no purchase happened until Christmas anyway...  )

[mwb1100]

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

It was pretty much exactly one year ago (ended on 31 Dec 2022 if I remember right). And not only was the scope itself on sale, but they had the bundle deal with LA going too.  It was a very hard deal to resist, but I did somehow.  If they threw that one-two punch again, I'm not sure I'd be able to help myself...

[tautech]

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

It was pretty much exactly one year ago (ended on 31 Dec 2022 if I remember right). And not only was the scope itself on sale, but they had the bundle deal with LA going too.  It was a very hard deal to resist, but I did somehow.  If they threw that one-two punch again, I'm not sure I'd be able to help myself...

Yeah that was a hot deal for just 3 months but there's several Siglent bundle deals and/or price reductions happening currently.
Competition is good.

[Warhawk]

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

Oh, thanks! I am not sure whether the European Siglent dealers do Blackfriday deals, but will keep an eye out for these; I am in no rush. (Will need to pretend that no purchase happened until Christmas anyway...  )

I was also thinking about waiting for any kind of promotion. However, I was afraid that units may be not on stock because of Christmas. And I wanted it. :-)
Bought it from Batronix and paid 1426 Eur. Please note that the logic pod and options are in promotion but for extra money. I did not want to pay that much.

PS: It is difficult not to love that scope.

[asmi]

So maybe the SDS1000X HD will not be the right scope for me after all. I certainly spend more time on digital than analog systems and was looking forward to upgrading to MSO capability. (But a less noisy front end than in my current DS1054Z would be nice too...) Ah, decisions... 

If LA is so important to you, I'd recommend to consider buying a decent dedicated PC-based one instead of MSO. They tend to be more convenient to work with and have more features than whatever is built-into MSO. And if you will ever want to see analog and digital captures correlated by timing, a lot of LAs have a trigger input and output to achieve just that, though in ~7 years of owning an MSO I never actually needed that - but maybe your needs are different.

[Antonio90]

Not that long ago they had the SDS2104XP on sale for $999. I dunno if they'll do it again for Black Friday, but it might be worth the wait.

Oh, thanks! I am not sure whether the European Siglent dealers do Blackfriday deals, but will keep an eye out for these; I am in no rush. (Will need to pretend that no purchase happened until Christmas anyway...  )

Batterfly has a 10% off on everything, whether it already has discounts/bundles or not. That's 120€/146€ on the SDS2000X+ depending on the bundle.
This might be a stupid idea, but for the price of the Siglent you can get both the MSO5000 and the DHO800 and hack them both. If you DIY the logic probes, you get both the reduced noise and dynamic range and the Mixed domain stuff.

I don't think I'll need MSO capabilities, so I guess I'll wait for the 1000X-HD and decide based on price.

[ebastler]

Batterfly has a 10% off on everything, whether it already has discounts/bundles or not. That's 120€/146€ on the SDS2000X+ depending
on the bundle.

Thanks for the hint! That is a promising, and surprisingly early, start into the season. With Batronix' "We will match the best price" promise, there's a second player at the table, and one that is local to me. Let's see whether any other European dealers want to join the Black Friday/Week/November game...

This might be a stupid idea, but for the price of the Siglent you can get both the MSO5000 and the DHO800 and hack them both. If you DIY the logic probes, you get both the reduced noise and dynamic range and the Mixed domain stuff.

I am not sure whether you can propose that in a Siglent thread. 

Having one scope with very high sampling rate and full 4-channel controls, and another one which is cute and portable, is tempting. But then there would be other compromises vs. the SDS2104X+. Which, by the way, just came out as a bit less noisy than the DHO800 in a quick comparison in a parallel thread. [Edit: That's when using the X+ in 10-bit high-res mode.]

Maybe most importantly: I think the argument "I actually want two scopes for Christmas" would be a difficult sell... And together they would cost 100€ more vs. the SDS2104X+ price, right, (net prices, logic probes excluded in either case)?

[Martin72]

Yes, almost 120€ more (incl. VAT) at least at Batronix.
If I were still an MSO5000 owner, buying the DHO804 would indeed be worth considering.
I still think the MSO is the best behind the SDS2104Xplus and if you can't/won't spend almost 400€ more, then that would be the second tip.
But if I don't have that yet, I wouldn't buy 2 scopes and still not get the full quality of the SDS2104X+.

[Antonio90]

It seems I cannot add. Yeah, it's 99 more (899+399), unless you get the 8072, as you already have probes from the DHO800.

If you have little bench space but enough close storage space, the 800 with a VESA mount is a nice daily driver, and the MSO5000 can come out when needed. But yeah, one scope is enough, especially if it's better.

[MathWizard]

So is the 1000X HD is like 12-bit Vertical res. version of the sds1000x-e or is it more like the sds2000x+ series ? I just know the price ranges. The sds5000x+ series is over $4k CAD, and the sds2000xHD start up around that, so isn't that the HD version of the 2000x+ ?

Then what's the new 800x HD series, ? if I read TauTech say it's more like the 1000x-e ? I guess named like the Rigol too.

I'd love to own a 2000x HD, maybe if I save up for a couple of years I could justify it.

[Wong]

The price of SDS1204X HD has been reduced, and the current price is 6780 RMB (950 USD)

[2N3055]

So is the 1000X HD is like 12-bit Vertical res. version of the sds1000x-e or is it more like the sds2000x+ series ? I just know the price ranges. The sds5000x+ series is over $4k CAD, and the sds2000xHD start up around that, so isn't that the HD version of the 2000x+ ?

Then what's the new 800x HD series, ? if I read TauTech say it's more like the 1000x-e ? I guess named like the Rigol too.

I'd love to own a 2000x HD, maybe if I save up for a couple of years I could justify it.

SDS2000X HD is not 12 bit version of 2000X+.

SDS2000X HD is new generation 10" touch scope from same generation as SDS6000A.

SDS1000X HD will be very similar to SDS2000X HD with slightly less sampling rate, memory and no zone trigger. Same 10" screen, and absolutely same form factor.

SDS800X HD will be a downsized version of SDS1000X HD. Smaller screen and few things less. Not sure exactly what until datasheet is officially published. It will be same size as SDS1000X-E but that is only thing in common. SDS800X HD is more similar to SDS6000A than to SDS1000X-E.

[ebastler]

SDS1000X HD will be very similar to SDS2000X HD with slightly less sampling rate, memory and no zone trigger. Same 10" screen, and absolutely same form factor.

SDS800X HD will be a downsized version of SDS1000X HD. Smaller screen and few things less. Not sure exactly what until datasheet is officially published. It will be same size as SDS1000X-E but that is only thing in common. SDS800X HD is more similar to SDS6000A than to SDS1000X-E.

Also, no internal AWG and logic analyser in the 1000X HD and 800X HD models, apparently -- but the HDMI-shaped connector for a somewhat limited external logic analyser, and the ability to control external AWGs for Bode plotting.

[Martin72]

Better than having nothing at all.

[ebastler]

Better than having nothing at all.

Sure. On both counts the Siglents are ahead of the Rigol DHO1000 and 800, respectively. The DHO900 is the only Rigol model which can offer LA and AWG functionality in the entry-level 12-bit space.

Heck, I was about to write that in the above post, but thought it would be redundant and not really belong into a Siglent thread. But had overlooked the sensivities around this topic. 

[2N3055]

Better than having nothing at all.

Sure. On both counts the Siglents are ahead of the Rigol DHO1000 and 800, respectively. The DHO900 is the only Rigol model which can offer LA and AWG functionality in the entry-level 12-bit space.

Heck, I was about to write that in the above post, but thought it would be redundant and not really belong into a Siglent thread. But had overlooked the sensivities around this topic. 

I always forget about internal AWGs. Sorry.

[Performa01]

I always forget about internal AWGs. Sorry.

Sure - probably because not many professionals will ever use one in a lab...

[rf-loop]

The price of SDS1204X HD has been reduced, and the current price is 6780 RMB (950 USD)

Interesting is this (only) 100 RMB step between models.  (in 天淘寶)
SDS1074X  6580 RMB
SDS1104X  6680 RMB
SDS1204X  6780 RMB

[Antonio90]

If the price stays on its way to the west, I'll get one.

[ebastler]

Interesting is this (only) 100 RMB step between models.  (in 天淘寶)
SDS1074X  6580 RMB
SDS1104X  6680 RMB
SDS1204X  6780 RMB

Hmm. Not according to Siglents pricing at https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000x-hd/#pro_model:

SDS1074X HD   6780 RMB
SDS1104X HD   9080 RMB
SDS1204X HD 11080 RMB

Your prices look better.   Where did you get them from?

[tszaboo]

Better than having nothing at all.

The USB remote control to external AWG is a killer feature IMHO. If they can really get the price down by not having the internal hardware, I would much rather have an extra box, (that can be unlocked to 60MHz and) has higher VPP and better specs than an internal AWG. So the scope would need to be, 250-300EUR cheaper than competing products for this to make sense.
I'm on the fence about the LA. On one hand, the external probe from Siglent is a bit more expensive than their passive part, on the other hand it's better hardware. I think a cheap 8 channel probe in the lineup would be nice. We rarely use more than 4 LA channels, most communication protocols are serial nowadays.

[rf-loop]

Interesting is this (only) 100 RMB step between models.  (in 天淘寶)
SDS1074X  6580 RMB
SDS1104X  6680 RMB
SDS1204X  6780 RMB

Hmm. Not according to Siglents pricing at https://www.siglent.com/products-overview/sds1000x-hd/#pro_model:

SDS1074X HD   6780 RMB
SDS1104X HD   9080 RMB
SDS1204X HD 11080 RMB

Your prices look better.   Where did you get them from?

(in 天淘寶)  = Taobao/Tmall  and it was really surprice...
I need to investigate the matter a little more when I have time to see if there is some hidden trick in the Taobao price from this seller.

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?abbucket=14&id=714215504152&ns=1&spm=a21n57.1.0.0.4b92523cWkIYKz&skuId=5169282266176

[ebastler]

(in 天淘寶)  = Taobao  and it was really surprice...
I need to investigate the matter a little more when I have time to see if there is some hidden trick in the Taobao price from this seller.

Are these the original SDS1000X HD models maybe, with only 1 GSa/s? Unloading stock which is now outdated?

[Veteran68]

I'd prefer NOT having internal AWG. And while there can be some use in having an internal LA that can be viewed alongside time domain waveform displays for certain diagnostic purposes, I don't find it to be all that common a use-case in the real world. I'd rather have my external AWGs and LAs.