Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[Antonio90]

(in 天淘寶)  = Taobao  and it was really surprice...
I need to investigate the matter a little more when I have time to see if there is some hidden trick in the Taobao price from this seller.

Are these the original SDS1000X HD models maybe, with only 1 GSa/s? Unloading stock which is now outdated?

The images are for the updated model, but you are right, there is "1G" something in the title. If it's the old model the price is no longer that good TBH.

[rf-loop]

(in 天淘寶)  = Taobao  and it was really surprice...
I need to investigate the matter a little more when I have time to see if there is some hidden trick in the Taobao price from this seller.

Are these the original SDS1000X HD models maybe, with only 1 GSa/s? Unloading stock which is now outdated?

Look my previous msg added image and link... and in same side scrolling bit more down...
(also old version was grey...)

But in Taobao/Tmall there need be careful...  If I am now in China it is easy to contact seller and ask what is real truth... and as we know... inside China if you buy from these places... if not like what you get... just return and get money back. There customer protection works really well if look even bit something background about seller before click and pay. 

ETA: And investigated more. This image is just from same Siglent Flagship store in Tmall...   
If look Siglent official China  site there is direct link to just this store in Tmall (somehow part of Taobao)
But still... this price is too good to be true... there is now something... I have not tried to pay because I do not want login to my Taobao account  so that I can go to final steps for buy and then stop just before confirm payment

Also next image... when keep mouse over selection it give this pop-up and there can see it is 2G version

[ebastler]

Anyone here brave enough to order one of these? (Ideally someone based in China, I guess, to avoid the hassle of international shipping, duties, and potential return shipping...)

[tszaboo]

I'd prefer NOT having internal AWG. And while there can be some use in having an internal LA that can be viewed alongside time domain waveform displays for certain diagnostic purposes, I don't find it to be all that common a use-case in the real world. I'd rather have my external AWGs and LAs.

LA is very much needed for mixed signal system debugging, especially if it has multiplexed inputs. How do you debug an SPI ADC with multiple inputs?
AWG is used for for bode plot it needs to be connected into the scope, because aint nobody has time to script that.
Both of these functions are very much needed on a scope. Or connected to a scope.

[2N3055]

I'd prefer NOT having internal AWG. And while there can be some use in having an internal LA that can be viewed alongside time domain waveform displays for certain diagnostic purposes, I don't find it to be all that common a use-case in the real world. I'd rather have my external AWGs and LAs.

LA is very much needed for mixed signal system debugging, especially if it has multiplexed inputs. How do you debug an SPI ADC with multiple inputs?
AWG is used for for bode plot it needs to be connected into the scope, because aint nobody has time to script that.
Both of these functions are very much needed on a scope. Or connected to a scope.

Siglent scopes with Bode support pretty much all standalone Siglent AWG for Bode. It is integrated very well and simply works.
I use external SDG6000X even with SDS2000X HD that has internal gen.

[Veteran68]

For bode plots I just need to be able to integrate an external AWG.

Again, I'd argue that most people doing LA work (myself included) are strictly digital and don't often live in the mixed-signal world. Those that do, obviously need the capability. I just think a lot of us (arguably? most of us) here don't while we still like to wring our hands over the possibility of needing it one day.

I'll be the first one to admit that I've overspent on a lot of things (not just T&M gear) thinking that I'll use it "one day." I also neither confirm nor deny that I still have things in the factory box years later that was never used for any purpose, much less that exceptional "what if" purpose. I'm very good at talking myself into needing something that I really don't.

[tszaboo]

I'd prefer NOT having internal AWG. And while there can be some use in having an internal LA that can be viewed alongside time domain waveform displays for certain diagnostic purposes, I don't find it to be all that common a use-case in the real world. I'd rather have my external AWGs and LAs.

LA is very much needed for mixed signal system debugging, especially if it has multiplexed inputs. How do you debug an SPI ADC with multiple inputs?
AWG is used for for bode plot it needs to be connected into the scope, because aint nobody has time to script that.
Both of these functions are very much needed on a scope. Or connected to a scope.

Siglent scopes with Bode support pretty much all standalone Siglent AWG for Bode. It is integrated very well and simply works.
I use external SDG6000X even with SDS2000X HD that has internal gen.

Thanks I know, I wrote about this maybe 5 post ago...
After reading about it actually changed my mind about the built in AWG, since it's a really neat feature.

[ebastler]

Both of these functions are very much needed on a scope. Or connected to a scope.

That might depend just a wee bit on what the user wants to do with his scope? 

[Martin72]

I have never been interested in the internal generators because they are simply too limited.
I bought an SDG1032X for my SDS2104Xplus back then and an SDG2042X (2122X, hehe) for my current 2504X HD.

[tszaboo]

Both of these functions are very much needed on a scope. Or connected to a scope.

That might depend just a wee bit on what the user wants to do with his scope? 

Yes, I'm sure there are some people only need one channel, to connect a microphone to it and sing the Las Ketchup song.

For bode plots I just need to be able to integrate an external AWG.

Again, I'd argue that most people doing LA work (myself included) are strictly digital and don't often live in the mixed-signal world. Those that do, obviously need the capability. I just think a lot of us (arguably? most of us) here don't while we still like to wring our hands over the possibility of needing it one day.

I'll be the first one to admit that I've overspent on a lot of things (not just T&M gear) thinking that I'll use it "one day." I also neither confirm nor deny that I still have things in the factory box years later that was never used for any purpose, much less that exceptional "what if" purpose. I'm very good at talking myself into needing something that I really don't.

I've never seen a EE say, they prefer not having a LA on a scope. Other disciplines, yes.

[tszaboo]

I have never been interested in the internal generators because they are simply too limited.
I bought an SDG1032X for my SDS2104Xplus back then and an SDG2042X (2122X, hehe) for my current 2504X HD.

Yeah, so the thing is, some of us has a limited budget for a home lab.

[Martin72]

I've never seen a EE say, they prefer not having a LA on a scope. Other disciplines, yes.

In the 80s/90s we (company i´m working for) used dozens of logic ICs in our circuits, so a logic analyzer made sense.
Today it´s all integrated in a PLD or FPGA.

[tv84]

Since the 1000X HD also has these designations inside:

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SDS102X SDS102E SDS202E
SDS104X SDS104E SDS204E
SDS105X SDS105E SDS205E
SDS106X SDS106E SDS206E
SDS107X SDS107E SDS207E
SDS110X SDS110E SDS210E
SDS115X SDS115E SDS215E
SDS120X SDS120E SDS220E
SDS125X SDS125E SDS225E
SDS130X SDS130E       
SDS135X         SDS235E
SDS150X               
SDS175X               
SDS1100X               
SDS1200X               
SDS1300X               
SDS1400X               

and the fact that the 800X HD FW might be very similar, maybe the conspiracy theory that the 800X HD wasn't supposed to be "800" has some credit... 

[Martin72]

It would have been more "correct" to call the 800X HD 1000X HD, because the current 1000 series are small 7" scopes.
But they couldn't use 2000X HD for the cheaper 10" 12 bit model because that already exists.
So 1000X HD.
And then they must have come up with the idea of making another 12-bit scope with a 7" display...

[tszaboo]

I've never seen a EE say, they prefer not having a LA on a scope. Other disciplines, yes.

In the 80s/90s we (company i´m working for) used dozens of logic ICs in our circuits, so a logic analyzer made sense.
Today it´s all integrated in a PLD or FPGA.

Right, and most designs that I'm working on has ADCs/DACs on it, that need to be verified/debugged. Some of them has more than 10 inputs, and built in excitation current sources, and SPI interface, 100 page long datasheet. How do you verify that without a LA? Different people work on different projects, maybe we shouldn't be narrow minded that everyone has the same needs?
And I give you a very good reason why a built in basic AWG is useful on a professional environment: It's one less instrument that need to be sent out for calibration. If I have a the need for a basic AWG, like the SDS1000, I would spend it's price on calibration basically every year.

[Martin72]

We don't calibrate our generators, we stopped doing that at some point.
We check this with our calibrated scopes every time a generator is involved in a measurement.

[tv84]

After a second look at the 1000X HD app, these Product Types are explicitly referenced inside:

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03 - SDS2000HSR       <- 5000X
08 - SDS2000X_PLUS
10 - Zodiac
13 - EVA              <- 1000X HD
14 - ZodiacPlus       <- 6000X
15 - ATOM             <- 2000X HD
17 - LP (Low Profile) <- 6000L
18 - NeZha            <- 7000A
19 - SDS3000X HD
Can't see nothing explicit for 800X HD...

[tautech]

After a second look at the 1000X HD app, these Product Types are explicitly referenced inside:

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03 - SDS2000HSR       <- 5000X
08 - SDS2000X_PLUS
10 - Zodiac
13 - EVA              <- 1000X HD
14 - ZodiacPlus       <- 6000X
15 - ATOM             <- 2000X HD
17 - LP (Low Profile) <- 6000L
18 - NeZha            <- 7000A
19 - SDS3000X HD
Can't see nothing explicit for 800X HD...

EVA Minor ? 

[tv84]

EVA Minor ? 

Eva...

Wally...

[thm_w]

But in Taobao/Tmall there need be careful...  If I am now in China it is easy to contact seller and ask what is real truth... and as we know... inside China if you buy from these places... if not like what you get... just return and get money back. There customer protection works really well if look even bit something background about seller before click and pay. 

Yeah, but I think these prices are real (the ones in the photos) not the different models for the same price. Obviously that part makes no sense, and the seller doesn't understand how to setup the pricing or doesn't care. So don't buy blindly or you'll end up with a 2CH model. https://www.taobao.com/list/item/714215504152.htm

SDS1072X HD (2CH 2G) is 4122 yuan ($582) and the SDS1074X HD is 6580 yuan ($930) as mentioned above. Introductory pricing, then the price will go up ~$100 or so, supposedly.

If they can do <$1,100 for the SDS1074XHD in western market its a solid price point.


You can see the reviews some have recently purchased the 2G model in November, quotes from them:

"The 10.1-inch large touch screen, combined with mouse control, is easy to operate. I basically mastered it after using it for one night. 12bit vertical resolution with high precision. The machine is high-end and elegant."
"The screen is clear and bright, easy on the eyes, and the noise is low. Overall, I am very satisfied with the use. I am getting familiar with many functions, and it is simple to use."
"Beautiful, at this price, very good. The disadvantage is that the UI is a bit laggy. There's nothing wrong with it considering the price."

[tautech]

If they can do <$1,100 for the SDS1074XHD in western market its a solid price point.

My English datasheet shows only 100 & 200 MHz models coming to the west. 

[thm_w]

I can see a lot of grey market purchasing happening to save that ~$350 difference between models.

[tautech]

I can see a lot of grey market purchasing happening to save that ~$350 difference between models.

Only if China sellers are prepared to risk their relationship with Siglent.
Some are China only models.

[Bad_Driver]

This topic is called „Siglent SDS 1000X HD coming“.
Now it‘s the week before Xmas and no SDS1kx HD was seen in Europe. Any news regarding availability?
The Rigol promo is still valid….. but all my gear is from Siglent.

https://www.rigol.eu/NEWS/news/58.html

Merry Christmas to all of you and a Happy New Year!

[Antonio90]

AFAIK, the SDS1000X HD won't come before the Rigol promo ends.
We don't know pricing, but if the SDS2000X+ chinese prices are a good indicator, we could expect a western price of around 900+VAT for the 4-channel 100 MHz model.
The pricing changed recently in china I think, and the 70 and 100 MHz models are now closer in price.
In any case, even though it is generally accepted that either the 800HD or the 1000HD (or both) will come on Q1 2024, there is no official announcement nor proof about this.

Merry Christmas to you too!