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Wuerstchenhund:

--- Quote from: rf-loop on May 16, 2013, 02:08:15 pm ---You can try, select cursors. Select example cursor A for adjust with adjust knob. You see there is now led on top of this knob. Then you want turn OFF displayed OR there is timer what turn menu bar off. But, in bacround it is still active and turn adjust know still you can move selected cursor. If hit any of menu bar buttons, menu bar coma agen to displau and it ius just this menu bar what is active n bacround. I personally feel it is nice feature more than bug.  Also same for display menu.
Activate it. Turn menubar timer to 2s. Then select example brightness or in other some menu some other adjustment. But fast menubar disappear, still your control is active.
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Well, I found out now that the soft keys indeed remain active even if the menu is switched off, which is poor UI design.

As to the cursors, the correct behaviour would be that when you switch off the menu, that either the cursor stops or (probably the better solution) that another indicator comes up showing that the rotary knob still controls cursor A.


--- Quote ---Of course if this is car, train, aeroplane... it need really be different for safety reasons but here..in oscilloscope, nothing bad happend if you push any these menu bar buttons... only it may step to next available setting behind this button in order and if there is three possible setting... example in trgger it just jog up, down both edge every time you push it...  and menu bar pop up on screen also for tell what happend...(until it disappear how you have selected) ...  if it was wrong button just push next time it or more until setting is agen what need and then push right button. After people is familiar with it...  I think it more positive than negative feature. It may make oscilloscope using very fast. Ok, there is opposite thinking... in some kind of just very opposite is Owon. Every time you push this, and this and this and that and what ever you do all agen and agen... but you always know. But in long run... it start sometimes feel very "stupid" or frustrating.

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The thing is that this is just bad UI design. It's no problem having a 'short cut' for certain functionalities but it's not ok having soft keys remaining active without the corresponding labelling via the menu. A solution would be to replace the menu items with symbols if the menu is switched off (i.e. a small bar containing symbols for  currently available soft key functions which could take very little space). Then the MENU ON/OFF key behaviour could be modified to toggle between full menu - symbol menu - off.

This is just an example. There are many ways to make the UI better. But ignoring common and well established UI conventions is not earning them any award.

Wuerstchenhund:

--- Quote from: hgg on May 16, 2013, 08:32:52 am ---Wuerstchenhund, you are right.  Exactly!  I totally agree with all the above!

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I have put together two examples of how the screen with all measurements active could look like.

In the examples below, the measurements are located on the bottom of the screen instead of hovering over the waveform. This reduces the vertical waveform area slightly but in my opinion is better than having the measurement data block covering a large part of the waveform.

I have also moved the frequency counter display outside the waveform area (there's enough space for it anyways), and the trigger level readout is now located close to the trigger indicator on the top. I also added a sampling rate indication, which is what I miss a lot on the screen.

The difference is in the location of the lower status bar.

As comparison, the third image shows the current design.

hgg:
Way better!

rf-loop:

--- Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on May 16, 2013, 05:24:07 pm ---
The thing is that this is just bad UI design. It's no problem having a 'short cut' for certain functionalities but it's not ok having soft keys remaining active without the corresponding labelling via the menu. A solution would be to replace the menu items with symbols if the menu is switched off (i.e. a small bar containing symbols for  currently available soft key functions which could take very little space). Then the MENU ON/OFF key behaviour could be modified to toggle between full menu - symbol menu - off.

This is just an example. There are many ways to make the UI better. But ignoring common and well established UI conventions is not earning them any award.

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Yes. But IF make changes, it really need carefully think how it is wise and think it from many different "angles".

many times I have told that manufacturer NEED arrange useability test group who look also things in some time points when design is going forward... and then in protrotype / final tst phase specially. AND these peoples need be totally from outside ot least totally different peoples that designers and programmers.  Also they need be well experienced with lot of real lab and working experience with equipments in real use.  But there need also be some entry level peoples becouse sometimes they find some things just becouse they do NOT have experience. ;) So it need mixed group. THis is not long time and expensive.. but it need do, if want be good and if want also grow to better.

rf-loop:

--- Quote from: Wuerstchenhund on May 16, 2013, 05:31:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: hgg on May 16, 2013, 08:32:52 am ---Wuerstchenhund, you are right.  Exactly!  I totally agree with all the above!

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I have put together two examples of how the screen with all measurements active could look like.

In the examples below, the measurements are located on the bottom of the screen instead of hovering over the waveform. This reduces the vertical waveform area slightly but in my opinion is better than having the measurement data block covering a large part of the waveform.

I have also moved the frequency counter display outside the waveform area (there's enough space for it anyways), and the trigger level readout is now located close to the trigger indicator on the top. I also added a sampling rate indication, which is what I miss a lot on the screen.

The difference is in the location of the lower status bar.

As comparison, the third image shows the current design.

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Yes, this kind of things there is lot of what can easy do better.
Specially this mesurment window (all or time/voltage group)
I can not understand why it middle of screen.


I think and also believe that Siglent also listen customers.  I have seen some changes what are clearly collected from customers opinions. And I believe they want do more. But these need do carefully for avoid "hantek effect".

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