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SIGLENT SDS1102X-C, supported languages issue
tautech:
--- Quote from: alexkg on January 15, 2023, 07:01:17 am ---
--- Quote from: rf-loop on January 12, 2023, 11:12:22 am ---The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet.
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I want to ask you to bring this data here, the difference in technical characteristics. Unfortunately, I did not find a difference in technical characteristics between the X-E and X-C versions. Externally, the devices are one to one, the difference is only in the name of the models :) we will be grateful if you share the information that you found, where it is said that the model for the domestic market is slower than the one that is exported.
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In WFPS which is an indication of system speed.
Sequence mode (fastest)
SDS1202X-C = 200k
SDS1202X-E = 400k
https://www.siglent.com/upload_file/document/SDS1000X-C_DataSheet_DS0101E-C04A.pdf
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDS1000X-E_DataSheet_EN04D.pdf
We also see the 400k spec in 4ch models, SDS11/1204X-E and SDS1104X-U.
There are always small differences between China only and western market models.
China sellers that export China only models are asking for big trouble if Siglent finds which of them sold it.
rf-loop:
--- Quote from: alexkg on January 15, 2023, 07:01:17 am ---
--- Quote from: rf-loop on January 12, 2023, 11:12:22 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on January 12, 2023, 10:39:34 am ---
--- Quote from: Othman on January 12, 2023, 09:05:38 am ---dear alexkg have you managed to transform your scope? may i can ask you to share here the Acquisition mode menu of your scope, this is a submenu of the acquire menu. i think my scope miss the High Resolution option, can you confirm that with your scope!
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Correct.
To be equivalent to SDS1202X-E it needs the ERES menu.
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Yeah.
The SDS1202X-C is not the Chinese version of the SDS1202X-E, not at all even it looks outside like it.
It's a bit different. It is also an "web shops only" model series and only for the Chinese domestic market. That model is also clearly slower than the X-E series what is also told in data sheet. Well, when you stretch a penny, you get a stretched penny.
Same for all these models:
SDS1104X-C 100 MHz
SDS1204X-C 200MHz
SDS1102X-C 100 MHz
SDS1202X-C 200MHz
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I want to ask you to bring this data here, the difference in technical characteristics. Unfortunately, I did not find a difference in technical characteristics between the X-E and X-C versions. Externally, the devices are one to one, the difference is only in the name of the models :) we will be grateful if you share the information that you found, where it is said that the model for the domestic market is slower than the one that is exported.
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It is not so that same model in China domestic market and Exported officially is different. Example SDS1104X-E in China domestic market area is perfectly same as SDS1104X-E Exported officially (only different is example power cord depending target area etc but oscilloscope itself is just same.
Do you have any idea why they then manufacture SDS1104X-C model if itv is perfectly same. Do you may be think they are idiots. Only for different model sticker.
This whole X-C serie IS different even when it use same exterior. Also, it is made only for China domestic area web shops and NOT officially available for Export. Siglent official web side do not even give domestic CNY price for these inside China web shop models but all normal models have there MSRP and currency CNY for China domestic markets. But special "el cheapo" web shop models have not.
One example is analog front end what is different. Look three voltage bands change level.
C 500μV ~ 150mV: ±2V, E 500μV ~ 118mV: ±2V
C 152mV ~ 1.5V: ±20V, E 120mV ~ 1.18V: ±20V
C 1.52V ~ 10V: ±200V, E 1.2V ~ 10V: ±200V
This mean there is some real reason for this difference even when difference is not so big in these values.
Also wfm/s speed is different
Normal acquisition C model up to 50kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 200kwfm/s
Normal acquisition E model up to 100kwfm/s, Sequence acquisition up to 400kwfm/s
AC low freq. -3dB C model 10Hz E model 2Hz
DC offset accuracy is better in E model when ≥2mV/div
In 2 channel models C and E series Ext trigger some differences (freq limits)
Also I can not find Gated measurements when I look C models data sheet or user manual.
Then I can notfind Counter, sample logger and data logger function in 4 channel C model but in 4 channel E model there sure is. Also not NTP function.
tautech:
Yes but we are talking about 2ch C model not 4ch.
There is already enough confusion with Siglent's alphabet soup of models even in the X-E range and the inconsistency of feature set in this model range/series.
Just compare SDS1202X-E with SDS11/1204X-E then drop in SDS2000X-E....it's a mess whereas they scream for some consistency of features. :scared:
They each have their place but it could be so much better.
****X-C models are just what they are, designed and built to a specific price point.
rf-loop:
--- Quote from: tautech on January 15, 2023, 09:40:08 am ---Yes but we are talking about 2ch C model not 4ch.
There is already enough confusion with Siglent's alphabet soup of models even in the X-E range and the inconsistency of feature set in this model range/series.
Just compare SDS1202X-E with SDS11/1204X-E then drop in SDS2000X-E....it's a mess whereas they scream for some consistency of features. :scared:
They each have their place but it could be so much better.
****X-C models are just what they are, designed and built to a specific price point.
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Why I include both, 2 and 4 channel models.
Because SDS1000X-C whole serie is elcheapo versions from whole SDS1000X-E series including 2 channels and 4 channel models.
And differences are in both, 2 and 4 channel models. Then, as we know, inside E series between 2 and 4 channels are many differences and inside E series between 2 and 4 channels are many differences.
2ch C is different from 2ch E
4ch C is different from 4ch E (and in my previous message I noted also these differences in 4 channel versions group.)
This was for argumenting that whole C series is different (of course I see that in this particular case talking was just about 2ch model), not only 2 channel versions. And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any warranty or other product support for these models and must not be, except some kind individual citizen people may help.
tautech:
--- Quote from: rf-loop on January 15, 2023, 10:07:40 am ---And all C versions are _only_ for China markets, not for Export. Lets hope Siglent do what they need do before whole mess. Also there is not Stretch penny and you get stretched penny. Outside China here is not any support for these models and must not be.
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100%
Further, Siglent penalties to China exporters are severe as we discovered when reporting a SDS2074X Plus exported to NZ.
Which is very reassuring that Siglent want to protect their worldwide distribution network from their China sellers export of China only models.
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