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Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Micsig STO1004 Plus
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balnazzar:
Hi Folks. First time I post here on EEVblog forum.

I'm a beginner. A few weeks ago I bought a Hantek DSO2D15, and I'm not satisfied with it. Very limited signal generator, some bugs, and crappy software, so I'll return it.

I made peace with the fact that one cannot have a good scope with integrated signal generator for cheapo, so, as of today, I narrowed my choices to the models above.

I'm not considering the Siglent U-type since it has too many limitations for just 120 less (less effective FFT, no bode plots, no web browser control, no possibility to unlock it to get WiFi, only 1 mem module, limited 4-ch bandwidth).

The Micsig seems to be a good scope (twice the memory depth of the siglent), integrated wifi, ability to run on battery (a very nice thing to have). OTOH, these fiddly joistick controls that IDK how much will last, a very reflective screen (but you can use it with a computer monitor at home). If you can mention other negatives, please do.

OR, I can open the wallet and go for the rigol MSO5000 (the black series). But I don't know if it's worth the money.

What do you think?
Fungus:
Micsigs come with matte screen protectors that really work well. I hate shiny screens but I'm completely happy with my Micsig. The trick to putting on big screen protectors is to put masking tape under the corners so you can lift up up and put it back again without picking at it with your fingernails. Got a grain of dust? Lift it up and grab it with another bit of masking tape. Repeat as many times as needed. Remove the tape from the corners when it's perfect. Never pick at the corners with your fingernails.

There's no reason the joysticks will break if you use them nicely but Micsigs can be used without any buttons at all, no problem. The buttons are just a convenience.

The only real negative of the Micsig is that it doesn't have much in the way of advanced functions. It's basic,  but a joy to use because of the touch screen. Everything is very fast and well thought out. If you're planning on doing bode plots though? It's not for you.

The MSO5000 has been argued to death in other threads. The main problem is it's a bit noisy. Whether this affects you depends 100% on what you're going to use it for, if you're looking at signals than can fill the screen vertically then it's not really a problem. It's a killer 'scope in that price range, the only alternative is to spend move money.
tautech:

--- Quote from: balnazzar on August 28, 2022, 12:18:15 am ---Hi Folks. First time I post here on EEVblog forum.

I'm a beginner............

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Welcome to the forum.

Yet your assessment of another product demonstrates you have some understanding of what you're looking for.
SDS1104X-E can do a lot and in such a small form factor has a lot of capability which makes it a great choice to grow into if you can manage the outlay. However for Bode plot you will need a signal source and any of the standalone Siglent AWG's with easily pair with the X-E for the X-E Bode plot to take charge of it.
This add a significant cost as a popular pairing is SDG1032X however they add another $ 360 to setup costs whereas the SAG1021I AWG module for $ 165 and FG licensing at $ 115 further lowers the Bode plot entry cost.

Even this is a significant outlay for the average beginner without looking at next level models like SDS2104X Plus with their inbuilt 50 MHz AWG and at $ 1400 is more than the hobbyist wants to invest unless they say to themselves buy right, buy once.
You'd be a very busy boy to ever outgrow it.  ;)
balnazzar:

--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2022, 08:14:25 am ---is to put masking tape under the corners so you can

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As simple as it is, I never thought of it. Thanks, that will come useful many times in the future :)


--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2022, 08:14:25 am ---The only real negative of the Micsig is that it doesn't have much in the way of advanced functions. It's basic,  but a joy to use because of the touch screen. Everything is very fast and well thought out. If you're planning on doing bode plots though? It's not for you.

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The absence of bode plots could be addressed by acquiring the signals on the PC, I think.. Any other negatives that come to your mind?


--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2022, 08:14:25 am ---The MSO5000 has been argued to death in other threads. The main problem is it's a bit noisy. Whether this affects you depends 100% on what you're going to use it for, if you're looking at signals than can fill the screen vertically then it's not really a problem. It's a killer 'scope in that price range, the only alternative is to spend move money.

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The dream would be its Siglent counterpart. But I can't really justify spending 1500 euros over a scope.
I'm torn. Consider that as of today, the MSO5000 comes with all the additions & perks for free, whereas if I buy the Micsig I have to allocate additional 200 eur (minimum) for a decent signal generator. This will raise the price of the whole package (micsig + gen) to 830 eur. The MSO5000 costs 950, all the stuff included.
balnazzar:

--- Quote from: tautech on August 28, 2022, 09:03:23 am ---This add a significant cost as a popular pairing is SDG1032X however they add another $ 360 to setup costs whereas the SAG1021I AWG module for $ 165 and FG licensing at $ 115 further lowers the Bode plot entry cost.

Even this is a significant outlay for the average beginner without looking at next level models like SDS2104X Plus with their inbuilt 50 MHz AWG and at $ 1400 is more than the hobbyist wants to invest unless they say to themselves buy right, buy once.
You'd be a very busy boy to ever outgrow it.  ;)

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If I may, this is the problem with Siglent. They make well-thought products, IMHO better than their Rigol counterparts. But then, they cost 50% more on average. At these price points, one starts to consider western alternatives.
Please press Eric (Siglent CEO) to lower the price of their SDS2104X Plus to 1 grand, all included!  ;D
In that convenient way, they'll prevent our wallets from being demolished AND they'll vanquish the competition.

P.S.: I know Siglent scopes a bit. There are a lot of SDS5054X scopes at the university, and I used them during two courses.
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