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| Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Rigol DS1054Z Advice? |
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| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 28, 2018, 02:03:44 pm ---It's funny, because I actually quite like the design of the DS1054Z and loathe that of the Siglent. The oval channel selection buttons drive me nuts. It's completely out of tune with the rest of the design. Admittedly, Rigol jumped the shark on some of the newer designs that followed the same basic idea of the DS1054Z. Regardless, there's no accounting for taste. There's plenty of professionally designed junk around to prove that once and for all. --- End quote --- Absolutely, everybody has their own taste. I agree, the ovals are a little weird. But compare the X/Y control layouts. Siglent has obvious boxes with grey backgrounds, clearly outlining each section. Rigol uses awkward, asymmetrical lines that make no sense at all, and aren't clearly visible. Obviously I don't think the Siglent is perfect since I want to make my own version of the overlay, but I don't hate it. I could live with it. The Rigol looks stupid to me. This is all superficial, but it's something these companies should pay attention to. R&S seems to get this right. The RTB2004, for example, is a great looking scope. |
| JS:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 28, 2018, 01:31:08 pm --- --- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 12:56:42 pm ---Obviously not. No company leaks information like that. --- End quote --- So you're speculating? --- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 12:56:42 pm --- --- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 28, 2018, 12:42:53 pm ---Hopefully they have a new design for the front panel too. I hate the arbitrary, asymmetrical goofy outlines. Looks better than Instek, but that's a low bar. --- End quote --- Meh. You probably wouldn't notice it after a day of use. --- End quote --- I had the DS1054Z for 3 weeks. I noticed it every single time I looked at it. I hated the design. It annoys me. My primary job is web/graphic design; I can't help but notice that stuff. It drives me batty when designs are that bad. The Instek also seems like a better choice than the 1054Z, but I simply won't put it on my bench because I can't look at it. --- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 12:56:42 pm ---The situation should flip around now the respective new models have been launched. Let's see if Rigol startes dropping some hints a few weeks from now. (to make anybody who's thinking of going from DS1000Z to SDS1000X-E wait a while before deciding :popcorn: ) --- End quote --- Given the business model (from most of these companies) of releasing the scopes and letting the customers do the debugging, I think I'll pass. It'll be a minimum of a year before any new scopes are reliable at all. :popcorn: --- End quote --- I also think Rigol does have something new comming up, such company might started working in a new asic few years ago, knowing the ds1000z would need replacement at some point, now there are a few clues pointing the release date is close. Other than the x-e competiton, might be an extra reason for them to drop the prize and release options for free, they mastered the market, the options alone already bring it pretty close to the siglent and the price was already differentiating at about $100 or 25%. Quite a few years have passed for them to be in time to release a new one and as said, the market is getting more competitive so they're likely to lunch as soon as it feels ready. I don't mind the looks, what really bothers me is the two blue channels, like there were not other colors around... About the debugging, I'd expect any new gear to have some problems, the important fact is what they do with them. Rigol has prooven to be very proactive solving the issues, upgrading firmware and tweaking stuff. Waiting a year might be good if you don't want to find yourself in that trend, but a shorter period should be enough so any major HW problems are solved so you don't get in a callback or have a defective unit with lower specs than intended. JS |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2018, 02:12:26 pm ---I don't get why design is so important. As long as the user interface is not cluttered and easy to use all is well. IMHO it is way more important a tool does a good job. --- End quote --- To each their own. I'm a designer by trade, I can't look at bad designs without it bothering me. You're right that the tool needs to do a good job as the highest priority. That doesn't mean there aren't other things to consider. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: JS on August 28, 2018, 02:16:06 pm ---I also think Rigol does have something new comming up, such company might started working in a new asic few years ago, knowing the ds1000z would need replacement at some point, now there are a few clues pointing the release date is close. Other than the x-e competiton, might be an extra reason for them to drop the prize and release options for free, they mastered the market, the options alone already bring it pretty close to the siglent and the price was already differentiating at about $100 or 25%. Quite a few years have passed for them to be in time to release a new one and as said, the market is getting more competitive so they're likely to lunch as soon as it feels ready. I don't mind the looks, what really bothers me is the two blue channels, like there were not other colors around... About the debugging, I'd expect any new gear to have some problems, the important fact is what they do with them. Rigol has prooven to be very proactive solving the issues, upgrading firmware and tweaking stuff. Waiting a year might be good if you don't want to find yourself in that trend, but a shorter period should be enough so any major HW problems are solved so you don't get in a callback or have a defective unit with lower specs than intended. JS --- End quote --- I'm not disagreeing that it's likely they'll release something soon, but it's still speculation at this point. I would hope they do. lol, maybe they just love blue. The next model will feature 4 shades of blue. ;) I have no interest in being part of their debugging process unless I'm being compensated for it. It's as simple as that. If they gave me a unit for free, then I'd use it and be part of that process. There's no way on Earth I would pay them to do their debugging work for them. Not gonna happen. |
| Fungus:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 28, 2018, 02:03:44 pm ---It's funny, because I actually quite like the design of the DS1054Z and loathe that of the Siglent. The oval channel selection buttons drive me nuts. It's completely out of tune with the rest of the design. --- End quote --- The new Rigol 7000 has probably gone too far with its blue backlights and stuff but the DS1054Z seems about right to me. Test gear isn't supposed to be a fashion statement. The Instek is fugly, yes. The Siglent is no beauty. It has the same oversized dark screen bezel as the Instek (trying to make the screen look bigger than it is?). The grey panels on the front are horrible, IMHO - something about the title bars being the wrong color and not quite tall enough for the title text. Black text on grey backgrounds is a big eww to me. Pointlessly colored buttons that seem like they belong to one of the channels (ie. 'print' and 'default')? Who chose those? Do they have any idea what "color coding" is? Whatever the reasons are for choosing Siglent over Rigol I wouldn't say "looks" are one of them. |
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