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Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Rigol DS1054Z Advice?
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Fungus:

--- Quote from: JS on August 28, 2018, 02:16:06 pm ---I also think Rigol does have something new comming up, such company might started working in a new asic few years ago, knowing the ds1000z would need replacement at some point

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There's no way they would design that ASIC without planning for a low-end version, not after the success of the DS1054Z (which must have made them a lot of money - they basically created a whole new market with it).
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 02:29:19 pm ---The Siglent is no beauty. It has the same oversized dark screen bezel as the Instek (trying to make the screen look bigger than it is?). The grey panels on the front are horrible, IMHO - something about the title bars being the wrong color and not quite tall enough for the title text.

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To each their own regarding aesthetic, but that bezel statement simply isn't true. The bezels between the GDS-1004B and the SDS1004X-E series are nothing alike. The size, layout, and proportion of the Instek actually make the screen look much smaller by comparison even though they're all the same viewable size screen. The Siglent's black bezel covers the non-viewable area where the Instek doesn't cover any of the non-viewable area. The Instek implies a larger viewable area than it has; the bezel on the Siglent assures it isn't implying anything.
JS:

--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 02:32:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: JS on August 28, 2018, 02:16:06 pm ---I also think Rigol does have something new comming up, such company might started working in a new asic few years ago, knowing the ds1000z would need replacement at some point

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There's no way they would design that ASIC without planning for a low-end version, not after the success of the DS1054Z (which must have made them a lot of money - they basically created a whole new market with it).

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I think you are saying nthe same thing I do... I think they will aim to be the mkst prize competitive option in the market, as they did at the point, with a full featured scope for cheap, with all the extra features the 1000z is missing but likely cheat in the non paper specs, as noise, as theh did at the time.

JS

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 28, 2018, 02:14:15 pm ---Absolutely, everybody has their own taste. I agree, the ovals are a little weird.

But compare the X/Y control layouts. Siglent has obvious boxes with grey backgrounds, clearly outlining each section. Rigol uses awkward, asymmetrical lines that make no sense at all, and aren't clearly visible.

Obviously I don't think the Siglent is perfect since I want to make my own version of the overlay, but I don't hate it. I could live with it. The Rigol looks stupid to me.

This is all superficial, but it's something these companies should pay attention to. R&S seems to get this right. The RTB2004, for example, is a great looking scope.

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I must admit I'm quite partial to the angular design of the DS1054Z. It's a little less boring than just the same plain boxes and in this case it seems to work quite well without any excessively strange parts that plague similar designs of the same manufacturer. That being said, the DS1054Z isn't know for its sophisticated UX. It's a bottom of the barrel bang for buck device and rough edges are to be expected. Siglent doesn't seem to be much different, generally speaking.

From the perspective of of the commercial side of it I think the design of the DS1054Z been a raving success. When the DS1054Z was introduced Rigol was gaining more fame quickly but not quite as well known as they are today. The distinct look has massively contributed to the succes of this model and the wider brand. It has given Rigol a face and is instantly recognizable, which is invaluable when you're trying to build a brand.

I agree the new R&S scopes are very nicely designed. Their other designs tended to be very well laid out but excessively boring boxes, but the new oscilloscopes have a lot of aesthetic appeal.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 28, 2018, 03:16:33 pm ---From the perspective of of the commercial side of it I think the design of the DS1054Z been a raving success. When the DS1054Z was introduced Rigol was gaining more fame quickly but not quite as well known as they are today. The distinct look has massively contributed to the succes of this model and the wider brand. It has given Rigol a face and is instantly recognizable, which is invaluable when you're trying to build a brand.

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I think it had little to do with the design, and everything to do with the complete lack of competition in a market they basically invented. No doubt about it, they're perty smart.
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