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Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Rigol DS1054Z Advice?
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Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 28, 2018, 03:38:30 pm ---I think it had little to do with the design, and everything to do with the complete lack of competition in a market they basically invented. No doubt about it, they're perty smart.

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I think both play a major role in the success. I don't think it would have been the icon it's now if it would have been generically mundane or butt ugly to most.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Fungus on August 28, 2018, 08:58:58 am ---Rigol will soon have their new ASIC in a low-end model, so... meh.

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:bullshit:
Using off-the-shelve parts will be cheaper in a low end oscilloscope so no way Rigol will go this route. I don't think Rigol will come up with a replacement for the DS1000Z any time soon. It still flies off the shelves so why would they?


--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on August 28, 2018, 03:16:33 pm ---From the perspective of of the commercial side of it I think the design of the DS1054Z been a raving success. When the DS1054Z was introduced Rigol was gaining more fame quickly but not quite as well known as they are today. The distinct look has massively contributed to the succes of this model and the wider brand. It has given Rigol a face and is instantly recognizable, which is invaluable when you're trying to build a brand.

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I think you have a point here. Rigol's front panel design does set them apart.


--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 28, 2018, 03:38:30 pm ---I think it had little to do with the design, and everything to do with the complete lack of competition in a market they basically invented. No doubt about it, they're perty smart.

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Rigol didn't invent the low end market! There have been cheap oscilloscopes for decades.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 28, 2018, 03:44:31 pm ---Rigol didn't invent the low end market! There have been cheap oscilloscopes for decades.

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Seriously? I'm not talking about the garbage low-end market. I'm talking about the quality, entry-level scope market. There was nothing of that level of quality, in that price range before. Period. Hell, if you're going back decades, you can barely even compare the high-end scopes from 10 or 20 years ago against it, even with the 1054Z's faults. I tried. I looked at high-end scopes on the used markets, and most were still more expensive used, and pathetic on paper by comparison. Hell, I found a FRONT PANEL for one lame-by-comparison scope for more $$$ than the Rigol.

I'm not specifically a fan of either brand, nor do I have reason for bias, like some of our friends here. :box: I don't care at all about the relatively small price difference, so for me the Siglent wins this round (for now - we'll see how I feel when I have the new scope in hand). A year or two from now, once their next-gen scope is stable, Rigol will possibly win the next round (again). That's how honest competition works.
Old Printer:
I am just getting into tube amps, so I can work on my old Fender guitar amps. I have not been at this long enough to speak from experience, but i have read a lot and the consensus seems to be that a basic low BW analog scope is the tool for the job. I can see wanting a digital scope, I am going to get one myself, but I bought a couple old Teks first. I am interested to find out if an analog scope shows a better picture of tube amp signals, or whether a basic one is just adequate and cheaper. For now my AD2 gets me by on the digital front while I watch the 4 channel digital market grow.
Has anyone seen a compsarison of the Siglent & Rigol vs the GDS-1054B?  I really like the 4 individual channel knobs and I would really like HDMI or VGA output but that gets into another price bracket.
KungFuJosh:

--- Quote from: Old Printer on August 28, 2018, 04:48:05 pm ---I am just getting into tube amps, so I can work on my old Fender guitar amps. I have not been at this long enough to speak from experience, but i have read a lot and the consensus seems to be that a basic low BW analog scope is the tool for the job. I can see wanting a digital scope, I am going to get one myself, but I bought a couple old Teks first. I am interested to find out if an analog scope shows a better picture of tube amp signals, or whether a basic one is just adequate and cheaper.

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Adequate and cheaper is the answer. You can do most stuff for a tube guitar amp on a $100 used scope...assuming it's calibrated and fully operational.

I'm a doofus and like fancier things, that's why I'm looking at the DSOs...that and the other electronics stuff I'll potentially use it for.
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