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| tautech:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 20, 2018, 09:32:44 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on August 19, 2018, 08:38:24 pm ---Tease if you must but it appears you haven't done as much research as you could have. In this thread are the comparison between probes: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1104x-e-in-depth-review/msg1434665/#msg1434665 If you really want to get a handle on these 4ch X-E's start studying that thread in full and you'll likely end up in this tread where additional specs and capabilities are explored where you can see why the additional cost of SDS1104X-E can return a DSO that will better meet the needs of a user as their experience grows. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds1204x-e-released-for-domestic-markets-in-china/ We do this stuff as many don't seem to be able to get to grips with datasheets and understand the advanced capabilities the 4ch X-E's offer to the entry level marketplace. I won't go on as everything you need to know is in the 2 threads linked above. --- End quote --- That thread doesn't compare the Rigol probes to the Siglent probes. It's nice that the Siglent probes perform well compared to others, but it doesn't tell me anything about what I asked. --- End quote --- OK, sorry I've led you off on a tangent. WRT the probes for each, some have had bad experiences with the grabbers not staying on and I have too with Siglent ones but it's more likely user error from not pressing them home properly so they won't fall off. Anyways, probes need be considered as consumables and should not be a major factor in deciding which scope to buy, at least in this price bracket. Most likely entry level probes are sourced from the same 3rd party supplier for both Rigol and Siglent. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: tautech on August 20, 2018, 10:32:26 pm ---Anyways, probes need be considered as consumables and should not be a major factor in deciding which scope to buy, at least in this price bracket. Most likely entry level probes are sourced from the same 3rd party supplier for both Rigol and Siglent. --- End quote --- Thanks, that's good advice, I hadn't thought of it that way. Is there a particular probe model you like? Thanks, Josh |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 20, 2018, 10:35:53 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on August 20, 2018, 10:32:26 pm ---Anyways, probes need be considered as consumables and should not be a major factor in deciding which scope to buy, at least in this price bracket. Most likely entry level probes are sourced from the same 3rd party supplier for both Rigol and Siglent. --- End quote --- Thanks, that's good advice, I hadn't thought of it that way. Is there a particular probe model you like? Thanks, Josh --- End quote --- In this price bracket and relatively low BW they're all much of a muchness but each are selected as best for a particular model DSO. The post I linked before demonstrates this. Most like fixed attenuation probes, they can be smaller and more pleasant to use but again there can be issues with insufficient sensitivity using only 10x probes and also accuracy if the lowest input attenuation settings of a DSO are just a magnification of some higher vertical input setting. For what most do with a scope anything reasonable can be fine, even the amazingly cheap P6100's from eBay. |
| Fungus:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 20, 2018, 10:19:59 pm ---I thought I'd be able to find unbiased, experienced, and useful opinions here --- End quote --- Nope. Mostly religion and Siglent dealers posting here. For about three years the Rigol was way out on it's own in terms of bang/buck. Now the Siglent has arrived, Rigol finally has a competitor but it's also about 40% more money. The price difference tells you everything you really need to know. Me? I say two things: a) Four channels good, two channels bad. b) The difference between owning an oscilloscope/not owning an oscilloscope is like night and day. The difference between Rigol and Siglent? Nowhere near as much. Sure, the Siglent is nicer, but for for the same price you can have a Rigol plus a decent soldering iron or power supply and a couple of ANENG multimeters. If you're just starting out then that seems a better deal, a decent soldering iron or power supply will make a much bigger difference to your life than owning a Siglent will. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: Fungus on August 21, 2018, 08:35:29 am --- --- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 20, 2018, 10:19:59 pm ---I thought I'd be able to find unbiased, experienced, and useful opinions here --- End quote --- Nope. Mostly religion and Siglent dealers posting here. For about three years the Rigol was way out on it's own in terms of bang/buck. Now the Siglent has arrived, Rigol finally has a competitor but it's also about 40% more money. The price difference tells you everything you really need to know. Me? I say two things: a) Four channels good, two channels bad. b) The difference between owning an oscilloscope/not owning an oscilloscope is like night and day. The difference between Rigol and Siglent? Nowhere near as much. Sure, the Siglent is nicer, but for for the same price you can have a Rigol plus a decent soldering iron or power supply and a couple of ANENG multimeters. If you're just starting out then that seems a better deal, a decent soldering iron or power supply will make a much bigger difference to your life than owning a Siglent will. --- End quote --- Can we talk about politics too? ;) I'm not starting out, I've had a bench setup for a couple decades, but put off buying a scope because I didn't need one right away and then didn't know what to get, and didn't want an old school scope (which is all I really need, but I like newer tech). These days I have an Aoyue 2703A+ iron, and it's great. Toroid ISB-060W isolation transformer, a Tekpower TP3005P power supply, and lots of other little test equipment for my needs. So it really comes down to what scope will suit me without being wasteful. I recently bought the DS1054Z and a Tenma 72-505 audio generator (the Tenma is great, and all I need for guitar amp testing). My question is whether the Siglent will really benefit me enough that I should return the Rigol and pay more for the Siglent. So far the only 2 real world benefits I see for my uses are 1. it looks prettier (I like the simplicity of the layout) and 2. the web interface is cool (even though I probably won't ever use it much if at all). The better multi-channel sampling rate is an obvious plus, but where I'm mostly using 1 channel at a time, I won't normally benefit enough for the investment for that alone. I'm certainly not going to invest in the Siglent add-ons, at that point I'd rather invest in another scope. Thanks, Josh |
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