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| Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Rigol DS1054Z Advice? |
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| Old Printer:
I read a lot about tube amps, I have a Vibrolux Reverb and a Vibro Champ that I bought new in the early 70's and after spending much of their life in the closet they are in need of recapping. Most of the old school amp guys feel a basic analog scope of 20Mhz is all that is needed for valve amp work. I am sure that goes out the window when you switch to solid state and digital effects. I have a couple old Tektronix scopes, but have heard from several places that off-brands like Leader and Iwatsu can be better values. If you have said you already have one of these I missed it. |
| Fungus:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 21, 2018, 11:55:51 am ---I recently bought the DS1054Z and a Tenma 72-505 audio generator (the Tenma is great, and all I need for guitar amp testing). My question is whether the Siglent will really benefit me enough that I should return the Rigol and pay more for the Siglent. So far the only 2 real world benefits I see for my uses are 1. it looks prettier (I like the simplicity of the layout) and 2. the web interface is cool (even though I probably won't ever use much if at all). The better multi-channel sampling rate is an obvious plus, but where I'm mostly using 1 channel at a time, I won't normally benefit enough for the investment for that alone. I'm certainly not going to invest in the Siglent add-ons, at that point I'd rather invest in another scope. --- End quote --- The "better multi-channel sampling rate" won't make any difference at all at guitar amp frequencies. You might be better off with a better FFT than the Rigol's (do you ever do FFTs?) but neither will compete with a Bode Plot done by a simple PC sound card. So, no. Stick with the Rigol if you already have it (IMHO). |
| BillB:
I've got an SDS1104X, fully hacked, and it is a great scope. I've also got the Logic Analyzer even after Tautech tried to talk me out of getting it! (He's not just a Siglent salesman ;) - I think he offers a lot of fair and valuable input) But, frankly, it sounds like overkill for your needs. The $170 difference would only seem to make sense if you were going to seriously explore or expand your use case. I'm not even sure why you would buy a 4 channel scope? |
| SMB784:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 21, 2018, 11:55:51 am --- --- Quote from: Fungus on August 21, 2018, 08:35:29 am --- --- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 20, 2018, 10:19:59 pm ---I thought I'd be able to find unbiased, experienced, and useful opinions here --- End quote --- Nope. Mostly religion and Siglent dealers posting here. For about three years the Rigol was way out on it's own in terms of bang/buck. Now the Siglent has arrived, Rigol finally has a competitor but it's also about 40% more money. The price difference tells you everything you really need to know. Me? I say two things: a) Four channels good, two channels bad. b) The difference between owning an oscilloscope/not owning an oscilloscope is like night and day. The difference between Rigol and Siglent? Nowhere near as much. Sure, the Siglent is nicer, but for for the same price you can have a Rigol plus a decent soldering iron or power supply and a couple of ANENG multimeters. If you're just starting out then that seems a better deal, a decent soldering iron or power supply will make a much bigger difference to your life than owning a Siglent will. --- End quote --- Can we talk about politics too? ;) I'm not starting out, I've had a bench setup for a couple decades, but put off buying a scope because I didn't need one right away and then didn't know what to get, and didn't want an old school scope (which is all I really need, but I like newer tech). These days I have an Aoyue 2703A+ iron, and it's great. Toroid ISB-060W isolation transformer, a Tekpower TP3005P power supply, and lots of other little test equipment for my needs. So it really comes down to what scope will suit me without being wasteful. I recently bought the DS1054Z and a Tenma 72-505 audio generator (the Tenma is great, and all I need for guitar amp testing). My question is whether the Siglent will really benefit me enough that I should return the Rigol and pay more for the Siglent. So far the only 2 real world benefits I see for my uses are 1. it looks prettier (I like the simplicity of the layout) and 2. the web interface is cool (even though I probably won't ever use it much if at all). The better multi-channel sampling rate is an obvious plus, but where I'm mostly using 1 channel at a time, I won't normally benefit enough for the investment for that alone. I'm certainly not going to invest in the Siglent add-ons, at that point I'd rather invest in another scope. Thanks, Josh --- End quote --- I concur with Fungus on this subject, if you're looking for a simply great deal for starting an electronics hobby, go with the Rigol and a bundle of other goodies to get you going. Your money is definitely better spent that way if you are starting out. Having owned both the Rigol DS1054Z and the Siglent SDS1104X-E I can safely say that they are both great scopes and an amazing deal. The Siglent definitely has the edge at the moment when it comes to specs, and in my own opinion the Siglent price/performance is superior to the Rigol. However, for a lower frequency application like audio stuff I would say that the performance is about the same, and the price point definitely makes the Rigol the more compelling option. So, if you are planning to use the scope primarily (and perhaps only) for your stated application, I would say the Rigol is the better option and you probably wont see any added benefit from spending more money. However, if you ever want to do something at higher frequencies, the higher bandwidth ceiling, better sampling per channel, higher WFM updates per second, and better memory per channel will be a tremendous boon to your bench. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: SMB784 on August 21, 2018, 03:28:33 pm ---Having owned both the Rigol DS1054Z and the Siglent SDS1104X-E I can safely say that they are both great scopes and an amazing deal. The Siglent definitely has the edge at the moment when it comes to specs, and in my own opinion the Siglent price/performance is superior to the Rigol. However, for a lower frequency application like audio stuff I would say that the performance is about the same, and the price point definitely makes the Rigol the more compelling option. So, if you are planning to use the scope primarily (and perhaps only) for your stated application, I would say the Rigol is the better option and you probably wont see any added benefit from spending more money. However, if you ever want to do something at higher frequencies, the higher bandwidth ceiling, better sampling per channel, higher WFM updates per second, and better memory per channel will be a tremendous boon to your bench. --- End quote --- Thanks, this is helpful. My interest for this really is limited to guitar amps and music toys. I can't even think of anything I'd be interested in using this for beyond that. For a living I do graphic and web design, with a guitar & amp business on the side. I don't have time to venture into anything else. Maybe I'll eventually read something on this site that will pique my interest into another area and I'll upgrade in the future? Who knows. Thanks, Josh |
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