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Siglent SDS1104X-E vs. Rigol DS1054Z Advice?
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JS:



--- Quote from: tautech on August 24, 2018, 05:20:40 am ---Good you can see the differences and know if they'll matter to you.  :-+

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Yes, I know many people can't get their heads around the scope but I got it quite fast years ago, I was waiting to have my own for long enough, but I've used many at the university, from some old nice tek to some of the cheapest LeCroy out there, seriously crappy, a slug drawing on a big board would beat their response.

Worth to mention I have unlocked the 500uV/div of the Rigol and is only of any use with high averaging, noise chews 2 div in a single capture.

--- Quote ---All visible in datasheets.  ;)

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Yes, rigol doesn't even mention the 500uV/div anywhere, they can't sell that but I don't know why they don't include it already in the free pack, as I said with some long averaging might let you see something you can't otherwise. Anyway is not nice. Down to 2mV/div seems to do a reasonable job, 1mV is pretty noisy already.

--- Quote ---Yeah that was the killer for you.......all up price with freight.
Shame your local Siglent guys weren't a bit more competitive.   :-//

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Locally nothing is competitive, I don't even think in buying here. I did ask official local Siglent distributor but they were going out of business at the time and wouldn't even import it for me. But it would likely be more expensive than the expensive option I already had. Local suppliers usually charge over twice as what you see in most listings in any other country.
Quick look, just shy of $1000 for a... Wait for it... Little longer... Getting there! DS1052E

So, my 1054Z at $350 + $70 shipping + $150 custom fees is quite reasonable, but makes me wanna cry... Everithing is like that here, from this to the noodles, go figure. Oh, without a degree you are lucky to get $700 a month in your check.

I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!

JS

Fungus:

--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 24, 2018, 02:05:21 am ---In all honesty, being the tech/computer type that I am, it bothers me to pay for an old computer.

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Test gear isn't really comparable to PCs in that regard.


--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on August 24, 2018, 02:05:21 am ---From that perspective, and for an extra $140 I get a newer computer with 1M FFT, double the multi-channel sampling, built-in web server, 400VDC input, and the POTENTIAL for other crap I probably won't use. I probably won't ever use the logic input, but it's there. I dunno if I'd ever shell out any cash for their AWG addon, but the option is there.

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It's 40% more expensive, maybe 40% better. If you really can't think of something else for $140 that would ACTUALLY make your life better (ie. today), then, whatever. It's your money.

(Bench power supply, Signal generator, Hakko soldering station, Brymen multimeter...)

PS: As noted earlier: the 400VDC input is a red herring when you use 10x probes and a USB analyzer costs under $10 on eBay (or more than $10 if you want an even better one) - much cheaper than the hundreds of $$ a logic upgrade to an oscilloscope costs.
tautech:

--- Quote from: JS on August 24, 2018, 05:48:22 am ---I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!
JS

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Several but it's very bad form to sell into another authorized distributors patch, period.

However there is a worldwide grey market, (parallel imports) and most of it stems from Hong Kong or China and many brands are affected. When a distributors patch is blatantly undermined by these sellers and the manufacturers make no effort to set robust guidelines or hard and fast rules it's no wonder equipment distributors set higher margins to remain profitable against overseas suppliers.
Good luck should you need warranty or specialized support from the Asian mum and dad backstreet shops, just good luck !
JS:



--- Quote from: tautech on August 24, 2018, 08:16:43 am ---
--- Quote from: JS on August 24, 2018, 05:48:22 am ---I'm after a AWG and a LAB PSU now, and of course considering Siglent, if you know a distributor with reasonable international shipments let me know!
JS

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Several but it's very bad form to sell into another authorized distributors patch, period.

However there is a worldwide grey market, (parallel imports) and most of it stems from Hong Kong or China and many brands are affected. When a distributors patch is blatantly undermined by these sellers and the manufacturers make no effort to set robust guidelines or hard and fast rules it's no wonder equipment distributors set higher margins to remain profitable against overseas suppliers.
Good luck should you need warranty or specialized support from the Asian mum and dad backstreet shops, just good luck !

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I wish I never get there. In this case there is no autorized siglent distributor here anymore, I think still appears in the siglent web but they went out of business months ago. Even if I bought it here good luck to get support from them! Here support sucks in everyway, so I don't really trust local distributors to make any kind of useful support, let alone fast or reasonable, still would likely need to pay a pretty penny for shipment and what not. Then, getting it from overseas I could get two for the price of one locally, if I can get it here, which leaves some margin for the risk to worth it.

The problem here is not high margins but taxes, with 50% import fee, 21% iva (vat?) plus a few smaller extra and taxes applied on taxes, with a reasonable margin the price is still pretty expensive. With all that I've bassically given up designing any product as producing them here even as prototypes would cost that much more than anywhere else, not to mention waiting 2 month for anything from a resistor to a super specialized part, wrong place to be a EE designer I guess, so I settle for mainly industrial work but still need a few tools to debug and fix some gear which would take too long to get replacements for.

JS

tautech:
According to the Siglent 'How to Buy' page you have two Argentina distributors:
http://www.siglent.com/ENs/lxwms.aspx?id=616

Which one is isn't active anymore ?
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