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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #150 on: November 01, 2017, 06:59:04 pm »
Why?
Because I'm curious to see it working ...
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #151 on: November 01, 2017, 07:41:38 pm »
Why?
Because I'm curious to see it working ...
Connectivity and a settings summary is shown in the blank portion on the very top of the display just as it's done with SDS2kX and 1kX+ and the AWG is 'driven' with the option softkeys just like with the mentioned models.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #152 on: November 01, 2017, 07:46:02 pm »
all fine thanks, I just want to play with the unit asap
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2017, 01:25:30 pm »
There are default Bode plot values within the scope UI but they can be altered to suit your needs. Eg. different sweep frequencies, Voltage etc.

So for example with SDG2122X 0-120MHz sweep and scope will do automatic switching to get high dynamic range also? No silly limitations, real deal?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #154 on: November 02, 2017, 02:32:44 pm »
There are default Bode plot values within the scope UI but they can be altered to suit your needs. Eg. different sweep frequencies, Voltage etc.

So for example with SDG2122X 0-120MHz sweep and scope will do automatic switching to get high dynamic range also? No silly limitations, real deal?
You'll have to wait a couple more weeks to see all the detail, but some little overview.

When you setup the swept range, the Bode plot horizontal scaling is adjusted to suit. Start and stop limits can be set. The screenshot in the OP is typical of what you see with the phase shift as the fainter trace.
For a large frequency range, the sweep can take some time to calculate and display all the trace but using the 2 ASIC's (1&3 or 2&4 ch's) speeds things up heaps. Yes you can select the channel the Bode plot is performed on/with.
Much depends on the filter you want to sweep as it will have a target frequency so you might first sweep it over a wide frequency range just to check and then narrow the sweep to what will better suit frequencies of interest.
It can take a while (5s) to get through to 1 MHz then it flies.

TBH I haven't gone looking for max frequencies it can manage as I have only 30 MHz available ATM.

When Dave gets one I imagine he'll have a good look at Bode plots to follow on from a vid he did on them some time back.

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From the Chinese website:
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #155 on: November 02, 2017, 02:37:56 pm »
Ok thanks, lets wait and see. Some video popped up not sure if it has been around before:



Edit: Can spot some little room for improvement with phase table:
- good practice is to right-align numbers with fix amount of decimal places and keep decimal point at const place, then can move ?Hz to table header
- phase should also have fix no of decimal places, not fix total of no. Currently seems that large phase will have accuracy artificially reduced

All fixed:
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #156 on: November 02, 2017, 06:20:46 pm »
Don't get too excited about bode plotting at high frequencies. A real network analyser has the ability to create a reference sweep and go from there for a very good reason!
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #157 on: November 02, 2017, 06:43:12 pm »
Don't get too excited about bode plotting at high frequencies. A real network analyser has the ability to create a reference sweep and go from there for a very good reason!

If I understand correctly this uses 2 channel generator method like I used with my DIY math based bode plotting experiments. Most differences not related to DUT should cancel out.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #158 on: November 02, 2017, 07:38:11 pm »
Don't get too excited about bode plotting at high frequencies. A real network analyser has the ability to create a reference sweep and go from there for a very good reason!

If I understand correctly this uses 2 channel generator method like I used with my DIY math based bode plotting experiments. Most differences not related to DUT should cancel out.
Yes, one scope channel is indeed the Ref channel and is not displayed at all until you leave Bode plot mode and return to normal scope mode. Ref is Ch2 in the image above.
Unless you have DUT BNC's, you need BNC to test clip leads (one for each side of DUT) and a BNC Tee to split the AWG signal sweep for DUT and scope Bode Ref input.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #159 on: November 02, 2017, 09:45:45 pm »
This all just asks for a thorough review. I'm curious what'll pop up.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #160 on: November 13, 2017, 01:35:13 am »
The second week of November is almost over, so we must be getting close to hearing more. If we're lucky, it might even be later this week :)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #161 on: November 17, 2017, 11:37:16 pm »
Spotted on Daves Twitter page:

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #162 on: November 17, 2017, 11:45:39 pm »
He mentioned receiving it in yesterday's video too. Why haven't you watched that yet? Well!?  ;D
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #163 on: November 18, 2017, 12:12:40 am »
He mentioned receiving it in yesterday's video too. Why haven't you watched that yet? Well!?  ;D
Been away, still catching up.  :-[
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #164 on: November 18, 2017, 01:22:17 am »
i want to see it run oscillofun or beams of light.

that seems like a good way to see how fast it plots in XY mode.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #165 on: November 18, 2017, 08:56:30 pm »
I hope to get the delivery this week or max next week.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #166 on: November 19, 2017, 11:08:35 am »
This Ukrainian site has it on preorder (with obligatory wrong picture...  :palm:  ), 200MHz version for about 560€ (+VAT):

http://gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html

English google translation:

https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #167 on: November 19, 2017, 11:30:47 am »
We have now pages without pricing for 100MHz and 200MHz plus all options.
It is not clear yet if the WiFi dongle is included or optional.
We should get pricing and add them to the website hopefully by tomorrow.
Units (on limited availability) hopefully on 1 or 2 weeks.
I try to add as many info we can as quick as possible  :-+
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #168 on: November 19, 2017, 09:59:32 pm »
This Ukrainian site has it on preorder (with obligatory wrong picture...  :palm:  ), 200MHz version for about 560€ (+VAT):

http://gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html

English google translation:

https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html
560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #169 on: November 20, 2017, 07:13:58 am »
This Ukrainian site has it on preorder (with obligatory wrong picture...  :palm:  ), 200MHz version for about 560€ (+VAT):

http://gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html

English google translation:

https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html
560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.

You compare prices with old Riglol DS1054Z and SDS1204X-E.  Do you really think you compare apple with apple.

200MHz vs 50MHz (hacked 100MHz)

500MSa/s all 4 channels on vs 250MSa/s
1GSa/s for two channels vs 500MSa/s for 2 channels on.
real full resolution 500uV/div vs 5mV/div real full resolution
Always background real time running waveform history buffer. vs nothing
Fast sequence acquisition (aka segmented memory acq)  vs some kind of slow frame recorder.
Full speed mask test vs crap slow mask test (with false statistics die to different speed with pass or fail state)
1M FFT  vs  16kt(?) FFT
Much more fast UI
Professional grade Sin(x)x interpolation vs total crap fake Sin(x)/x
True full current memory length and full sample resolution measurements vs measurements from highly decimated display data. (very extremely poor time resolution with slower time bases)

and more...

If practice and theory is not equal it tells that used application of theory  is wrong or the theory itself is wrong.
It is much easier to think an apple fall to the ground than to think that the earth and the apple will begin to move toward each other and collide.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #170 on: November 20, 2017, 07:26:26 am »

560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.
There will be the 100MHz version too (SDS1104X-E) which will be cheaper.
Tomorrow we will all know pricing  :popcorn:
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #171 on: November 20, 2017, 10:12:40 am »

560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.
There will be the 100MHz version too (SDS1104X-E) which will be cheaper.
Tomorrow we will all know pricing  :popcorn:

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #172 on: November 20, 2017, 10:27:53 am »
it seems right but some mistake on the description like the 16 channels (not really available)
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #173 on: November 20, 2017, 10:33:11 am »

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
It's the 100 MHz version and the seller is Siglent USA so maybe they know something the rest of don't.  :-//
Barebones unit with zero options though.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #174 on: November 20, 2017, 10:38:53 am »
16 channels option is not mentioned into the data sheet
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