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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #175 on: November 20, 2017, 10:59:37 am »

You compare prices with old Riglol DS1054Z and SDS1204X-E.  Do you really think you compare apple with apple.

200MHz vs 50MHz (hacked 100MHz)

500MSa/s all 4 channels on vs 250MSa/s
1GSa/s for two channels vs 500MSa/s for 2 channels on.
real full resolution 500uV/div vs 5mV/div real full resolution
Always background real time running waveform history buffer. vs nothing
Fast sequence acquisition (aka segmented memory acq)  vs some kind of slow frame recorder.
Full speed mask test vs crap slow mask test (with false statistics die to different speed with pass or fail state)
1M FFT  vs  16kt(?) FFT
Much more fast UI
Professional grade Sin(x)x interpolation vs total crap fake Sin(x)/x
True full current memory length and full sample resolution measurements vs measurements from highly decimated display data. (very extremely poor time resolution with slower time bases)

and more...
The DS1054Z has a proven track record and a community surrounding it. You can't just match it, you need to beat it convincingly to take the throne. Hacked or not doesn't matter, as everyone takes the 50 MHz DS1054Z base model to be a 100 MHz model with decoding anyway.

Maybe the 100 MHz Siglent SDS1204X-E can be hacked into 200 MHz. That would change things. Let's see what actual prices come up :)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #176 on: November 20, 2017, 11:41:16 am »
16 channels option is not mentioned into the data sheet

I agree with you about the MSO option, but even the Amazon product image shows the MSO traces in the image.. Which is rather strange!
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #177 on: November 20, 2017, 11:45:03 am »
Oh Wow! Now I'm confused :)
I like this kind of triller/ambiguos product launch!
Maybe the HDMI port will carry a MSO logic probe too?
« Last Edit: November 20, 2017, 11:46:40 am by simone.pignatti »
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #178 on: November 20, 2017, 11:46:25 am »
This Ukrainian site has it on preorder (with obligatory wrong picture...  :palm:  ), 200MHz version for about 560€ (+VAT):

http://gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html

English google translation:

https://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//gtest.com.ua/sds1204x-e.html
560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.

You compare prices with old Riglol DS1054Z and SDS1204X-E.  Do you really think you compare apple with apple.

200MHz vs 50MHz (hacked 100MHz)

500MSa/s all 4 channels on vs 250MSa/s
1GSa/s for two channels vs 500MSa/s for 2 channels on.
real full resolution 500uV/div vs 5mV/div real full resolution
Always background real time running waveform history buffer. vs nothing
Fast sequence acquisition (aka segmented memory acq)  vs some kind of slow frame recorder.
Full speed mask test vs crap slow mask test (with false statistics die to different speed with pass or fail state)
1M FFT  vs  16kt(?) FFT
Much more fast UI
Professional grade Sin(x)x interpolation vs total crap fake Sin(x)/x
True full current memory length and full sample resolution measurements vs measurements from highly decimated display data. (very extremely poor time resolution with slower time bases)

and more...
Yes, maybe a better specd scope with a higher price tag, but definitely not a killer
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #179 on: November 20, 2017, 11:48:52 am »

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
It's the 100 MHz version and the seller is Siglent USA so maybe they know something the rest of don't.  :-//
Barebones unit with zero options though.

So it doesn't come with the USB waveform generator that is pictured on the siglent chinese website? that's a shame  :(
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #180 on: November 20, 2017, 11:51:50 am »
No this is optional:
- hardare Siglent SAG1021
- software Siglent SDS1000X-E-FG
some description fro the Chinese data sheet:
SDS1000X-E accesses the 25MHz USB Arbitrary Waveform Generator module via USB Host. It integrates sine wave, square wave, triangle wave, pulse wave, noise, DC and 45 built-in Arbitrary Waveforms. Users can also edit arbitrary waveform by EasyWave PC software.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #181 on: November 20, 2017, 11:52:15 am »

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
It's the 100 MHz version and the seller is Siglent USA so maybe they know something the rest of don't.  :-//
Barebones unit with zero options though.
And with only 2 probes?????

 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #182 on: November 20, 2017, 11:54:10 am »
Oh Wow! Now I'm confused :)
I like this kind of triller/ambiguos product launch!
Maybe the HDMI port will carry a MSO logic probe too?
Are you serious?  Confusing / misleading the buyers is a good product launch strategy?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #183 on: November 20, 2017, 11:56:02 am »
The public launch date is not there yet, all those info can be slightly correct or wrong. Also sellers are not informed with official statements yet.
All will come tomorrow.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #184 on: November 20, 2017, 11:58:24 am »
Now that you already have a nice picture of the scope, take a guess what the small Sbus connector (next to the USB host port) is intended for? ;)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #185 on: November 20, 2017, 11:58:47 am »
560 euro plus VAT is nearing 700 euro, or maybe over 700 euro delivered. I'm not seeing a DS1054Z killer just yet.
You compare prices with old Riglol DS1054Z and SDS1204X-E.  Do you really think you compare apple with apple.

That wasn't the question. The question was: "DS1054Z killer?"

200MHz vs 50MHz (hacked 100MHz)

500MSa/s all 4 channels on vs 250MSa/s
1GSa/s for two channels vs 500MSa/s for 2 channels on.
real full resolution 500uV/div vs 5mV/div real full resolution
Always background real time running waveform history buffer. vs nothing
Fast sequence acquisition (aka segmented memory acq)  vs some kind of slow frame recorder.
Full speed mask test vs crap slow mask test (with false statistics die to different speed with pass or fail state)
1M FFT  vs  16kt(?) FFT
Much more fast UI
Professional grade Sin(x)x interpolation vs total crap fake Sin(x)/x
True full current memory length and full sample resolution measurements vs measurements from highly decimated display data. (very extremely poor time resolution with slower time bases)

and more...

If that's the case then why hasn't Keysight already killed the DS1054Z with their 1000 series?

Because:
a) That stuff is mostly meaningless to the average buyer
b) $300 more!

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #186 on: November 20, 2017, 12:02:45 pm »
Now that you already have a nice picture of the scope, take a guess what the small Sbus connector (next to the USB host port) is intended for? ;)
right, from the Chinese data sheet:

4-Channel Family Support, Siglent Logic Analyzer Interface

still not part number for the logic probe
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #187 on: November 20, 2017, 12:33:50 pm »
I think that 700 eur is too high for it, because the two channels version (and also the Rigol) costs about 400 eur. I hope in a lower price range
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #188 on: November 20, 2017, 08:01:18 pm »

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
It's the 100 MHz version and the seller is Siglent USA so maybe they know something the rest of don't.  :-//
Barebones unit with zero options though.
And with only 2 probes?????
Yeah, that can't be right.....maybe an error by those listing it.  :-//
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #189 on: November 20, 2017, 10:00:47 pm »
When does the NDA get lifted?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #190 on: November 20, 2017, 11:56:29 pm »
When does the NDA get lifted?
For those of us that are involved with beta testing, 4 years.
However once released the unit and 'release' firmware is in the public domain.
Our beta reports remain confidential, all fair enough IMO.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #191 on: November 21, 2017, 12:34:19 am »
For those of us that are involved with beta testing, 4 years.
However once released the unit and 'release' firmware is in the public domain.
Our beta reports remain confidential, all fair enough IMO.
I can understand that internal testing information remains confidential. However, I'm more interested in the date that reviewers and I guess testers are allowed to speak about their experiences with the released device.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #192 on: November 21, 2017, 01:06:17 am »
For those of us that are involved with beta testing, 4 years.
However once released the unit and 'release' firmware is in the public domain.
Our beta reports remain confidential, all fair enough IMO.
I can understand that internal testing information remains confidential. However, I'm more interested in the date that reviewers and I guess testers are allowed to speak about their experiences with the released device.
Of course.

Once it's officially released we can share any operational details as we're the ones that have had probably the most experience with usage.
It's basic functionality is identical to the 200 MHz SDS1202X-E although AFAIK beta testers and Dave have only the 100 MHz versions. The Search, Navigate, inbuilt browser (PC control) and Bode plot features are what stand it apart from the 2 ch X-E.

Whoever does reviews need have some experience with advanced features to properly demonstrate what these units can do. They're quite a step up from the 2 ch X-E's.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #193 on: November 21, 2017, 03:55:00 am »
I am watching this with keen interest. I have been really focused on electronics as a hobby for the last year, though I have dabbled in it most of my life (64). I have a couple old Teks (475 & 2225), but I really wanted to  play with a digital with its ability hold and capture signals, particularly slow ones. And I like scopes :). Almost bought a 1054Z but decided instead on a new Analog Discovery 2. I really like it, particularly as I am interested learning digital logic too. It is really a Swiss Army Knife electronics learning tool, but also I saw some changes coming, maybe, in the $4-500 4 channel scope market. This Siglent seems like the first salvo, and having the AD2 I am no longer rushed for a digital scope. It would be great to see 2 or 3 manufactures battle it out :). Dave
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #194 on: November 21, 2017, 04:01:14 am »
I am watching this with keen interest. I have been really focused on electronics as a hobby for the last year, though I have dabbled in it most of my life (64). I have a couple old Teks (475 & 2225), but I really wanted to  play with a digital with its ability hold and capture signals, particularly slow ones. And I like scopes :). Almost bought a 1054Z but decided instead on a new Analog Discovery 2. I really like it, particularly as I am interested learning digital logic too. It is really a Swiss Army Knife electronics learning tool, but also I saw some changes coming, maybe, in the $4-500 4 channel scope market. This Siglent seems like the first salvo, and having the AD2 I am no longer rushed for a digital scope. It would be great to see 2 or 3 manufactures battle it out :). Dave
I'm very keen to see the answer of Rigol. Are they going to cash in their reputation, or are they going toe to toe with Siglent for the budget king title? I guess it at least in part depends on the pricing Siglent decides upon. The ball is in Siglent's court now.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #195 on: November 21, 2017, 04:47:41 am »
When does the NDA get lifted?

Launch is 26th Nov.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #196 on: November 21, 2017, 01:13:27 pm »

https://smile.amazon.com/Siglent-Technologies-SDS1104X-Super-Phosphor-Oscilloscope/dp/B0771N1ZF9/

found this on amazon, is this the correct model and price?
It's the 100 MHz version and the seller is Siglent USA so maybe they know something the rest of don't.  :-//
Barebones unit with zero options though.
And with only 2 probes?????


Siglent has made one data sheet only for both 2 and 4 channels.
The oscilloscope will come with one probe per channel so 2 or 4.
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #197 on: November 21, 2017, 06:32:53 pm »
They might have the options wrong, the number of probes wrong, and the width and height mixed up, but at least they've weighed it very accurately.  >:D
CML+  That took much longer than I thought it would.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #198 on: November 21, 2017, 06:34:03 pm »
ahahah nice one!
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Re: Siglent SDS1204X-E released for domestic markets in China
« Reply #199 on: November 21, 2017, 07:20:31 pm »
This is the full option list:

SDS1000X-E-FG: Software For SAG1021 and Siglent standalone AWG control
SAG1021: HW 25 MHz Function/Arbitrary Waveform Generator

SDS1000X-E-16LA: MSO function software for SDS1000X-E oscilloscope, 16 channel, 500 MSa/s, 14 Mpts
SLA1016: MSO function hardware for SDS1000X-E oscilloscope, 16 channel, 500 MSa/s, 14 Mpts

SDS1000X-E-WIFI: Software wireless communication function; 802.11b/g/n-WPA-PSK
TL-WN725N: Hardware wireless communication function; 802.11b/g/n-WPA-PSK

No retail pricing as yet.
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